Leo, How Many God-Realized Women Have You Met?

[Lila9]

It’s difficult for me to believe that a man, especially in this era, can be God-realized or spiritually developed in any deep and meaningful sense. It exists but it’s more rare than proclaimed by men, in my opinion. Men often tend to overestimate themselves so it’s hard to take their claims about spiritual development seriously. 

Just by observing men, especially straight men, most seem consumed by sex or money, and are emotionally repressed, even in older ages. It’s hard to imagine that this kind of person would be open enough to evolve spiritually or achieve higher states of awakening.

The male brain tends to be more conservative and closed. Just look at the current major religions, the Abrahamic religions, even science and capitalism, they were all created by men, for men. These systems are anti-spiritual in many ways, especially when compared to ancient traditions rooted in feminine energy, which were far more spiritually advanced.

 

I believe women possess deeper spiritual gifts, natural curiosity, and sharp intuition, yet these qualities are repressed from a young age.

In ancient times, women were often the spiritual leaders. Some even believe it was women who developed practices like yoga, designed around the rhythms of the female body, including the menstrual cycle.

Women who continued practicing the old, earth-rooted religions were branded as witches, demonized, hunted, and burned by patriarchal powers. That fear of women’s spiritual power runs deep. It’s ancient. And it’s still here.

Since the rise of patriarchal religions, women have been collectively socialized, under the threat of violence, to suppress their natural curiosity, their spiritual hunger, their creativity and intuition. Instead, they were taught to be pleasing, beautiful, and subservient. Their sacred fire was replaced with the hollow role of servant.

And this is devastating to the soul.

Unfortunately, many women are still trapped in that prison. They’ve forgotten their powers. They’ve been taken hostage by spiritually immature, repressed men.

 

And when it comes to truth…

I find it hard to believe that men care for truth in any deep or sincere way. Most don’t even consider it. What they care about is ego: to be seen as someone who seeks truth, to appear virtuous. But beneath the mask, they cling tightly to their biases.

It’s about the appearance and being socially accepted by other men, not the substance. They compete with one another, not for wisdom, but for dominance.

And while that competition might sometimes push them toward spiritual practice, it just as often corrupts them.

Women, by contrast, don’t tend to care about appearing spiritual. They don’t chase spiritual status. They live it. They sink into it so deeply, so instinctively, that they don’t even glance around to compare. They don’t have time for ladders. They’re busy swimming in the ocean.

 

[integral]

@TheGod the best you could hope for is a woman that listens to what you say and agrees with you for the most part

[TheGod]

 

 

On 11/05/2025 at 6:35 PM, Emerald said:

The Feminine spiritual path is to wake up and recognize that you are God in a virtual reality video game and to embrace the illusion of the video game... so that you can experience the meaning and beauty of being the avatar.

The Masculine path is about the embrace of the emptiness of meaning, non-duality, transcendence, Truth, the non-physical, perfection, and Godliness.

The Masculine spiritual path is to wake up and recognize that you are God in a virtual reality video game and to continue playing the video game from a  place of detachment because you never let yourself get too immersed in the gameplay or too attached. 

The path is non-dual. There is no feminine or masculine path because God is both. 

[TheGod]

17 minutes ago, integral said:

@TheGod the best you could hope for is a woman that listens to what you say and agrees with you for the most part

Without any idea what I'm talking about 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

It’s about the appearance and being socially accepted by other men, not the substance. They compete with one another, not for wisdom, but for dominance.

Awakening has nothing to do with this.

To even think of it that way is absurd.

Spiritual development technically has nothing to do with Awakening. No human concern touches or matters to Awakening. Development is irrelevant to Consciousness.

Do not confuse any human concerns or behaviors with Consciousness.

Edited May 13 by Leo Gura

[Lila9]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Awakening has nothing to do with this.

To even think of it that way is absurd.

Spiritual development technically has nothing to do with Awakening. No human concern touches or matters to Awakening. Development is irrelevant to Consciousness.

Do not confuse any human concerns or behaviors with Consciousness.

This is the point, the absurdity of it. That men often treat awakening or spiritual development as another competition in the external world, which it isn’t.
 

It’s as if you have an imaginary ladder or something, and you usually place yourself near the top lol 
 

I’ve never heard a woman proclaim she is the most awakened person in the world, nor have I often seen a woman too concerned about those definitions, because women are often too immersed in spirituality to care about such definitions and this false “spiritual hierarchy.”
This is a man monkey game.

 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, TheGod said:

The path is non-dual. There is no feminine or masculine path because God is both. 

What I have experienced is that there are many 'games' that God plays with itself through human incarnations.

So, while Consciousness itself is non-dual... there is no single path or game that Consciousness plays with itself through the human experience.

But the most apt descriptions based on my medicine journeys is to call my path (the path of embodiment) as Feminine and the path I was previously on (the path of transcendence) as the Masculine path.

Truthfully, most people are on the path of embodiment, as truly resonating with the path of transcendence is quite rare. It's just not a very popular game to want to play as a human being... even though enlightenment sounds good to the ears of the ego.

Even most people who claim to be walking the path of transcendence don't actually want to deep down. That was me before I became conscious of my true spiritual preferences. 

Honestly, if I really preferred the path of transcendence, I'd probably have incarnated as some male monk somewhere who lives his entire life in a monastery.

[Wilhelm44]

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

What I have experienced is that there are many 'games' that God plays with itself through human incarnations.

So, while Consciousness itself is non-dual... there is no single path or game that Consciousness plays with itself through the human experience.

But the most apt descriptions based on my medicine journeys is to call my path (the path of embodiment) as Feminine and the path I was previously on (the path of transcendence) as the Masculine path.

Truthfully, most people are on the path of embodiment, as truly resonating with the path of transcendence is quite rare. It's just not a very popular game to want to play as a human being... even though enlightenment sounds good to the ears of the ego.

Even most people who claim to be walking the path of transcendence don't actually want to deep down. That was me before I became conscious of my true spiritual preferences. 

Honestly, if I really preferred the path of transcendence, I'd probably have incarnated as some male monk somewhere who lives his entire life in a monastery.

But surely to combine transcendence and embodiment, would be better than just focusing on one path to the exclusion of the other ? And is it even really possible to exclude, because it seems like when people just focus on transcendence for example, that life actually begins to force them to also look at embodiment. Maybe the Beauty with a capital B is revealed in combining the masculine and feminine path.

Edited May 13 by Wilhelm44

[Salvijus]

9 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Okay but the experience can rewire your brain to experience a permanent shift in consciousness.  
Look at all the NDE experiencers who permanently lose fear of death. It wasn't the content of the experience it was that the experience literally changed their brain.

Fair point. Psychedelics can contribute to one's journey. But having seen the end doesn't mean you're there yet. Psychedelics don't really give you any real advantage to the ascention of the spirit. Often it will only complicate your journey if not degrade you. 

 

[Salvijus]

Unfortunately for women it is the masculine that awakens first. It is the masculine that holds the space for the feminine to blossom. If you're a man and you can't see women who have blossomed in their conciousness, understand that that's because of you doing a lousy job at being a man. Your lack of fertility is what is causing a barren soil on which nothing can grow. 

Edited May 13 by Salvijus

[Vynce]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Awakening has nothing to do with this.

To even think of it that way is absurd.

Spiritual development technically has nothing to do with Awakening. No human concern touches or matters to Awakening. Development is irrelevant to Consciousness.

Do not confuse any human concerns or behaviors with Consciousness.

There are countless practical benefits of spiritual and cognitive development. 
Are there any practical benefits to awakening? Or is it just love for loves sake?
 

Because epistemically I value what is most present to me most. And that is in 99.9999% of states everyday practical life.

Do you have any steel mans for awakening? Or does it completely transcend anything practical?

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Unfortunately for women it is the masculine that awakens first. It is the masculine that holds the space for the feminine to blossom. If you're a man and you can't see women who have blossomed in their conciousness, understand that that's because of you doing a lousy job at being a man. Your lack of fertility is what is causing a barren soil on which nothing can grow. 

That sounds like bs. Are you saying that a woman's awakening is dependent on being around an awakened guy ?

[Salvijus]

52 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

That sounds like bs. Are you saying that a woman's awakening is dependent on being around an awakened guy ?

The masculine quality of primordial awareness in a collective human conciousness has to create enough space for a feminine energy of Devine will and love to find full expression. Otherwise the feminine will be suppressed and beaten down. That's what has been happening for a long time. Flower depends on the fertility of the soil. Soil without a flower has no meaning in life. Masculine builds a house, feminine makes it a home. If you want to see women blossoming to their full potential, you have to do your own role better first. It's the collective infertility of men that is the problem, not the women. 

Edited May 13 by Salvijus

[Sugarcoat]

I think if you were god realized you could kinda just look someone in the eyes and see it, or feel their presence. I remember I worked as a cashier, and one time there was this one guy, and our eyes locked, and it was not flirtatious, then like a week later I walked pass him outside and he waved at me, it’s like I could feel his presence, and see it in his eyes. It was like no other encounter. This was after I had my major “shift” (don’t know if I was to call  it awakening). 

I imagine someone like sadghuru would almost immediately sense someone like himself. I’m not sure though 

Edited May 13 by Sugarcoat

[Wilhelm44]

39 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The masculine quality of primordial awareness in a collective human conciousness has to create enough space for a feminine energy of Devine will and love to find full expression. Otherwise the feminine will be suppressed and beaten down. That's what has been happening for a long time. Flower depends on the fertility of the soil. Soil without a flower has no meaning in life. Masculine builds a house, feminine makes it a home. If you want to see women blossoming to their full potential, you have to do your own role better first. It's the collective infertility of men that is the problem, not the women. 

What do you mean by collective infertility of men ? Somehow I feel it's just the collective ignorance of men and woman that's the problem. Seems a bit disempowering towards woman to say that they need to wait for men to wake up before they can wake up. How about just say - take responsibility for your awakening process, whether your a man or a woman. The masculine quality of primordial awareness is something that woman can access for themselves. The feminine energy of love is something that men can access for themselves. 

[Salvijus]

19 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

The masculine quality of primordial awareness is something that woman can access for themselves. The feminine energy of love is something that men can access for themselves. 

If the space is not available, love will have trouble blossoming in both males and females. Transcended awareness comes easier for men. Love comes easier for women. We add to the collective by fulfilling our roles in cultivating these qualities. 

19 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Seems a bit disempowering towards woman to say that they need to wait for men to wake up before they can wake up.

You have to read it the right way. We are both interdependent on each other. It's not disempowring. It's complimentary and beautiful. 

19 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How about just say - take responsibility for your awakening process, whether your a man or a woman.

I agree with this. I was addressing a different energy in the room - the superiority energy of men and cockiness around it. That's the energy that is blocking the manifestation of the feminine. That's what I meant by men being impotent at doing their role properly. 

Edited May 13 by Salvijus

[Nemra]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Somehow I feel it's just the collective ignorance of men and woman that's the problem. Seems a bit disempowering towards woman to say that they need to wait for men to wake up before they can wake up. How about just say - take responsibility for your awakening process, whether your a man or a woman. The masculine quality of primordial awareness is something that woman can access for themselves. The feminine energy of love is something that men can access for themselves. 

The fact that a person would label "primordial awareness" as masculine is the problem.

People love to label everything as feminine or masculine and gaslight themselves. It is cringe.

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, Nemra said:

The fact that a person would label "primordial awareness" as masculine is the problem.

People love to label everything as feminine or masculine and gaslight themselves. It is cringe.

Don't be too quick to judge what you don't understand. 

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Don't be too quick to judge what you don't understand. 

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Lol. That's a funny picture. 

But if you're going to say I don't understand what I'm talking about, then you'll need arguments. Otherwise it's empty of substance. And based on your previous comment, I doubt you have any. Therefor my reply was as it was. 

Edited May 13 by Salvijus