What are your current feelings about Solipsism?

[Yeah Yeah]

@PurpleTree well your response for me reads as if you do experience and perceive like I am, and it reads as if you've rolled this idea many times in your own solipsistic bubble, and well I have my own experience I'm literally telling you this now I do have my own experience, and so I trust you do too, you sound it, so that is solipsism myth-busted for me at least.

Edited June 1 by Yeah Yeah

[Oppositionless]

3 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

@PurpleTree well I assume your response for me reads as if you do have a solidified experience and you've rolled this idea many times in your own solipsistic bubble, and well I have my own experience I'm literally telling you this now I do have my own experience, and so I trust you do too, you sound it, so that is solipsism myth-busted for me at least.

Solipsism is basically impossible to argue against but it's also a completely absurd position if it's not simply an admission of not knowing beyond the self .

Edited June 1 by Oppositionless

[Yeah Yeah]

@Oppositionless so you literally believe you are currently dreaming me ... Somehow, with some divine imagination you can't quite work out, like you are going to theorize me at this moment typing to you as being a figment of your personalised centre of imagination? I don't think so, did your imagination make me want to add a 🎹 emoji? I highly doubt it, I doubt you've thought of pianos any time recently.

Edited June 1 by Yeah Yeah

[Oppositionless]

2 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

@Oppositionless so you literally believe you are currently dreaming me ... Somehow, with some divine imagination you can't quite work out, like you are going to theorize me at this moment typing to you is your own figment of imagination? I don't think so, did your imagination make me want to add a 🎹 emoji? I highly doubt it, I doubt you've thought of pianos any time recently 

I said the exact opposite of that 😶‍🌫️.

[Yeah Yeah]

@Oppositionless you edited your message three minutes ago bro don't gaslight me - you are saying solipsism is impossible to argue against - and that's what I'm doing, arguing against it.

[Carl-Richard]

This forum is going through a phase now 😂

[Carl-Richard]

People think solipsism is such a hard pill to swallow (I'm not a solipsist btw), but I think people underestimate the harrowing reality of pure non-doership. But people never talk about that because it's harder to fake.

Edited June 1 by Carl-Richard

[Yeah Yeah]

@Carl-Richard I have to ask, so you take on the solipsist view? I find it interesting say for example you do ... Yet you talk to other people ... And I'm at this moment typing to you and knowing I'm me alive experiencing probably just as you are, can't there only be one solipsist? So I know I have my own experience bro, so if you believe in solipsism then technically from that lens you are lying even if you believe it because I'm actually the true solipsist - but you'll argue surely that you are the real experience ... But how does that not simply translated that we are both aware having our own experiences? So solipsism isn't true?

Edited June 1 by Yeah Yeah

[Oppositionless]

1 hour ago, Yeah Yeah said:

@Oppositionless you edited your message three minutes ago bro don't gaslight me - you are saying solipsism is impossible to argue against - and that's what I'm doing, arguing against it.

The solipsist can just respond with "but my mind is infinite therefore solipsism."

I just don't think it can be debunked using logic and that's why Faith is important.

 

edit:

on second thought you can argue against solipsism.

Solipsism is a limitation on God. God is without limits, therefore solipsism is untrue .

Edited June 1 by Oppositionless

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Yeah Yeah said:

@Carl-Richard I have to ask, so you take on the solipsist view? I find it interesting say for example you do ... Yet you talk to other people ... And I'm at this moment typing to you and knowing I'm me alive experiencing probably just as you are, can't there only be one solipsist? So I know I have my own experience bro, so if you believe in solipsism then technically from that lens you are lying even if you believe it because I'm actually the true solipsist - but you'll argue surely that you are the real experience ... But how does that not simply translated that we are both aware having our own experiences? So solipsism isn't true?

I'm not a solipsist.

[Salvijus]

5 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Solipsism is a limitation on God. God is without limits, therefore solipsism is untrue .

That's a good argument. Solipsism limits God to one perspective in which God is having a taste of himself. As if God wouldn't be capable of having infinite perspectives of himself all at once. Even your your tongue has more taste buds than one. God is not shy when it comes to experiencing itself. He will use infinite angels to know himself rather than just one. 

Edited June 1 by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

People think solipsism is such a hard pill to swallow (I'm not a solipsist btw), but I think people underestimate the harrowing reality of pure non-doership. But people never talk about that because it's harder to fake.

Elaborate please.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

My current feelings?

The Map

is not

the Territory.

[krazzer]

I have been very self-centred most of my life, so the idea of solipsism was very easy to accept for my ego, and the ego even liked it and ran with it.

But from the standpoint of the absolute, there is a knowing that this is how it is, and it makes it easier to not take life to seriously, which is what the ego wants.

[Breakingthewall]

Solipists are obsessed with convincing non-existent people that only they exist. It's a little strange.

[theleelajoker]

[Carl-Richard]

12 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Elaborate please.

When you see through the illusion of self, you see through the illusion of being in control of anything. Even your bodily movements, your speech, your next action, your plans, your wants, desires, future. Everything is in the hands of God and there is nothing for you to do but observe and channel the will of God. And the moment you do not channel the will of God, you feel immense pain and resistance (or you inflict this pain and resistance on yourself deliberately to maintain the illusion that you are a separate self in control of anything, because giving up the sense of being control is like giving up your life which is absolutely not a joke).

Edited June 1 by Carl-Richard

[Oppositionless]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Solipists are obsessed with convincing non-existent people that only they exist. It's a little strange.

If people want to go around believing that their loved ones are lifeless phantoms then they can enjoy , I choose sanity.

[PurpleTree]

18 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

When you see through the illusion of self, you see through the illusion of being in control of anything. Even your bodily movements, your speech, your next action, your plans, your wants, desires, future. Everything is in the hands of God and there is nothing for you to do but observe and channel the will of God. And the moment you do not channel the will of God, you feel immense pain and resistance (or you inflict this pain and resistance on yourself deliberately to maintain the illusion that you are a separate self in control of anything, because giving up the sense of being control is like giving up your life which is absolutely not a joke).

Yea i mostly agree but you compared it to solipsism. As why solipsism is such a hard pill to swallow. But if people just think solipsism isn’t true isn’t necessarily because it’s a hard pill to swallow. Just no resonance.

Like for me i always thought everything is about me. In a negative way too. Like others feeling are because of me i am responsible for everything so it’s like a huge weight on my shoulders. Already close to solipsism. I think that’s why i resonate a lot with „no self“ because it feels very freeing to not be responsible for anything.

[Xonas Pitfall]

solipsism

• The view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.
• "Solipsism is an idealist thesis because ‘Only my mind exists’ entails ‘Only minds exist’"

If you accept Oneness, God, Infinity, or Singularity, then by extension, you're also accepting the idea of a Singular Self - one consciousness, one being. You can call it the Self, or "Higher Self", or "No-Self" (if you're defining self in terms of the ego). Either way, it's just a matter of preference and language. Whether you’re dissolving the ego into the whole or naming the whole as the true Self, the essence remains the same. It’s all one, and how you label it depends on your point of view. Solipsism is true.

• The absence of ego is the absence of selfishness, "No-Self" or Selflessness - and in that absence, what remains is love. So you can just as easily call it Love instead of Self.
• The absence of bias and limitations reveals purity, truth, and realness - so you could also call it Truth or Reality instead of Self.

All of it points to the same essence. Solipsism is just one philosophy for describing it. Ultimately, it’s infinity expressing itself in different terms!