What is state according to Leo Gura?

[Terell Kirby]

I recall vividly when my state shift happened. This was after a solid 6-8 months of contemplating Leo’s works and trying to bake insights, it was tiring .. I was doing the entire thing manually.

One day at a nightclub near the dance floor it just happened. At the time I couldn’t tell what it was but something about my perception changed, something deep. It’s the sharp and immediate feeling of everything making sense … what’s funny is it made me recontextualize all the Actualized teachings I had absorbed over those 6-8 months, though I can’t definitively say my intense contemplation of such things is what caused the breakthrough- maybe it did, maybe it didn’t.

Once a state is achieved, it only deepens (in my experience). It’s a baseline from which all thoughts generate. I am at times insecure about my Awakening because it was done without psychedelics. Some meditation was involved, but not anything super hardcore- I’m not so insecure about it anymore, because I’ve also realized no one can validate/invalidate it. My direct experience speaks for itself —never to be shared or talked about to anyone but myself because I’m imagining everything 

Edited May 8 by Terell Kirby

[PolyPeter]

5 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

it only deepens

once you see it you cannot unsee it! epic

[PolyPeter]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Before listening to Leo's content and him saying that consciousness is everything..didn't you (like 99% of people) thought of sleep(deep sleep ) as unconsciousness? 

 

Hmm, at some point yes, of course, like thinking that if you hit your head really hard, you go unconscious. But then I started to understand consciousness directly, through practicing meditation with the sole intention of trying to know what I was, who I was, and what the hell is actually going on in the universe.

I remember a particular deep meditation session, I remained still, and could see that beyond my body, and beyond my mind, there I was. The I am. I am consciousness. I am Awareness. 

unconsciousness cannot exist, not because I say so, but because there is nothing outside consciousness. 

[aurum]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

@aurum God is the simulation its playing itself its the only thing that exists. Its a void of nothing that made a simulation. Imagine like an AI that already had all the information inside of it and then it gained conciousness. Where did all this information come from? Oh my God this information is what I am.

Simulation is not the right framing.

Simulation implies there's a real thing (the simulator) and a fake thing (the simulation). And often the simulation is meant to mimic the reality, but isn't actually it.

This is loaded with ontological mistakes.

Look around at your experience. This is as real as real gets. There is not another, deeper, "more real" layer of reality.

[aurum]

3 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

let me guess... ANOTHER SIMULATION!!! 

I am the simulator 

[Hojo]

@aurumIts just the simulation playing itself. There is a thing (nothing behind your eyes) playing the simulation (itself). Nothing dosent exist inside the simulation its a trick the simulation uses to pretend to be something in the simulation. Point your hand at the wall the distance between your hand and the wall dosent exist in physical reality Nothing is makingit appear as if there is a distance.

Edited May 8 by Hojo

[Reciprocality]

7 hours ago, AION said:

I don’t like the word seriousness because it feels like an attribute of a grumpy old man.

@AION Schopenhauer would describe seriousness as the consequence of the firm belief that reality is no different than ones idea of it.

I buy it.

[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

@AION Schopenhauer would describe seriousness as the consequence of the firm belief that reality is no different than ones idea of it.

I buy it.

I like that one. 

[Osaid]

40 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Perceive what?

Nothing, really. What you described is not perception. Just like not seeing, not hearing, etc. Those are distinctions, which would be other than perception.

41 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

You just wouldn't know what you are not perceiving

No one knows what they aren't perceiving, because it's not perceived. Just like no one knows about Santa.

If someone said they knew about Santa, it would be belief (not experienced), not something actually known.

[aurum]

11 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@aurumIts just the simulation playing itself. There is a thing (nothing behind your eyes) playing the simulation (itself). Nothing dosent exist inside the simulation its a trick the simulation uses to pretend to be something in the simulation. Point your hand at the wall the distance between your hand and the wall dosent exist in physical reality Nothing is makingit appear as if there is a distance.

The distance is absolute truth! 

Imagination becomes reality.

[PolyPeter]

58 minutes ago, aurum said:

I am the simulator 

AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[PolyPeter]

33 minutes ago, aurum said:

absolute truth! 

This

[Leo Gura]

Reality is not a simulation, it is a stim-you-lation.

I am the stim-you-lator 

Edited May 8 by Leo Gura

[PolyPeter]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Reality is not a simulation, it is a stim-you-lation.

I am the stim-you-lator 

Mind stimulator 
Ego terminator 

[AION]

The closest that comes that explain the mechanics of consciousness is quantum mechanics. 

Books like reality trans surfing are very fruitful books and although it doesn’t explain the true nature of consciousness, it is very practical and it works. 
 

Theories are at the end of the day just maps. And even the best map is just a map. And Leo’s theories are just maps too. Not ultimate truth because ultimate truth can be put in words. Because we can’t capture infinite truth in the finite words. 
 

How I see fabric of consciousness is in Carl Jung’s way. All there is just consciousness and unconsciousness. What is within the light of your consciousness is consciousness and everything outside of that is your unconsciousness. With psychedelics and shit your consciousness can become so bright that it extends much further than what you can see right now. 

Your life is just a flame in the dark like Prometheus. That is the best metaphor you can use for existence. 

[Yimpa]

How Can Leo Gura Be Real If Our Brains Do Not
Exist

 

[Breakingthewall]

From a human perspective, there are different levels of consciousness. Being a rapist is not the same as being Buddha. But from an absolute perspective, they are exactly the same: two centers of consciousness that are the product of infinite synchronized centers of consciousness, which in turn give rise to an infinite branching of possible relationships.

The level of consciousness, from a human perspective, refers to the level of openness to the whole, which is inversely proportional to the density of the conditioned animal mind. The more attached you are to your animal instincts, the lower your level. But that's just a subjective distinction. From an absolute perspective it's the same a battle with axes than people meditating in a temple. Just possibilities that arises. 

[UnbornTao]

11 hours ago, Osaid said:

Nothing, really. What you described is not perception. Just like not seeing, not hearing, etc. Those are distinctions, which would be other than perception.

No one knows what they aren't perceiving, because it's not perceived. Just like no one knows about Santa.

If someone said they knew about Santa, it would be belief (not experienced), not something actually known.

"Santa" is not in the same domain as the availability of a perceptive organ, hence the comparison between humans and earthworms. If your argument is that perception is infinite, it clearly is a relative, biological function, just like a computer needs some sort of hardware to exist. I don't see how distinction relates to this discussion. Perception seems to occur as an activity, that's the claim. How do you see perception?

[gettoefl]

State is the extent to which I am blocking God.

Pinnacle of state is absence of hate.

Attacking any human being

is me playacting not being God

because I know better

despite suffering up to and including death.

[Hojo]

14 hours ago, aurum said:

Simulation is not the right framing.

Simulation implies there's a real thing (the simulator) and a fake thing (the simulation). And often the simulation is meant to mimic the reality, but isn't actually it.

This is loaded with ontological mistakes.

Look around at your experience. This is as real as real gets. There is not another, deeper, "more real" layer of reality.

If you think something is happening then you are living in the false world. In the simulation nothing is happening. You are living in a false world by acknowledging that anything has happened. And if you agree that nothing is happening then you are lying to fit into the simulation. Because clearly things are happening to you.

Edited May 8 by Hojo