Is trying and getting into alcohol a wise decision ?

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

10 hours ago, Majed said:

Mfs that say alcohol and drugs can destroy your health, dude your health is there to be destroyed like you're going to die anyway, why the fuck do you need your health if it isn't to enjoy life ?

You'll keep thinking that until you start to suffer from the consequences of these poor choices, mantaining health is not about increasing the enjoyment of life, but rather prevention of tremendious future suffering. Ofc, people can overdo it with their caution and worry about health, there are sligjtly unhealthy lifestyles you can have that make a very little, or only a marginal difference in terms of your future health, compared to a "perfect" (if it exists) lifestyle - but drinking alcohol and taking crystal meth do not belong to that category

[Majed]

@NewKidOnTheBlock Wise words. 

[something_else]

7 hours ago, MarkKol said:

Aren't you embarrassed or ashamed of yourself that you have to use drugs to socialize? 

This is you ⬇️

I don’t need alcohol to socialise anymore because I drank alcohol and used it to gain massive social experience, despite being very socially anxious. Although I do still enjoy it occasionally if I want a really fun night. 

Alcohol basically cured my social anxiety by giving me the confidence to go and find out that socialising is actually really fun and not something to be scared of.

I have so many crazy experiences, stories, and friends that I just would not have if I didn’t drink. These experiences would actually be worth sacrificing 10 years off the end of my life for me, although I don’t think I’ve actually drank enough to do that.

[Basman]

I had a phase where I drank too much and it lead to a lot of embarrassing and regrettable moments. Definitely keep it low key if you are going to drink and drink slowly. Don't think alcohol gives you a personality and don't glorify it. Only lame drunk girls do that.

[Inliytened1]

@Majed i understand the temptation.  It's your life.  But there's other ways of burning through karma that don't harm the physical body.  Your health is the only thing you really have.  When you lose that nothing else matters.  You may be able to delve into alcohol and escape with your health but just remember that when you play with fire you put it all on the line.  I don't respect you for being crazy wild.  That may have been cool back when I was 20.  But I would respect you more for being cautious. But it's your life and you can burn through it as you please.  Remember moderation in anything is key.  Alcohol in excess leads to one of three things

 Jail or legal problems.

Health problems. 

Death. 

Health is all you have in the end.  

It's not worth risking that.  Once that's gone you're done.

 

Edited June 8 by Inliytened1

[Never_give_up]

If I was in your position I wouldn't touch any of these things. Maybe a little alcohol is not bad but personally I wouldn't drink even alcohol. 

I am addicted to food and internet and it's really difficult to overcome addictions. It would be better if I hadn't start using them more than I should, cause now I can't break free from them. 

If you ever addicted to things remember 1)will power and self control are finite 2)you need to change your enviroment so you don't have these things in easy access or at any access at all, it should be difficult to do your addiction not easy 3)you need purpose (that's the one that is difficult for me).

If you have a purpose you get dopamine naturally, you won't need any substance. 

[Majed]

@Inliytened1 Honestly i also want to take girls on dates at bars, and you know if you're there you have to drink. 

[Breakingthewall]

@Majed 

I would definitely do it, it attracts you, it's part of human culture, it's fun, you have to try it sometime.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Majed said:

@Inliytened1 Honestly i also want to take girls on dates at bars, and you know if you're there you have to drink. 

@Majed it can be done without it.  If you wanna drink casually that's fine but you said explore it.  That to me says you wanna get drunk.

 

[zazen]

2 hours ago, Majed said:

@Inliytened1 Honestly i also want to take girls on dates at bars, and you know if you're there you have to drink. 

It can be good to get a frame of reference to what it feels like to be socially loose - which then makes it easier to access that state. But the key is to not let it become a crutch to access that same state of looseness and confidence.

Also can help bond with people as they feel your both becoming “vulnerable” together by having a drink. If it’s just the other person drinking and you’ve only just met them they may feel weird about it - unless you have the confidence and frame to make it a nothingburger.

But alcohol sucks for health and if you have an addictive personality then it’s not worth even touching. There are work arounds if you don’t want to feel awkward at a bar without a drink - just get sparkling water/club soda with lime and it looks like a gin and tonic. You can also tell your date your already feeling good / buzzed from something else and don’t wanna ruin it with a drink - zynns, weed, or say you took a saffron supplement which is known to help with mood and vibes. Just has to be done confidently.

 

[kbone]

On 6/6/2025 at 3:11 PM, Majed said:

I sort of find the whole alcohol culture very attractive, and i want to enjoy it. I never tried alcohol before, and in my muslim family it is kinda taboo. However i don't want to die ignorant. I know there are health risks, however Leo said in his episode burning though karma, to exhaust material desires through indulging in them so that they get out of our system. I'm also open to trying the really hardcore drugs like cocaine, crystal meth, heroin, just out of curiosity, however i don't know if i will ever do it, because it can be really risky and dangerous. However alcohol is more mainstream, and accepted, should i try it ?

What country do you live in, if you don't mind my asking?  No problem if you prefer not to divulge. Just curious about the kinds of risks you are alluding to. No one 'needs' to drink alcohol, though I'm hardly one to say one should/shouldn't try. You're a big boy.

Scientifically, 1-2 drinks has been shown to lower one's affective filter, but if one relies on it for such measures and/or thinks more is merrier, it will likely cause more problems than it's worth. Know when to say when, but most alcoholics don't when that is, hehe.

Plus, I wonder about the alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) along with aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) that are sometimes lacking in the DNA in certain areas of Asia, which affect the body's ability to metabolize alcohol.

[Realms of Wonder]

On 6/6/2025 at 3:11 PM, Majed said:

I sort of find the whole alcohol culture very attractive, and i want to enjoy it. I never tried alcohol before, and in my muslim family it is kinda taboo. However i don't want to die ignorant. I know there are health risks, however Leo said in his episode burning though karma, to exhaust material desires through indulging in them so that they get out of our system. I'm also open to trying the really hardcore drugs like cocaine, crystal meth, heroin, just out of curiosity, however i don't know if i will ever do it, because it can be really risky and dangerous. However alcohol is more mainstream, and accepted, should i try it ?

Ask yourself. You're the highest authority for your life.

Do you want to willingly add a crutch to your life?
Do you want to become addicted to something that will in the long run make your life harder and worse?

Think about it man. 

[oldhandle]

Absolutely do not get into drinking if you already do not drink. 

[Chris_at_the_ridge]

If you want to EXPLORE drugs, then that's exploration.

If you want to NUMB yourself with drugs, because life sucks, that's not something I would really support anyone doing.

Maybe once or twice to drastically shake up the energy of someone's life to provide some activation energy to make a giant life change. But generally using drugs because life sucks, hoping the drugs will save them, simply doesn't work. 

I relate with your wanting to try drugs esp the harder ones. I've done plenty of different pills and psychedelics as a teen and remember wanting to experience meth, crack, and shooting up stuff like heroin, etc eventually. 

But enough drug experience and adventures of other kinds, experience with women, etc, and the desire to explore hard drugs faded because I could explore other things.

Pills can be fun to do , and if you want to make it seem more radical you can crush it up and snort them (Google it first, some pills aren't safe to snort). woohoo. snort a Xanax at a party and go have sex with a girl. 

But it's fine to not do that. You can be adventurous in a variety of ways to "burn that karma", to satisfy that desire for adventure and radicalness and exploration.

I wanted and still do explore life, and drugs are a very interesting area of exploration in life. 

But once you do drugs enough, you realize the limitation of continuing and going into harder ones. 

I recommend working a lot saving money then going traveling in a very cheap part of the world. southeast Asia for example. This will provide you with much higher doses of exploration, and you can drink alcohol and socialize and meet new women. and it will actually benefit you tremendously in all ways - doing drugs/alcohol and going to bars for women doesn't directly benefit you beyond that small experience. Travel internationally for extended time, staying in hostels, adventuring, this will change the course of your life and you will look back fondly oon this up until your deathbed.

 

Also as you become more embodied, and can experience more sensation and energy in your body, non-psychedelic drugs seem more one-dimensional. Not as rewarding. As I became more embodied, I could see the high of drugs felt much less good than when I was less embodied, less conscious. They cause massive dumps of specific neurotransmitters in a self-abusive sort of way.  Simillar to basic sex, chasing ejaculation.

As we explore becoming more aware, more embodied, more sensitive physically and emotionally, we are able to explore ourselves and reality much more and drugs are less rewarding if we try them. We may even dislike the experience because typically they drag us down.

 

You want to explore? You can use alcohol to open up your social exploration abilities, and then you can drop the alcohol and continue expanding those abilities without it. Clean.

You want to explore? Explore as many aspects of life as you can. Travel internationally. Hitchhike. Sleep outside. Eat food from a dumpster. GO to Thailand and pay for sex. Go to Thailand and buy and smoke weed inside a dispensary. Meet people in hostels in different countries. Learn tantra. Learn breathwork. Go to workshops. Explore in a wide variety of ways. Do free diving. Get scuba certified. Go skydiving. Drugs are a narrow slice of life and if you explore life in many ways you very well may find the interest in trying harder drugs fades.

Learn to dance. Now thats a fantastic one for meeting women. WAY better than interacting with women via alcohol and bars. No contest. 

Going to dancing classes is one of the best things a person could possibly do for their social/dating life.

Edited June 19 by Chris_at_the_ridge