Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Breakingthewall]

 

Many contemporary spiritual movements repeat affirmations like:
“Reality is consciousness. You are consciousness. You are immortal. You are love.”

At first glance, they may seem profound, but a simple logical analysis reveals that they are nothing more than modern forms of emotional religion, structures of comfort disguised as revelation.

what is consciousness outside of a form that perceives? Consciousness is relationship, not substance. “Consciousness” cannot exist as an absolute background. That would be just another subtle form of identification. In truth, outside of a relational framework, “consciousness” means nothing. Conciousness is just another manifestation of the Reality, that has infinite manifestations, all of them infinite. Difficult to swallow for a being that is "conscious"? Could be.

Are you consciousness?
This is not the dissolution of the self, but its transformation into a “higher” entity. The ego becomes “I-consciousness,” spiritualized. But it remains a center, an identity, an anchor point.
There is no openness here, only a new form of limitation. Consciouscentric after egocentric. 

Are you immortal?
The need for permanence is still at play. But true openness to the infinite requires letting go of that need, not disguising it.
All form is impermanent, even spiritual form. The real thing comes when you die, when you renounce to yourself, to your understanding and your permanence. 

Are you love?
Maybe, but not in the emotional sense. The love spoken of here is not an energy, not a feeling.
It is simply the experience of wholeness that arises when limits are broken.
Love is not a quality, it is the disappearance of lack, of the fragmentation that implies being a human. 
Reality loves itself in its absolute expansion, because there are no limits. That all. 

Real spirituality only points to the fact that everything that appears, is.
And when the limits break, there is no one who wants anything, and nothing that is missing.
It is the total, the unlimited. It's what arises in absence of limits. Any positive description is false, only negative description is possible: unlimited. 
 

Edited May 29 by Breakingthewall

[Someone here]

Not that I've actually done it myself..but as Leo have said it requires insanely high levels of consciousness to grasp that the entire universe exists within your consciousness.  

I will give a simple exercise..Notice that (supposedly ) you see through your eyes .what do you see ? You see other humans with eyes. You then assume naively and innocently " well..these humans also see me with their eyes just as I see them ". But actually the only way to prove this is to look through their eyes and see the world through their eyes .which is impossible.  Then imagine you become so close to them as if you are making out with them..try to look deep in their eyes.. you will see your own reflection inside their eyeballs .then let's imagine you actually succeeded in merging with them..then you will see through their eyes via YOUR OWN perception. So even that won't cut it.  Meaning even if you actually were able to merge your consciousness with another human you will still only see through your own consciousness not an "other" consciousness. 

Another thing is by definition you are "imagining " others (there is honestly no better word than imagining).  

What you say is : that human over there is also conscious just like me.

-But that's something you are imagining. 

Then you say : yes I'm imagining him/her but they still have perception just like me outside my imagination .

-Yeah that's what you are imagining. 

"Yes I'm imagining them but of course outside my imagination they exist "

-again Yeah that's what you imagine. You imagine them and then you imagine that you are not imagining them but that they are real. This is the story that you tell yourself ..isn't it ?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Yes I'm imagining them but of course outside my imagination they exist "

-again Yeah that's what you imagine. You imagine them and then you imagine that you are not imagining them but that they are real. This is the story that you tell yourself ..isn't it ?

You could also imagine that you, as a god, are creating them in every detail with the sole purpose of maintaining the narrative of this realistic dream. Only what you're looking at really appears, like a set, but you do this in god mode, which is in the background. That is, you're creating this as a computer engineer, but you're blocking out that memory because being alone as a god seems boring to you. So you do this complicated choreography to make your infinite stay more interesting. 

But why imagining so complicated history when you could imagine the one simpler: the others appear because they are there walking and you are perceiving them as reality perceiving itself in endless dimensions 

The only answer would be: because I had that realization taking an hallucinogen drug. Then what you realize taking a drug is real and what you realize sober is false. This assessment could be at least discussed imo

[Someone here]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could also imagine that you, as a god, are creating them in every detail with the sole purpose of maintaining the narrative of this realistic dream. Only what you're looking at really appears, like a set, but you do this in god mode, which is in the background. That is, you're creating this as a computer engineer, but you're blocking out that memory because being alone as a god seems boring to you. So you do this complicated choreography to make your infinite stay more interesting. 

That could be very likely what's happening. In the end everyone and everything are one in the substance .all of reality is made of one substance. You could call it God or nothingness or love or being etc..I don't care .

There is an underpinning unity of all of creation. Isn't that obvious? People who raise their consciousness as Leo said by taking psychedelics start to experience the boundaries between objects dissolving ..and the boundaries between themselves and the world dissolving..and more importantly the boundaries between themselves and "others " dissolving.  Isn't It obvious that I'm you either in a past or future incarnation and that you are talking to yourself right now ? Why do you think Jesus taught to love your enemies?  Isn't it because your enemy is you ?

 

[Schizophonia]

47 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

narrative

Survivorship bias; we put this deduction precisely because we are in a kind of scenario somewhere in infinity who allows it.

And actually with contemplation you hit here and there narrative (and time, in general) is an illusion.

Like the fact of becoming a "human" from nowhere, then living is a giant ball who turns around another giant ball on fire etcetc, any of this doesn't makes sense in the absolute.

It seems human ego is designed to be particularly tenacious and prevent the manifestation of too unknown events, than maintain the illusion of a narrative.

Edited May 29 by Schizophonia

[Loveeee]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Matter is made by energy and energy is made by relationship between fields. What is relationship between fields? 

Or maybe you don't believe in science and you prefer simplify everything like: it's a dream. What is a dream? 

 

[r0ckyreed]

@Leo Gura On a post earlier this week, a forum member said something along the lines of “if I am sitting on a chest with a million dollars inside, that million dollars exists regardless if I’m aware of it.” And you seemed to agree with that. I also remember asking you about this, and you said that God hides things from itself. For instance, your toilet exists even though I’m not aware of it. But your toilet and chest with gold is still mind-dependent. I am dreaming that it exists right now, and I could verify it by being conscious of it directly.

I’m referring to this thread: 

It seems like you are saying that reality exists independently of the mind when you imply that an elephant is an elephant even if my mind doesn’t recognize it as such. This seems to suggest that my mind alone isn’t constructing reality because the elephant is truth even if I don’t recognize it. And you seemed to agree with Koops that something exists inside the chest even though I’m not aware of it. It seems to imply that something exists independently of consciousness. However, you cannot prove that a million dollars or an elephant exist independently of perception because an elephant, the chest, and the imaginary million dollars is your consciousness.

Edited May 29 by r0ckyreed

[Carl-Richard]

15 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

@Leo Gura On a post earlier this week, a forum member said something along the lines of “if I am sitting on a chest with a million dollars inside, that million dollars exists regardless if I’m aware of it.” And you seemed to agree with that.

Don't make the mistake of quoting something Leo has said in the past 😛:

 

On 11.10.2019 at 0:17 AM, Leo Gura said:

First of all, solipsism is a conceptual scheme, a philosophical system. This is very different from actuality. In this sense solipsism is a fantasy whereas nonduality is actuality. Map vs territory. This is a HUGE difference. Don't underestimate this.

Secondly, solipsism is not even a good map. It does not recognize the truth of no-self and the truth that you are God. Solipsism is still dualistic in that it denies the reality of others by upholding the reality of the ego-self. Nonduality makes a more radical move. It denies the reality of all individual selves, especially oneself. If other people are unreal, you as a person must also be unreal.

If you are unreal, then what are you? Solipsism doesn't answer this ultimate question.

The part that solipsism gets right is that ultimately you are all alone. But what are you? You are not a finite being, as solipsism assumes. But when you finally realize that you are an infinite being, you will also realize that you are both alone and together, because infinity includes all dualities. You are so ONE that you cannot even distinguish oneness from twoness! Unless you do

 

[Bluevinn]

On 5/28/2025 at 8:31 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Anyway, if you are the only perspective that exists, why you can't control the reality? Who's making the things appear? You? God? 

Bingo!

[Bluevinn]

On 5/27/2025 at 0:25 PM, Bluevinn said:

In your last video, "8 unique & original proofs of God," you said there can't be a finite object existing. Either that thing is God, or it's one finite thing of a chain which goes to infinity (which is ultimately God).

But then here in solipsism, you say only my finite self is conscious.

So this has to go to either:

1. It's infinity (This can't be true — this self is finite; I can't do whatever I wish. Obviously there are limits)

2. Or you're just one chain of a chain of infinity (which suits this so well — you're just one conscious self of many, which is ultimately god)

Just answer this leo.

Bet you can't.

Haha

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

 

what I said is against your religion?

[Loveeee]

21 minutes ago, Bluevinn said:

Just answer this leo.

Bet you can't.

Haha

What you're conscious of right now is yourself, your true infinite self

But it feels like you're a "finite" self, with finite control

It has no control, you can't even find it, because there is no such thing

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

What you're conscious of right now is yourself, your true infinite self

But it feels like you're a "finite" self, with finite control

It has no control, you can't even find it, because there is no such thing

Then why other people appears in the experience? I'm imagining them? How, if I'm not aware of doing it? Then there is something out of this experience, the fact of imagining the others

[Bluevinn]

Just now, Loveeee said:

What you're conscious of right now is yourself, your true infinite self

But it feels like you're a "finite" self, with finite control

It has no control, you can't even find it, because there is no such thing

No fluff.

Just tell 1st or the 2nd one.

Leo said everything must go into either 1st one or the 2nd one.

So which one is it ?

[Oppositionless]

Solipsism is a feeling not a belief. When you realize that everything you are aware of is your own awareness . That's the state of solipsism. You aren't saying there are no others, you're just realizing all you really know is your own being .

Edited May 29 by Oppositionless

[Nemra]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then why other people appears in the experience? I'm imagining them? How, if I'm not aware of doing it? Then there is something out of this experience, the fact of imagining the others

People are imaginary in the sense that you believe that they are conscious agents existing for themselves.

That is a subtle thing to notice.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

People are imaginary in the sense that you believe that they are conscious agents existing for themselves.

That is a subtle thing to notice.

And why they appear walking in the street? I'm imagining them? How? Imagining needs a process, will, design

[Nemra]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

And why they appear walking in the street? I'm imagining them? How? Imagining needs a process, will, design

You are saying why there are specific appearances appearing and not others. I don't know why either.

You are talking about imagination at the level of appearances, and I also don't understand how those appearances are an imagination.

However, appearance is actual. An appearance that isn't appearing is a possibility.

What is appearing is true.

I was more talking about how appearances are used to imagine conscious agents.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

was more talking about how appearances are used to imagine conscious agents.

Well, maybe they are concious. If I am concious, and they seem the same as me, probably they are concious too😅

[Loveeee]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And why they appear walking in the street? I'm imagining them? How? Imagining needs a process, will, design

What about your nightly dreams