Leo, How Many God-Realized Women Have You Met?

[UnbornTao]

Jesus Christ, we sure hold a lot of BS about enlightenment. 

[Salvijus]

23 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Jesus Christ, we sure hold a lot of BS about enlightenment. 

No substance comment 

[Nemra]

27 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

No substance comment 

For you, of course.

[Salvijus]

14 minutes ago, Nemra said:

For you, of course.

And now you too

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

And now you too

You do not understand how seriously ironic you have been. 🥲

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

You do not understand how seriously ironic you have been. 🥲

I wasn't in denial of the irony. Quite the opposite, I'm satisfied with the outcome it brings. 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

No substance --comment--

As with enlightenment.

Edited May 15 by UnbornTao

[Schizophonia]

10 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

 

I actually completely agree with you about women being more comfortable not knowing and men having to know everything. 

I must be the most masculine man ever so. 

 

Jk.

Edited May 15 by Schizophonia

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

As with enlightenment.

I would disagree 

[UnbornTao]

48 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I would disagree 

That's fine too, but I'd say eliminating everything we have about it builds a more real and present relationship to the matter.

Edited May 15 by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

That's fine too. But I'd say that eliminating everything we have about it builds a more real and present relationship to the matter. 

I'm cool with that. 

[Norbert Somogyi]

I guess this is why Ken Wilber emphasizes the multi-dimensionality of development (in his book Finding Radical Wholeness), meaning Waking up (Awakening), Growing up (Personal Development), Cleaning up (reintegrating the Shadow), Showing up (referring to his 4Q model and how the Quadrants all co-exist and influence one another) and Opening up (to the various facets of intelligence one can develop). Furthermore how focusing solely on Waking up could result in various even disastrous effects.

I have yet to read the book, but got curious about it after reading this Reddit post.

[Lila9]

On 15/05/2025 at 2:24 AM, BlessedLion said:

@Lila9

 

Regarding my first point, I’ve seen many hardcore female spiritual practitioners, I’m talking fully devoted teachers go back to jealousy, reactivity, and even rage over men in a community they are competing over. It’s just to point that they aren’t as transcended as it might seem. I’m not judging them, I’m definitely not over those human reactions either. But we shouldn’t act like spiritual women dont fall into heirarchy (looks, age, status), competition and monkey games either. 
 

I actually completely agree with you about women being more comfortable not knowing and men having to know everything. 
 

I think that more evolutionary, if a guy leading the clan or tribe was unsure or not confident in what he was leading, the tribe wouldn’t survive or follow him. There’s almost a survival need for arrogance and being assured. Also I think men take pride in understanding and being able to prove things to others. It is kinda silly I agree 

Ok, I get what you mean.

There are women I don’t feel safe around either, not because of their jealousy (which is normal in people), but from how they handle their emotions: catty, hostile, chasing male validation at the cost of self-respect. Some even betray close friends for it.

I say this as a woman who believes in feminism and sisterhood. I wish it were different.

While there is the aspect of what we call human nature, and the development of consciousness and ego, we can’t ignore the weight of culture and conditioning. 

As women, we’re all shaped by a patriarchal, capitalist system built to divide and control us. From childhood, we’re taught our worth lies in beauty, marriage (the ultimate form of male validation), and motherhood (the ultimate form of self sacrifice). 

Healing from that, misogyny turned inward, distrust of other women, takes time. The fear of losing approval and not fitting in runs deep (the brain interprets it as risk of death). But even if women overcome those fears and push back, even in 2025, women still face backlash for pushing back.

It’s not like women are conformists while men are not. Men are conformists too beause this is the human nature, but they don’t like to admit that. 

Some women awaken and seek spiritual growth, though it’s hard in a world built to dim us.

In spiritual and creative spaces, I’ve met women who are wise, tender, ego-light. What stands out is their authenticity, self awarness, courge, unapolegetic feminism, their intention to heal, and open hearts.

I have seen that we are all a little broken, trying to find wholeness in a world that often forgets we’re human.
 

Just feel the energy of this woman, from my home country. That’s the kind of spiritual vibe I’ve mostly experienced from spiritual women. 

 

 

When I compare her energy to that of spiritual men there’s often a clear difference in my eyes, more ego. It’s not that men value knowledge more, but many seem less willing to surrender to the unknown. Spiritual transformation requires humility, a deep trust in intuition, emotion, and direct experience. Emotions aren’t noise, they’re messengers. That’s where real transformation begins.

Yet men often cling to certainty, using “knowledge” as a shield against chaos and vulnerability. They collect teachings like trophies, treat spirituality like dogma, chasing status or admiration and even sex.

Even profound experiences, like psychedelics, often become fuel for ego rather than healing.

Of course, women do this too, but I’ve seen it more often in men.

And it’s not to say that all spiritual men are like that. Not at all. I love to learn from both men and women if I find them genuine. 

And It’s not because men are bad and women are good, but because of the gender roles we’re taught, social constructs that we were internalized. Women are conditioned to underestimate and suppress themselves, men, to overestimate and dominate, and it plays out exactly that way. 

I don’t think this is evolutionary.

Frankly, I see evolutionary psychology as pseudoscience, deeply biased. In fact, evidence show many ancient societies were more egalitarian, with both men and women sharing power. 

That’s not to say there aren’t psychological differences between male and female brains. Honestly, I don’t know for sure. Hormones definitely shape our brains in subtle ways (I feel it at least with my menstrual cycle). But we are more than hormones, more than biological machines. Humans are really really complex. 

Edited May 16 by Lila9

[Flowerfaeiry]

On 5/11/2025 at 10:06 AM, TheGod said:

I don’t think I’ve ever met a god-realized guy in real life and I’m assuming with women it would be even worse. I want to know how valid my assumption is. 
 
My intuition is also telling me that it’s so much more difficult for women to catch what god is because they mostly lack spiritual wisdom and intelligence. On the other hand, since they are more social beings they depend on society more, therefore, it is extra challenging for them. 
 

Lastly, what I mean by God-realization is pure understanding of one’s nature. I’m not talking about New Age bullshit or energy nonsense, 10th eye or communications with avatars or whatever horseshit 

Thank you

As a WOMAN, I am highly offended. Women mostly lack spiritual wisdom? Aaaahahahahahah. Women generally tend to be way more spiritually in tune than men. Generally much more sensitive, intuitive and loving. If you’re talking “men are generally more philosophical than women” I’ll give you that. 
 

Do you have an understanding of your nature? Or are you just used to regurgitating a man’s psychedelic-fueled visions?? 
 

Granted I haven’t done 5meo so I can’t speak to it but I have done more psychedelics than most the people on this forum. 
 

 

[Yimpa]

 

Edited May 16 by Yimpa

[TheGod]

37 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

As a WOMAN, I am highly offended. Women mostly lack spiritual wisdom? Aaaahahahahahah. Women generally tend to be way more spiritually in tune than men. Generally much more sensitive, intuitive and loving. If you’re talking “men are generally more philosophical than women” I’ll give you that. 
 

Do you have an understanding of your nature? Or are you just used to regurgitating a man’s psychedelic-fueled visions?? 
 

Granted I haven’t done 5meo so I can’t speak to it but I have done more psychedelics than most the people on this forum. 
 

 

You've just proved my point 

[Flowerfaeiry]

28 minutes ago, TheGod said:

You've just proved my point 

Ahahahahahahahahhahaabhahaha touche

[Flowerfaeiry]

@TheGod Sorry. I don’t know you. But that was by far one of the most out of touch things I’ve read on this forum. 

[aurum]

I'd advise caution with associating spirituality with SD Green. SD Green is important, but it's not strictly the same as spiritual understanding.

Edited May 16 by aurum

[TheGod]

29 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

@TheGod Sorry. I don’t know you. But that was by far one of the most out of touch things I’ve read on this forum. 

You're funny