Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Natasha Tori Maru]

47 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Because of people like you Leo deleted his video, it`s too much for such minds.

Woah Woah Woah

C'mon mate, you think this sort of ego driven spiritual elitism is constructive in ANY way?

The only intent with this comment is to provoke.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Because of people like you Leo deleted his video, it`s too much for such minds.

Leo should've released a video on what space and time (illusion, Maya) is before releasing that video. Because the most unfortunate part is not the people who expressed confusion. It's those who didn't but still took it the wrong way.

Leo actually makes a distinction between "materialist / small self / egoic solipsism" and "Absolute solipsism" (Big Self / cosmic solipsism), but that distinction requires knowing what space and time is or else it doesn't register.

Edited May 27 by Carl-Richard

[Bluevinn]

4 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Maybe because... It isn't the case. Consciousness being completely subjective and alone is more beautiful, more profound, and more loving than if it were a collective.

This is

28 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

"Absolute solipsism" (Big Self / cosmic solipsism)

Not this

Right ?

Edited May 27 by Bluevinn

[Lyubov]

The problem is you all try to name something that cannot be named. 

In life the notion of solipsism is false yet at the same time all is one. A miracle to behold. All notions lead nowhere, the truth follows only itself. 

Edited May 27 by Lyubov

[Eskilon]

52 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

C'mon mate, you think this sort of ego driven spiritual elitism is constructive in ANY way?

The only intent with this comment is to provoke.

I mean, look at what the guy wrote before I wrote this. He is clearly not the least serious in understanding the topic. I trolled a little bit with him but he continued.

Sorry if it came like a ego driven thing.

Edited May 27 by Eskilon

[Bluevinn]

 

5 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

He is clearly not the least serious in understanding the topic.

Still it's a ego driven thing what's going on with you.

So does your understanding about solipsism. It's tied so hard to your ego.

To the point where you claim that an individual experience is better than a collective experience.

Edited May 27 by Bluevinn

[Eskilon]

42 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Leo should've released a video on what space and time (illusion, Maya) is before releasing that video. Because the most unfortunate part is not the people who expressed confusion. It's those who didn't but still took it the wrong way.

Leo actually makes a distinction between "materialist / small self / egoic solipsism" and "Absolute solipsism" (Big Self / cosmic solipsism), but that distinction requires knowing what space and time is or else it doesn't register.

Yes I understand.

This topic is so nuanced and tricky, its like @Davino said earlier. I think even Leo's view might have changed since that video(Not fundamentally, but the various facets and implications that comes with it).

Bottom line is: one should investigate this with caution, because it's where things get really scary and serious(initially).

Edited May 27 by Eskilon

[Loveeee]

56 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Leo should've released a video on what space and time (illusion, Maya) is before releasing that video.

He's been explaining for years how it's all imaginary

Even the solipsism video was nothing new, here's a 2019 blog video about omniscience which implies solipsism 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/total-omniscience-awakening

[Natasha Tori Maru]

13 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Bottom line is: one should investigate this with caution, because it's where things get really scary and serious(initially).

I agree - this is an excellent response that would have replaced your earlier one.

Drawing conclusions without thoroughly thinking, defining and burrowing into the topic & its constituents

I do admit, though, solipsism is an interesting concept

[Bluevinn]

56 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Yes I understand.

This topic is so nuanced and tricky, its like @Davino said earlier. I think even Leo's view might have changed since that video(Not fundamentally, but the various facets and implications that comes with it).

Bottom line is: one should investigate this with caution, because it's where things get really scary and serious(initially).

Do you agree with absolute solipsism?

You can't claim that both subjective solipsism and absolute solipsism are equally valid, because you've already made a clear distinction between individual experience and collective experience—and even stated that individual experience holds more weight.

You can’t uphold both positions without contradicting yourself.

All should be equally weighted.

Edited May 27 by Bluevinn

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Leo actually makes a distinction between "materialist / small self / egoic solipsism" and "Absolute solipsism" (Big Self / cosmic solipsism),

I make so such distinction.

There is only one form of solipsism. The one everyone dislikes.

But hey, who cares what I say. Find out for yourself.

Edited May 27 by Leo Gura

[Salvijus]

5 hours ago, aurum said:

No, because if you can remove your limitations, that's not serious limitation.

Real limitations means in your current state of consciousness, you cannot change them.

The only requirement to gain full control of the dream is to become lucid that you're dreaming. Yet when people awaken in real life they attain to no such power. It's as if you're living in a shared collaborative space or smth... Hmm... It's as if only a portion of God's will is manifesting through you and other parts of God's will is manifesting through other entities. Hmm... How interesting. 

 

Edited May 27 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is only one form of solipsism. The one you dislike.

But hey, who cares what I say. Find out for yourself.

If you believe others can awaken, then it already debunks solipsism. 

[zurew]

23 minutes ago, Bluevinn said:

Do you agree with absolute solipsism?

You can't claim that both subjective solipsism and absolute solipsism are equally valid, because you've already made a clear distinction between individual experience and collective experience—and even stated that collective experience holds more weight.

You can’t uphold both positions without contradicting yourself.

All should be equally weighted.

They wont be able to give you arguments that would solve the underdetermination problem.

Most of the things they say are comaptible with multiple things not just with Absolute Solipsism and sometimes they just assert that those things are only compatible with that kind of solipsism without providing a non question-begging argument for it.

Btw this is one reason why I ranted earlier and this is what I meant about being dogmatic (they cant justify why they choose Absolute solipsism over any other metaphysical thesis , but at the same time they dont take an agnostic position on it [they dont leave the door open for any other mataphysical thesis] and they just assert that they are right or they give you a question-begging argument.

And of course they will ignore all the limitations that comes with the view.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I make so such distinction.

There is only one form of solipsism. The one you dislike.

But hey, who cares what I say. Find out for yourself.

Nice bit of spiritual provocation. 

'Find out' implying there is proof

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

implying there is proof

There's You.

You are the proof.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

There's You.

You are the proof.

This is no proof, or evidence of lived experience.

You are human as we all are. Your ego, just as mine does, limits any proof on the solipsism topic.

This is why I think it is an interesting intellectual concept - nothing more

[Davino]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's the individualistic lifestyle championed by the leader, the atomized societal structure of post-modernity, and people being stuck in their minds instead of connecting to people, to nature, to feeling.

Actually when you succeed in connecting with everything, Solipsism happens.

Edited May 27 by Davino

[Yeah Yeah]

I still wonder to what extent Leo implies his theory of solipsism like to it's extreme because there are multiple people debating and using terms like others do have their own independent dream lives in a shared reality - by this logic I'm the main character and you all are dream imaginings like come on there is no way that should be offensive to anyone else in this forum because I know I have my own experience independent of whether I read anyone else's response or not I can choose my own autonomous experience like anyone else in this forum surely - this alone debunks solipsism unless you insist this solipsism idea then I am aware of myself as the lonely dreamer which I don't buy into honestly - this solipsism idea must be like spiritual clickbait for endless engagement from people in the forum

Edited May 27 by Yeah Yeah

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This is no proof, or evidence of lived experience.

You are human as we all are. Your ego, just as mine does, limits any proof on the solipsism topic.

This is why I think it is an interesting intellectual concept - nothing more

There's consciousness of God.

Whatever God is, that's your answer/proof.

God is not a concept.

Really, the thing you should be asking yourself is, What is God?

When you answer that question you will answer the solipsism question.