Does hell exist?

[Sugarcoat]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Normally, people are terrified of not being accepted. Most psychological problems stem from not being fully accepted and not accepting oneself. Balance and happiness are equated with being accepted and loved. Most people find a way to fit in, and depending on their advantageous fit, they consider themselves more or less happy.

It's as if someone told you: "I'll give you a million." For a few days, you'd be happy and wouldn't have existential thoughts about death, the fragility of the body, and the meaninglessness and emptiness of existence. People focus on what they can get; they escape with alcohol, fiction, and sex. Sex is essential. Not only to do it, but to think that when you find your ideal partner, then you'll be happy. And when you have a partner, you think that at some point the relationship will make you happy. You just have to work at it a little more. Spirituality is also important : When I am spiritually fulfilled, I will be happy.

People are not truly connected to their true selves, to their real feelings about life. They take refuge in an illusion of security and don't face life head-on, as that would be dramatic. This way, they function day after day in a functional, unsatisfactory state, lacking fulfillment. But it could be worse. Don't complain, and put on a brave face. What else to do?

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[Oppositionless]

On 5/8/2025 at 4:13 PM, Hojo said:

@Someone here the only thing I am scared of is dying. I have minute fears like getting my testicle chopped off yes. There are things I don't want to happen if that is fear then I am scared of alot of things. The fear of death took over my life for so long that I never had a chance to be scared of anything else. I don't want to be embarrassed and if it happens then I will deal with it but I am not scared of it. I do go out of my way to not be embarrassed so you could say im scared of that too.

In some of your previous posts you've mentioned how you're not exactly afraid of death, what you're afraid of is hell, or eternal suffering. I remember you were saying how much nicer it would be if death was what materialism predicts , just nothing at all. And I have to say, I sometimes feel the same. The latent Christianity I was indoctrinated with has been coming back up to be processed lately and the thought of getting sent to hell, despite irrational , looms in the background for me. Unfortunately for us, the only way out is through . We need to stay conscious and not shy away from the fear so it can be actually processed and not suppressed. Maybe some tripping could help too. Also, recognizing that HELL is a human construct used to control. But that still doesn't make it easy if you have religious trauma.

I remember telling you about Gnosticism and the new age soul farm hypothesis , and now I want to emphasize that I don't actually believe it, rather it's a useful metaphor that both validates our fears and gives us an oppurtunity to do something about it, even if it's just symbolic.

Edited Saturday at 10:20 PM by Oppositionless

[Hojo]

@Oppositionless Yes I have said that and I mean I was afraid of death. Dying will still be scary but not in like an existential way like it was. Its more of I dont know scary. It becomes something you gotta do but you know its not the end so its like doing something you wouldnt ordinarily do scary instead of OMFG panic attacks I was having before from the fear. It becomes like the type of scary if someone told you you had to go out and sing in front of a medium sized quiet crowd for no reason. You just gotta go through it and something else happens.

It would be like someone saying one time in your life you are going to have to jump off a 8000 ft diving board into a pool and you dont get to practice you just gotta run and jump and do it, without having to run and jump or do anything. The board will appear at a random time and when it does you just have to run and jump.

When I awaken I saw I wasnt scared of dying I was coming to a logical misconsistency in my brain and that was pointing to god and I was having panic attacks from it or mini awakenings. Like my brain would go silent and I would sit there and I would get a feeling of im going to die and my brain would logically come up with that I am going to die and nothing matters and my memories are already gone and I am never going to exist again. The reaction would set my logical mind into a loop about dying and I assimilated that with dying and I sent myself into full blown panic for like 20 years.

The consistency was that I exist. I am naturally super meditative so I would be having no self experiences for no reason beside sitting there and that was pointing to  the logic brain that I am already dead and my memories dont exist and I wasnt understanding it completely.

Eventually I couldnt just sit there my chat gpt would just start pumping out that Im going to die and I would react to it over and over and over. I had to focus my mind on something else before I went to bed every night and nothing worked until I just started thinking about fuking everything. So for 20 years I had to put myself to sleep by thinking about fucking women and men sometimes just cause I got bored now my brain is fked up and I cant stop thinking about sex but the panic attacks are cured.

Whats better for the body to think about than sex give me an idea so I can figure this out.

I was never scared of hell I was too busy being scared of dying to be scared of hell. I stopped being a Christian at 5 or 6 so I never gave the religion any credit. My mom let me decide what I wanted.

Edited Saturday at 10:39 PM by Hojo

[Yimpa]

42 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

 

[Oppositionless]

18 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Oppositionless Yes I have said that and I mean I was afraid of death. Dying will still be scary but not in like an existential way like it was. Its more of I dont know scary. It becomes something you gotta do but you know its not the end so its like doing something you wouldnt ordinarily do scary instead of OMFG panic attacks I was having before from the fear. It becomes like the type of scary if someone told you you had to go out and sing in front of a medium sized quiet crowd for no reason. You just gotta go through it and something else happens.

 

 

Keep in mind that when Leo says there's something after death, it's not something he believes. Leo never "believed" in an afterlife, and nonexistence is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis pre-awakening. That's why I'm so critical of people's afterlife theories. Hell even an afterlife doesn't necessitate any kind of continuation of the personal self, of memory. If "you" got reincarnated into a medieval torture machine as you mentioned, that might not really be "you."
Also, another point, if you did have an awakening into immortality, it's statistically more likely to come from a heavenly experience than a hellish one.

The experience you had seems like just the very tip of awakening, not a full breakthrough. If you had reached full breakthrough , you'd be in bliss , not agony.

I hope  this helps a little bit. 🙏

 

Edited Saturday at 10:43 PM by Oppositionless

[Hojo]

@Oppositionless I know there is something. Thats what God means. We dont exist God exists. What you are using to experience yourself is God and God is forever and thats what exists not yourself.

You just enter the place between thoughts for awhile.

Edited Saturday at 10:44 PM by Hojo

[Hojo]

 @Oppositionless I am not describing my awakening I am describing what led to it. My awakening showed me we are here to suffer and then explode and I was doing the fear to myself on purpose.

Edited Saturday at 10:49 PM by Hojo

[Oppositionless]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Oppositionless I know there is something. Thats what God means. We dont exist God exists. What you are using to experience yourself is God and God is forever and thats what exists not yourself.

You just enter the place between thoughts for awhile.

Yes something continues but you don't know what that is. You don't know if it would be something that can remember your human self, and therefore you don't know if there's even anything you know of as you left to care what happens . 

[Hojo]

@Oppositionless Its only God. If you know God you know yourself in every being.

Edited Saturday at 10:51 PM by Hojo

[Hojo]

@Oppositionless Are you scared of dying or not knowing?

Dying isnt real

You dont know anything right now you are making up that you know something.

Edited Saturday at 10:54 PM by Hojo

[Oppositionless]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Oppositionless Are you scared of dying or not knowing?

Primarily of not knowing. I like being a person, so the thought of consciousness continuing without any memory connection to my present life is what scares me. It doesn't help that basic nonduality, not god realization, seems to advocate a view where death is more or less an eternal k hole. When Bernardo Kastrup talked about his theory of the afterlife it gave me an existential crisis, lol.
 

And I'm a little scared of hell, that there will be a memory connection to my new life, but it won't be a good place.

A pretty common theme of salvia trips is turning into an inanimate object for years, that freaks me out too. That would be a kind of hell. But yeah, not knowing is scary. I put a little faith in Leo who says death is infinite love, but because I haven't experienced that I don't take that faith too seriously.

Edited Saturday at 11:00 PM by Oppositionless

[Hojo]

@OppositionlessNot knowing is a good thing. What if it was written in stone? Not knowing means you can literally make anything up. Why are you focusing on the negative purely? You have people saying they became literal Gods too after taking psychedelics.

Since your infinite focusing on negative is a trap because it can be that way why purposefully make it that way? Whats happening here?

You havent experienced being an inanimate object have you? Why beleive them if you havent.

If you have a choice between imagining about being a God or a cupboard why are you focusing on the cupboard? If you became God you would be so scared of being a cupboard you would become one cause thats what you are identifying with.

Imagine whatever God thinks it becomes you would be permanently turning into negative things from fear this is Gods trap it made. Since God can do anything it will think about negative things get scared and get trapped thinking about negative things.

It said if I fall into that trap its cause im retarded and I deserve it cause I am literally God! How dare I forget my own perfection!

You are scared of a thought loop not Dying or unknown. Its imaginary words. Unknown is not a thing its not known you cant be scared of it.

Sadhguru -'Your imagination and intellect are working against you.'

We have no idea if salvia is the doorway to experience inanimate objects only and if you dont smoke it you never experience it. It could be the door way to inanimate infinity we have no idea. And since we are using our intellect correctly no reason to speculate cause we could be thinking about God instead its way cooler and we feel better by doing it. If it ever happens what are you going to do. Thinking about it now wont help it will only hurt.

Edited Saturday at 11:34 PM by Hojo