Humanity Has Failed

[Twentyfirst]

7 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Just remember without any of the lies or deception or theft. This is the true face of the Middle East. Once you accept this then you can see about being a guest on their land and neighbors of the region 

If the Jews can't acknowledge this is how the Middle East was before then there will always be issues. To say that Palestine never existed, that all Arabs are just Arabs anyways, Israel was here before, we made the desert bloom, there were never any cities before us, a land without a people, all these lies are only making it worse

[PurpleTree]

How are you guys not bored of having the same discussion for months with the same arguments nobody ever changes their mind. 
 

I get bored after 5mins of reading that.

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is the fantasy that will kill a million Palestinians.

There never was a Palestinain state. A state requires a military to defend its borders.

A state requires clear borders. Israel doesn't have that with the settlements in the West Bank

It's more about people. Even if power shifted from the Ottoman Empire to the British Empire there are still 750k Palestinians with real history, ties to the land, property, and wealth that all had to be kicked out to become refugees and their descendants as wel. In the West Bank real people are losing their homes and land and security

Would you have done the same? Lets say America gains authority Canada and tells you, Leo, that you can move to Canada and take this persons house and it's okay because they are under American authority now? I think you would know it's wrong and you would say "I'll pass". Even if someone else takes your spot and takes that persons house you will feel better knowing it wasn't you who did it

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

How are you guys not bored of having the same discussion for months with the same arguments nobody ever changes their mind. 
 

I get bored after 5mins of reading that.

This is why the conflict has gone on so long. Both sides are stubborn

But international law is important. If the laws were followed it would pretty much solve everything regardless of arguments and changing minds

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Israel doesn't have that with the settlements in the West Bank

Settlements must end.

Settlements are the work of the Devil.

Edited Sunday at 08:03 PM by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

25 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

How are you guys not bored of having the same discussion for months with the same arguments nobody ever changes their mind. 
 

I get bored after 5mins of reading that.

I mean don’t stop now.

It‘s not even a diss i just don’t understand it.

But if you enjoy doing it keep it up, there’s no free will anyway.

[PurpleTree]

Gosh golly i silenced both sides.  
 

Is this the proof for solipsism?

[Oppositionless]

8 hours ago, Someone here said:

No thats a misunderstanding of what I said . Nobody is going to enjoy being tortured to death .my point is being tortured to death and wars and diseases and deaths and all forms of evil is only evil relative to the human perspective. Sooner or later you gonna just realize that life never gets enough of fucking with you and throwing tomatoes at you ..so why not wise up and detach from your humanhood and by that suffering can't affect you ?  Is this spiritual bypassing and escapism?  NO. IT IS THE TRUTH THAT YOU ARE NOT A HUMAN AND THAT ALL THE SUFFERING OF HUMANITY DOESNT MEAN CRAP TO THE UNIVERSE OR GOD.

 

I suppose you're right. God is pure fucking evil. There's a beauty in becoming indifferent to his bullshit.

[Raze]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Settlements must end.

Settlements are the work of the Devil.

The settlements are just doing what was original done to create israel, but at a slower pace. Settlers themselves argue this. 

[Twentyfirst]

He added it was also “a strategic move that prevents the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger Israel.”

[Raze]

That’s 22 entire settlement blocks, for comparison the current settlement blocks are 160 which house 700,000 Jews, many armed to the teeth immersed in a radical ideology.

They’ve also ramped up attacks against Palestinians.

[Twentyfirst]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The true face of middle east now is another. Palestinians must completely renounce violence, as it plays against them. The only reason Israel doesn't exterminate them is because of international public opinion; this international opinion is their strength. If they renounce violence and hold constant peaceful demonstrations and pressures, without stones, without violence, the Zionists will lose their reason. They may kill some, but they are already killing them. They must allow themselves to be killed without responding, to destroy Israel's image.

Don't kill teenager girls and expose their corpses; that works against them. They must stop being mentally retarded and become intelligent, or they will have no future. Launch rockets that don't do nothing is simply stupid, nonsense. 

The settlements are proof that zionists are batshit crazy. "They must allow themselves to be killed without responding, to destroy Israels image"

So 22 new settlements that are illegal but sanctioned by the government which will bring 500,000 new hostile ghetto New York Jews. And you think that doesn't destroy Israels image? And you think that the Palestinians response should be to let it happen and even die which will be the thing that destroys Israels image? You have to see how crazy and downright evil you think towards Arabs. Extremely out of touch too

Obviously they have to fight a war with Israel because Israel needs to be stopped. You Jews can't be reasoned with because you are too racist, selfish, and immoral. Simple

[Twentyfirst]

8 minutes ago, Raze said:

That’s 22 entire settlement blocks, for comparison the current settlement blocks are 160 which house 700,000 Jews, many armed to the teeth immersed in a radical ideology.

They’ve also ramped up attacks against Palestinians.

America would never allow such a thing and they have so much land to spare. They are gonna try to block this project which would be built on legally purchased land

 

Edited Monday at 02:07 AM by Twentyfirst

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Obviously they have to fight a war with Israel because Israel needs to be stopped.

A war how? The only possible war is non violent resistance, violent is what Israel wants to have a reason to expulse the Palestinian. It's very stupid doing what Israel wants 

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Settlements must end.

Settlements are the work of the Devil.

The opposition party is talking about stopping by the settlements. If it wins the elections after this and the Palestinians try constructive solutions, perhaps it will be possible. Jewish extremists are interested in Hamas and violent Palestinians. Violent Palestinians work for Zionism. They should realize this.

[zazen]

On 29/05/2025 at 7:50 AM, zazen said:

@Leo Gura

If someone pins you down and you try scratching their eyes out - are you morally inferior?

Context matters. Desperate acts should be contextualized rather than pathologized as moral inferiority of a group.

I would definetely say ISIS are morally inferior to Hamas because they have global aspirations of domination with ideological purity driving them - fanatically violent.

Hamas meanwhile are in a localized geopolitical struggle with aspirations of liberation - contextually violent.

What contextual excuse did the US have to nuke two civilian cities when it didn’t have to?

Should we go back to discussing morality?

 

The culture that actually used nukes, and from which another mouthpiece calls to nuke Gaza - thinks there’s something wrong with the culture in Gaza. Ironic.

Edited Monday at 09:47 AM by zazen

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

A war how? The only possible war is non violent resistance, violent is what Israel wants to have a reason to expulse the Palestinian. It's very stupid doing what Israel wants 

I think you keep forgetting that you are part of the problem. Why not leave the land voluntarily if you know it's a theft? Oh right, because some Jews lived there 2,000 years ago

You failed the test of life bro. Better luck in the next round

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

I think you keep forgetting that you are part of the problem. Why not leave the land voluntarily if you know it's a theft? Oh right, because some Jews lived there 2,000 years ago

You failed the test of life bro. Better luck in the next round

I'm not Jew and I don't live in Israel . The rhetoric that Israel must disappear legitimizes Zionist violence and give power to people as Netanyahu and ben gvir, that's why they have given money to hamas. Israel will only disappear if it's destroyed in a war, and before that, it will launch all 400 nukes it has. So, why not look for a possible solution instead of obsessing over something impossible because you think it should be that way?

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, zazen said:

Should we go back to discussing morality?

 

The culture that actually used nukes, and from which another mouthpiece calls to nuke Gaza - thinks there’s something wrong with the culture in Gaza. Ironic.

As long as Palestinians don't recognize the State of Israel and are obsessed with its disappearance, there will be no peace. That's why there's war now. You can twist things if you want and say that Ben Givir, Bibi, and the settlers. The reality is that if Palestinians have Israel's disappearance as the center of their culture, they are Israel's mortal enemies, and mortal enemies are treated as mortal enemies. That's life.

Are they so pitiful for their suffering? Sure, but first, stop being a mortal enemy, and then we'll talk. Now you'll say: The land was theirs, and they should leave. Great. And all the models should want to fuck with me. Life is so unfair. I'm going to kill people.

[Breakingthewall]

The problem in Palestine is that if an intelligent leader emerges capable of devising clever and useful strategies that open the door to the creation of a Palestinian state, the retarded people will start howling that he's a traitor and that Israel must disappear. He'd better shut up or they'll kill him. Then the retarded people will launch a lot of rockets that won't kill anyone, and Bibi will be happy.