Why Women Prefer Betas

[Emerald]

10 hours ago, koops said:

LOOL

Most women would say publicly what is socially acceptable. What makes them look good.

If the men believing this knew with which kind of dudes those girls hooked up...

 

Or maybe there are +30 women (tired of alphas) and really prefer that option, because the associate the jacked guy with just a ONS.

Or they realize they cant get a guy like that.
 

Is like men saying they prefer a regular chick in stead of a model because models are dumb.

The fox and the grapes kind of rationalization.

I'm trying to communicate to you something about what women are attracted to about men.

It isn't about settling for the "beta" guy. It's about PREFERRING the "beta" guy.

This is where the disconnect comes from because men tend to find super ripped guys more attractive but women tend to find moderately strong guys more attractive that have a more fatherly appearance.

[Schizophonia]

If I was ugly or had mental problems or simply not had pleasant vibe for some reasons, these are things that can be corrected. I'm not against cosmetic surgery, if you're really ugly you can spend a few thousand at worst tens of thousands of euros (that's the price of a new car, what is that in a lifetime for an investment that will potentially change your life), less outside the West, to become much more attractive.

[Emerald]

10 hours ago, Raze said:

Title seems a bit misleading. Beta vs Alpha isn’t necessarily the same as ripped vs non-ripped.

I read some comments from women about that pic and it seemed a lot of it was because his face looked older due to lighting.

The guy on the left just has a sexier looking body. And his face looks better with some more meat on it.

[Schizophonia]

9 minutes ago, Emerald said:

The guy on the left just has a sexier looking body. And his face looks better with some more meat on it.

I’ve heard several time women saying that more body fat is cool for hugs.

 

It’s time to eat more i think 

Edited June 8 by Schizophonia

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Jannes said:

In these studies the women said they would rather hook up with a masculine guy then with a more feminine guy. This is not hidden. 

HG puts this all through his relationship filter bias. Yes if you only want a relationship feminine features arent that bad for it, but if you want ONS these feminine features dont serve you as well. 

But women themselves tend to have a relationship bias.

Most women don't tend to value short-term hookups or get a lot out of them. And many women aren't even interested in short-term hook-ups as the emotional stimulation is low and the risk is high.

So, they're not as intrigued by super Masculine guys who might have more of a tendency to want to hit and run.

Perhaps women who are more promiscuous and enjoy one-night stands might possibly prefer hyper-Masculine guys though for one-night stands. That would be something that would be of value to study.

Like, for me, I've had a few one-night stands in the past. But they were pretty boring compared to the sex with a guy who I'm really interested in that I'm in a longterm relationship with.

And my attractions and fantasies are geared towards averagely Masculine guys like 100% of the time.

[Emerald]

11 hours ago, koops said:

Put the 2 versions of that guy on tinder/speed dating/festival/bars and lets see.

Actions would speak louder than words.

I wish we could test it out because you would definitely be surprised at what women REALLY respond to.

[Emerald]

5 hours ago, Jannes said:

 

Yes... he's definitely an attractive man.

Men are attractive when they have a mixture of hard and soft qualities because you can see his inner world reflected in his face and tender intimate moments are possible.

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, vinc3nc said:

Women prefer the left one, right?

Not the same guy. But yes, I find the guy on the left more attractive than the guy on the right... body-wise and face-wise.

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

They prefer betas to have relationships. (Provider)

Secretly, she wants to be fuck*d by a rough masculine barbarian.

They choose a beta for security. 

No... there really is a PREFERENCE for the "betas".

And women just tend to respond better to guys with a strong but not ripped look.

Bearing in mind, these are very young women so they're probably going to like the lean look... as that's very laddish and might resemble their male peers more.

So, if they were a bit older, they might tend to prefer the dad bod. I personally prefer the dad bod... but would have preferred the leaner body as a younger woman.

But notice how very few women choose the ripped body.

 

[Emerald]

19 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I’ve heard several time women saying that more body fat is cool for hugs.

It’s time to eat more i think 

I am thinking about it in terms of how it would be to be physical with him (cuddling and otherwise) when making that consideration.

And the fleshiness is more inviting than the hardness. It just feels like you can physically connect more if a guy has a layer of fat over the muscle.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Awful deal for men. 

Why? It's a lot more forgiving than what men tend to believe women want.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

Men tend to want to be way more ripped than is actually attractive and women want to be way thinner than is actually attractive. 

Exactly. It's 100% like that.

I remember, when I was 13 or 14, I thought that boys found the skinniest girls attractive. And I would be really jealous of girls I went to school with who were rail-thin.

And this was the early 2000s, so all of the pop stars and actress were SUPER skinny.

Mind you, I was only like 125 lbs at the time, which is smack in the middle of the range of normal weight for my height. But I was jealous of girls who were like 90-100 lbs.

So, I felt a lot of pressure to get as skinny as possible.

But then, I heard a lot of boys in my grade saying they liked a bit of meat on the bones and curves. And I saw a survey in some magazine where most guys hadn't rated the skinniest woman as the most attractive.

So, knowing this enabled me to start leaning into my weight and appreciating my body type.

Edited June 8 by Emerald

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

I'm sure there are total sweethearts that look like Arnold Swartzenegger... and terrible guys that look like Adam Sandler.

Distinguishing alpha vs beta by physical appearance isn't so good. It's more about attitude and behavior.

Alpha personality and behavior treats women more as disposable objects. The stereotypical nice guy is the best example. The alpha is the jock who cheats on his gf because he can.

Every player tries to be alpha because it gets him a rotation of girls and he never commits to any of them. A beta cannot pull that off.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[hoodrow trillson]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Distinguishing alpha vs beta by physical appearance isn't so good. It's more about attitude and behavior.

Alpha personality and behavior treats women more as disposable objects. The stereotypical nice guy is the best. The alpha is the jock who cheats on his gf because he can.

Every player tries to be alpha because it gets him a rotation of girls and he never commits to any of them.

Have you written about the insight you had a while ago about how incredibly important looks are for attraction?  You mentioned this but idk if you ever followed up.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Every player tries to be alpha because it gets him a rotation of girls and he never commits to any of them.

What all self actualization work is leading us towards :

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

You mentioned this but idk if you ever followed up.

I have not.

[Atb210201]

Of course, women would prefer someone who is not a jerk to them.

That's common sense.

If Alphas are jerks to them and betas are not, then of course they prefer betas.

But I don't really like these alpha and beta terms at all. I think they will just mislead everyone in the way they are being presented in today's world.

Bottom line is women don't prefer jerks that's for sure; And it's crazy to even think that they do; I'm guilty of that myself too so it is possible to think that for some time and it's okay life will teach us.

Plus every person is different whether he or she is a man or woman so we can't generalise things that accurately.

Edited June 8 by Atb210201

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Distinguishing alpha vs beta by physical appearance isn't so good. It's more about attitude and behavior.

Alpha personality and behavior treats women more as disposable objects. The stereotypical nice guy is the best example. The alpha is the jock who cheats on his gf because he can.

Every player tries to be alpha because it gets him a rotation of girls and he never commits to any of them. A beta cannot pull that off.

I'm just using the language that Dr. K is using.

I know that alpha and beta isn't primarily about physical appearance.

But many men believe they have to be these hyper-Masculine alpha-looking guys who are ripped with a 6-pack to have women interested in them. 

It seems that lots of young men have really internalized the notion that women are preferring the most Masculine guys... and the more Masculine the better. But too much Masculinity tends to decrease the attractiveness of a man in the eyes of most women.

And that just isn't the case because very few women prefer the appearance of hyper-Masculine guys... and prefer men with more averagely strong or lean body-types. And also women tend to prefer a mixture of Masculine and Feminine features on a man.

Also, "alpha"/player guys don't even give off appealing vibes.... in my opinion. They usually give off sleazy used car salesman vibes... and most women learn this by high school.

I've noticed that it's mostly women who have some self-esteem issues that go for them... probably because it mirrors some childhood abandonment or insecure attachment dynamic and makes these men attractive to them.

[Jannes]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

But women themselves tend to have a relationship bias.

Most women don't tend to value short-term hookups or get a lot out of them. And many women aren't even interested in short-term hook-ups as the emotional stimulation is low and the risk is high.

So, they're not as intrigued by super Masculine guys who might have more of a tendency to want to hit and run.

Perhaps women who are more promiscuous and enjoy one-night stands might possibly prefer hyper-Masculine guys though for one-night stands. That would be something that would be of value to study.

Like, for me, I've had a few one-night stands in the past. But they were pretty boring compared to the sex with a guy who I'm really interested in that I'm in a longterm relationship with.

And my attractions and fantasies are geared towards averagely Masculine guys like 100% of the time.

Thats a good point.

But here is the thing. Many lets call them betas for this conversation arent betas by choice, they are betas because they cant be alphas. While an alpha could easily become a beta if he wanted to. An alpha has real power. A complete beta would maybe get in a relationship for sacrificing his power. Obviously I am speaking in extremes to make a point. 

So complementing a men for being formed comfortably for a girl is even a bit of an insult to a men as you dont speak to a source of strength in him but a source of weakness..

It seems like I am actually more of a relationship kind of guy but I still try to integrate my alpha side.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Emerald said:

and most women learn this by high school.

Ahahahahahahaha.... 

Vylana and Alana have joined the chat.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura