Humanity Has Failed

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

They were 600 thousand of Arabs in 1920 and 85 thousand Jews, the land was not empty but not very populated. The Arabs grew a lot because natality and the Jews because immigration. It's a mess, but it's a fact. The Arabs must accept the situation and stop the hate, then try to get an state and a good life for their children. If they persist in hate, they will be expulsed, all of them. Hate is not a solution. Victimism neither, they should look forward, not backwards, if not, bye. 

All countries were "not very populated" because the world population back then was a fraction of what it is now

If all the Palestinians are expelled then what makes you think the allies of the Palestinians won't kill every last Israeli? What would be the point then of diplomacy at all?

 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

all the Palestinians are expelled then what makes you think the allies of the Palestinians won't kill every last Israeli? What would be the point then of diplomacy at all?

 

If they could they already would do. Iran has repeatedly said that Israel must be wiped off the map. Saddam Hussein said it too, and many others. Then in a given moment Israel maybe decide that they have nothing to loose , but probably no because they need the help of US. People think that it's very unfair that US helps Israel, but it's fair that Iran helps Hamas. Iran is a powerful country of 100 millions inhabitants that says that Israel must be erased. It's not comfortable for Israel i guess

Edited June 5 by Breakingthewall

[Twentyfirst]

56 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If they could they already would do. Iran has repeatedly said that Israel must be wiped off the map. Saddam Hussein said it too, and many others. Then in a given moment Israel maybe decide that they have nothing to loose , but probably no because they need the help of US. People think that it's very unfair that US helps Israel, but it's fair that Iran helps Hamas. Iran is a powerful country of 100 millions inhabitants that says that Israel must be erased. It's not comfortable for Israel i guess

They could they just don't want to because of Palestinians. But if all Palestinians would be expelled then there is no reason not to wipe Israel off the map

You are going in circles 

[Raze]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Great demagoguery, man you are impossible. The nazis didn't want to expulse the Jews from Germany because they are fighting for a land, they want to exterminate them around the world because in their opinion they was an inferior raze who don't deserve existing. I Know that nuances are difficult, and it's much easier if you are Muslim cheer the Muslims and hate the enemies, it's what people use to do. The Nazis were psychotic, and if they offered to the Jews scape from Germany they would accept today escaping walking naked to the congo, but they didn't want expulse them, just killing them until no one Jew remains in the world. That's why when Hamas killed those people in October many Muslim around the world do demonstration shouting: gas the Jews, gas the Jews! Because the Muslims hate the Jews, but then a lot of cries when they get all the blows. That's crazy, then it's fair kill Jews and evil kill Muslims. With those ideas, the only reason is war. 

Expelling people is also a crime, just less so then annihilating them. The point remains. If Germans expelled Jews that would also have been wrong. I guess if Germans just killed a hundred thousand Jews and expelled the rest you would be ok with it then.

Also the gas the Jews thing was one random incident in Australia. That wasn’t the “entire Muslim world hates Jews”.

Meanwhile Israelis literally march in Jeresulem every year chanting “death to arabs“,

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/thousands-of-israeli-nationalists-chant-death-to-arabs-during-annual-procession-through-jerusalem

but you don’t complain about that or think that justifies killing and occupying Jews. Why? Because you have a bigoted double standard. 

Also, like I already told you, it’s not just Muslims, here is Israel’s worldwide approval, as you can see even the non-Muslim countries disapprove of them. Basically it’s the opposite of what you’re saying, you think it’s evil to kill Jews but fair to kill Palestinians, the rest of the world no longer agrees.

https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=260877

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

Sure, but look so crazy are the Jews, they prefer a terrorist with a bomb than a state with planes and hypersonic missiles in west bank just above of tel Aviv. That's because they are so evil Jews very bad and settlers. 

That is because the Arabs of Israel are not organized into political parties like Hamas, but are normal workers who have an acceptable standard of living, and are very controlled by police.

 

Wrong on every level.

- when Palestinains weren’t attacking, israel didn’t give them any more rights and kept stealing their land, and later funded Hamas itself. It has nothing to do with security.

- the Israeli Arabs have parties, they don’t fight because they aren’t undergoing constant attack. Police do not control them, in fact currently Israeli media is reporting police are ignoring them while they beg them to help deal with criminals.

- Answer this: if it was about security, why do they block food, medicine, wheelchair parts, and desalination equipment from Gaza when they aren’t at war? Why do they let settlers burn down Palestinian homes? How does this increase security?

Basically in your world israel can reject any two states deal and permanently hold Palestinians without rights because of “security”, but any Palestinian attempt to even defend themselves from literal constant arrests, torture, killings, and land seizure is terrorism and just further justifies the oppression.

It’s on the same level of moral reasoning as American slave owners who would say slavery was “holding the wolf by the ear”, as in it’s justified to keep an entire race of people oppressed because they might attack you if they aren’t. 

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

When the Jews gave Gaza to the Palestinians, if a party called Happy Butterflies, which had as its slogans economic development and fraternity between peoples, had won, then there would have been no blockade and they would have been able to develop, but Hamas won by an absolute majority, its base being the disappearance of Israel and violent fight ,so the very crazy Jews blocked them because they don't like having people around them who want to kill them. 

They deserve an state, they can have it when the accept Israel. In 1948 an state was offered to them, but they said that they don't want to share, they wanted everything, then they have nothing. This use to happen, hate generates hate. Then a lot of complains and cries come. S

Completely wrong.

Gaza was never given to Palestinians, Israel never let up control of the borders, air space, or anything that enters. What you mean is israel removed illegal settlements from inside. If you lived in a town then the US government removed all police and federal employees but blocked the entire perimeter and limited and controlled everything that came and left, you wouldn’t say they “gave you the town”.

Hamas won the election for the same reason your entire argument is nonsense. Because after the PLO agreed to recognize Israel and give up armed resistance to Israel, israel just increased illegal settlements and refused to give Palestinians freedom, so they voted for Hamas because Israel rejected peace.

In 1948 when they offered the state that was after they had expelled 400,000 Palestinians and killed thousands to seize all the economically viable territory for themselves. That would be like if Arab countries took half of Israel and kicked hundreds of thousands of Jews out then when Israel doesn’t agree to it, it’s their fault.

There was already a blockade before Hamas won the election, they just strengthened it after they won.

Again, Hamas offered a long term ceasefire if the occupation ended, so the reason they couldn’t develop was because israel blockaded it after rejecting this, not because of Hamas.

A blockade is only a problem for economic development if economic interests are blocked, a blockade just for security could just block weapons and allow development. But leaked emails so israel purposefully blockaded it to crush the economy for civilians.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna40926651

We are talking about limiting food and medicine for over 1 million children, and all you can do is rant about how actually it’s Palestinians fault and Israel is right and if Palestinians ever do anything about it israel should reject it and they are just “crying” when Israel kills them by the thousand.

You know very little about this conflict and demonstrate the moral development on par of a racial supremacist, all while thinking you can look down on a people who are currently facing a man made famine, it’s quite disgusting. 

Edited June 6 by Raze

[LordFall]

I'm also shocked that this was allowed to happen and is still an ongoing situation with the amount of global support the palestinians are getting. Thank God people actually protested and kept the issue alive or they would've fully genocided them. 

This and the Ukraine war shows we really aren't that developped and safe from atrocities and if we don't seriously get our shit together something like WW3 could easily happen and see another tens of million if not more people die. 

[zazen]

7 hours ago, Raze said:

- when Palestinains weren’t attacking, israel didn’t give them any more rights and kept stealing their land, and later funded Hamas itself. It has nothing to do with security.

Imagine complaining about radicals at your gates, then funding the very same radicals.

 

On 6/5/2025 at 2:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

Like clockwork:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164056

lol

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Raze said:

but you don’t complain about that or think that justifies killing and occupying Jews. Why? Because you have a bigoted double standard. 

On 5/6/2025 at 2:18 PM, Twentyfirst said:

 

You don't understand absolutely nothing. I'm trying to understand the conflict not cheer one side. I think that the Palestinian are stupid with their violence just because it's impossible for them to win, because win for them is the dissapearance of Israel, then are provoking killings and expulsion, it's a sterile attitude. If they could win, then they could try , but it's impossible, they just want express their hate killing some people sometimes and constructing nothing, just hate and excuses. 

Edited June 6 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Raze said:

Hamas won the election for the same reason your entire argument is nonsense. Because after the PLO agreed to recognize Israel and give up armed resistance to Israel, israel just increased illegal settlements and refused to give Palestinians freedom, so they voted for Hamas because Israel rejected peace.

Yes, the Palestinian are peaceful people but Israel forced them to be violent because Israel is evil and Palestine is good. Interesting analysis.

[Breakingthewall]

@zazen can't remove the quote sorry 

@Raze

Let me explain it to you again, see if you understand. In 2002, Saudi Arabia was going to present a possible two-state solution. The day before, a Hamas terrorist perpetrated the Passover massacre. The treaty was rejected. Three years later, Hamas won an absolute majority in Gaza. Do you understand? It means that the Palestinians approve of the Passover massacre and the boycott of the Saudi two-state treaty. They want violence, and that's exactly what they get. Where's the mystery?

[Raze]

On 6/6/2025 at 8:26 AM, Breakingthewall said:

You don't understand absolutely nothing. I'm trying to understand the conflict not cheer one side. I think that the Palestinian are stupid with their violence just because it's impossible for them to win, because win for them is the dissapearance of Israel, then are provoking killings and expulsion, it's a sterile attitude. If they could win, then they could try , but it's impossible, they just want express their hate killing some people sometimes and constructing nothing, just hate and excuses. 

You’re not trying to understand anything, you’re trying to reinforce an uneducated colonial framework.

On 6/6/2025 at 8:31 AM, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, the Palestinian are peaceful people but Israel forced them to be violent because Israel is evil and Palestine is good. Interesting analysis.

Irrelevant to what I said.

Your point was that Palestinians rejected peace by electing Hamas, my point was that Israel already rejected peace when it failed to secure a resolution with the PLO, thereby Palestinians voted Hamas because the PLO had failed.

Let’s put that aside, if Israel wants peace so bad why don’t they just ignore Hamas in Gaza entirely, and focus on the West Bank, Hamas was arrested / expelled from there and the PA in charge agreed to stop fighting israel at all. They did exactly what you demand. What was Israel’s response? Seize more land, build more settlements, and kill so many children that by September in 2023 it had been the deadliest year for children since the intifada. 

Edited June 9 by Raze

[Raze]

On 6/6/2025 at 10:23 AM, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen can't remove the quote sorry 

@Raze

Let me explain it to you again, see if you understand. In 2002, Saudi Arabia was going to present a possible two-state solution. The day before, a Hamas terrorist perpetrated the Passover massacre. The treaty was rejected. Three years later, Hamas won an absolute majority in Gaza. Do you understand? It means that the Palestinians approve of the Passover massacre and the boycott of the Saudi two-state treaty. They want violence, and that's exactly what they get. Where's the mystery?

This is basically a sequence of events you made up in your head.

The Passover massacre was not why the treaty was rejected. Israel rejected the treaty because they are against ending the occupation period. Israel never even claimed the Passover massacre was why they rejected the treaty. Hamas never said they committed the massacre because they rejected the treaty. The PLO which represented the majority of Palestinians at the time condemned the massacre and arrested Hamas members in response.

Electing Hamas was not because they approved of the Passover massacre, it was because the PLO failed to end the occupation after Israel rejected that treaty. 

Exit polls show the majority of Palestinian voters voted against the PLO for its corruption and failure to end the blockade, but still supported a two state solution. 

Edited June 9 by Raze

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Let’s put that aside, if Israel wants peace so bad

Israel don't want peace so bad, they want to expulse the Palestinian, same than the Palestinian want to expulse the Jews. It's what they call a war. Do you understand? Both hate each other, then that idea than when the Palestinian parade corpses of teenager girls around gaza is legitimate because they are victims and when Israel bomb the Palestinian is bad seems like you are not understanding the situation. 

1 hour ago, Raze said:

The Passover massacre was not why the treaty was rejected. Israel rejected the treaty because they are against ending the occupation period.

Ah, ok, then the massacre the day before of the treaty was irrelevant. Well, you have convinced me: the poor Palestinian are good and their massacres are legitimate, and the evil Jews are bad and like kill children. Ok, it was so sophisticated analysis that I didn't get at first, but now I do. 

I understand your point: as the Palestinian were before, the Jews must go. With this reason, only a language works, the language that is being spoken now. 

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Israel don't want peace so bad, they want to expulse the Palestinian, same than the Palestinian want to expulse the Jews. It's what they call a war. Do you understand? Both hate each other, then that idea than when the Palestinian parade corpses of teenager girls around gaza is legitimate because they are victims and when Israel bomb the Palestinian is bad seems like you are not understanding the situation. 

Ah, ok, then the massacre the day before of the treaty was irrelevant. Well, you have convinced me: the poor Palestinian are good and their massacres are legitimate, and the evil Jews are bad and like kill children. Ok, it was so sophisticated analysis that I didn't get at first, but now I do. 

I understand your point: as the Palestinian were before, the Jews must go. With this reason, only a language works, the language that is being spoken now. 

Point out to me 

- when did I say parading a corpse was legitimate 

- when was it said by israel they rejected the treaty because of the massacre

- when did I say massacres are legitimate 

- when did I say Jews must go 

I get it’s easier to just argue with a fiction you invented in your head, but you can leave me out of it. the only one who thinks massacres of civilians and expulsion is justified, is YOU, because you keep insisting israel has no choice but to do it.

You’ve attached yourself to a narrative not related to reality. We are literally talking about a peace treaty israel rejected that would have left Israel with their lands. Yet you concocted a narrative it’s all about expelling Jews therefore Jews are allowed to expel Palestinians. It’s beyond stupid. 
 

For the second time, Israel itself did not say they rejected the deal because of the massacre. Hamas itself claimed the massacre wasn’t in response to the peace deal, even though at the time they rejected it, though they would later accept it.

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Rantisi denied the Netanya bombing was timed to coincide with the Arab summit, which convened about seven hours before the bombing.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20160304102933/http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/29/Worldandnation/Hamas_rejects_Arab_pe.shtml

to break this down even further the sequence of events is, Palestinians and all Arab states offer a deal that is the opposite of expelling Jews -> Israel rejects it -> Israel attempts to expel Palestinians 

Your conclusion: the evil Palestinians want to expel Jews! The Jews must expel them. If you disagree with  me you’re supporting expulsion. Did I mention israel is speaking the only language it can which is expulsion? 
 

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With this reason, only a language works, the language that is being spoken now. 

So given that you keep saying I endorse massacres because I support resistance in any form, given you support Israel’s actions, by your own logic you think this is legitimate.

https://youtu.be/qqusa-96WLs?si=UwYw64lp0j44q0d4&t=264

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqzE4hkuee4

 

Edited June 9 by Raze

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Based off of videos and interviews such as these, a lot of people from Israel seem pretty narcisistic to me, it's like it's not simply a case of being brainwashed by an ideology but almost a mental illness. When they're asked question such as What about the Arabs and Palestinians, what's going to happen to them according to your plan? It's like they won't even hear that question, they just continue to say that it is their right to settle everything in Israel; etc. etc.

[Breakingthewall]

On 6/6/2025 at 2:57 AM, Raze said:

1948 when they offered the state that was after they had expelled 400,000 Palestinians and killed thousands to seize all the economically viable territory for themselves. That would be like if Arab countries took half of Israel and kicked hundreds of thousands of Jews out then when Israel doesn’t agree to it, it’s their fault

not exactly.  The plan of two states was approved in 1947, as the Palestinian didn't accept it the fight started, and the Arabs hit first, then a lot of killing happened and 400 thousand were expelled, then in 1948 the state of Israel was proclaimed and an Arab alliance declared war. 

Btw I don't approve the foundation of Israel in a occupied land, I think that it was a mistake, like everyone thinks because it was, but the Jews want Israel, the historical home. now, 80 years later and a lot of wars later it's a fact, then, what's the solution?

Edited June 9 by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

Comedian Theo Von and JD pants

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Comedian Theo Von and JD pants

😩

[Raze]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

not exactly.  The plan of two states was approved in 1947, as the Palestinian didn't accept it the fight started, and the Arabs hit first, then a lot of killing happened and 400 thousand were expelled, then in 1948 the state of Israel was proclaimed and an Arab alliance declared war. 

Btw I don't approve the foundation of Israel in a occupied land, I think that it was a mistake, like everyone thinks because it was, but the Jews want Israel, the historical home. now, 80 years later and a lot of wars later it's a fact, then, what's the solution?

“Arabs hit first”

No they didn’t. The civil war happened after the British had killed, injured, or expelled thousands. Zionist militias were regularly carrying out bombings and attacks.

Example: On 15 August 1947, the Haganah blew up the house of a Palestinian family near Petah Tikva killing twelve occupants, including a woman and six children

It was during the civil war that Zionist’s began the ethnic cleansing operations and carried out mass killings and expelled 400,000.

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

what's the solution?

As I have already told you at least eight times, there is a peace deal on the table that every relevant country is signed on which Israel unilaterally rejects and gets the US to block. 

Every year at the U.N. general assembly a vote on the two state solution appears. It’s not asking for Israel to abolish its ethnic supremacy state, just to stop the occupation of millions of people without rights. Guess who votes no and who vetoes it every time.

Edited June 10 by Raze

[Twentyfirst]

11 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Based off of videos and interviews such as these, a lot of people from Israel seem pretty narcisistic to me, it's like it's not simply a case of being brainwashed by an ideology but almost a mental illness. When they're asked question such as What about the Arabs and Palestinians, what's going to happen to them according to your plan? It's like they won't even hear that question, they just continue to say that it is their right to settle everything in Israel; etc. etc.

That's how it goes with indigenous people. When do you ever hear about Native Americans, Canadians, Australians? Whenever they are brought up it is brushed off as a "necessary evolution" that had to happen

Dehumanize the people, kill them, steal the land, push them away, infiltrate the culture, give them a small plot of land to live in, rebrand from European to "American" to steal their identity, and then never mention it again

Can't mention the indigenous, non white, people ever. Their rights and their people don't exist as far as they are concerned. It's not a mental illness because they can still do some other things functionally but just barbarism which also leaks into most of the things they do

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Arabs hit first”

No they didn’t. The civil war happened after the British had killed, injured, or expelled thousands. Zionist militias were regularly carrying out bombings and attacks.

Example: On 15 August 1947, the Haganah blew up the house of a Palestinian family near Petah Tikva killing twelve occupants, including a woman and six children

It was during the civil war that Zionist’s began

 

🔥 How the Conflict in Palestine Began in 1947

🗓️ 1. UN Partition Plan Approved (November 29, 1947)

The UN passed Resolution 181, proposing the division of the British Mandate of Palestine into two states: one Jewish and one Arab.

Jewish leaders accepted the plan, though not without reservations.

Arab leaders rejected it outright, seeing it as unfair—Jews were a minority but would receive the majority of the land.

⚔️ 2. Violence Erupts Immediately (Late November – December 1947)

The very next day, Arab militias and civilians began attacking Jewish neighborhoods, particularly in Jerusalem and Jaffa.

Jewish supply convoys were ambushed; tensions escalated rapidly.

Jewish militias (Haganah, Irgun, Lehi) organized defenses and carried out retaliatory strikes.

📈 3. Civil War Escalation (January – May 1948)

Fighting intensified. There were bombings, ambushes, massacres, and forced expulsions on both sides.

The Deir Yassin massacre (April 1948) by Irgun and Lehi resulted in over 100 Arab civilian deaths and triggered mass panic among Palestinians.

Key battles occurred in cities like Haifa, Tiberias, Jaffa, and along roads to Jerusalem.

The British, still officially in charge, largely abstained from intervening.

🌍 4. From Civil War to Regional War (May 1948)

On May 14, 1948, Israel declared independence.

On May 15, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon invaded, marking the beginning of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

📌 Timeline Summary

DateEventDescription

Nov 29, 1947UN Partition PlanAccepted by Jews, rejected by Arabs

Dec 1947Initial violenceAttacks by Arab militias; Jewish reprisals

Jan–Apr 1948Civil war phaseEscalating battles, massacres, expulsions

May 14–15, 1948Israeli independence → warArab states invade

 

Edited June 10 by Breakingthewall