Is Latin America the most red region in the world?

[Leo Gura]

Brazil is a developmental hellhole. It is not Green.

Thailand also not.

You can find hippie Green retreat centers around the world, but this has virtually nothing to do with a nation's actual development level.

Edited December 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[quantumspiral]

4 hours ago, Ayham said:

Hi from Iraq, I don't know about Latin America but it is red af here, but I would say more blue depending on the place.

Some areas and settings are very red, some are very blue, and some are very orange, a green area is nonexistent for example.  

BTW, in Iraq, lawyers are jobless (and also everyone lol) because most of the time, the "law" gets implemented by clans, like, your last name is your clan, each clan has a head chief or something, people use their clans to get back at people and stuff, either through taking money from people or sometimes it evolves into a gun fight.

But actually Iraq is developing a lot recently, like in the last few years, it is becoming much more orange, these stuff are getting rare, I just hope nothing happens in Iraq because we are just getting ourselves together lol (since the tensions in the middle east are fire right now).

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

[Not me]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Brazil is a developmental hellhole. It is not Green.

Thailand also not.

You can find hippie Green retreat centers around the world, but this has virtually nothing to do with a nation's actual development level.

100%! I did an exchange year there 6 years ago and it felt light years behind Finland (where I’m from). 
 

My high school geography teacher there didn’t believe in climate change, and the justification she gave was: ”The ice in the north pole melts every summer anyways.”

I was mindblown.

 

[Ramanujan]

14 hours ago, Basman said:

Africa is likely the least developed continent in the world despite being the richest in terms of natural resources. It has great geographical challenges which makes it extremely expensive to export wares.

france and United Kingdom exploited Africa for 5 centuries

[Alex4]

17 hours ago, Verg0 said:

@Leo Gura

And some warmer regions? (Asking for personal bias - I'm planning to move next year) 

If you have money and your income  will not depend on the local economy, Barcelona. But keep in mind that rent is quite expensive. 

Edited December 16, 2024 by Alex4

[quantumspiral]

@Leo Gura You should go to the south of Brazil. Many parts on a par with Western Europe

Edited December 16, 2024 by quantumspiral

[Basman]

7 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

france and United Kingdom exploited Africa for 5 centuries

Its a contributing factor but not the sole one. Bad geography is way more pertinent today.

[quantumspiral]

@Basman That's why Africans always thrive as soon as they leave their challenging geography, right?

[Not me]

@quantumspiral definitely not true, unless you’re comparing to the worst parts of Western Europe

Edited December 16, 2024 by Not me

[quantumspiral]

@Not me I would say Curitiba is- although admittedly I've not spent more than a couple months there.

[Recursoinominado]

On 12/15/2024 at 0:46 PM, Leo Gura said:

Brazil is a developmental hellhole. It is not Green.

Yeah, we are mostly red/blue, with some orange and even less green.

[Not me]

2 hours ago, quantumspiral said:

@Not me I would say Curitiba is- although admittedly I've not spent more than a couple months there.

Fair enough. I’ve only lived in RS so can’t know for sure either.

[Fountainbleu]

On 12/15/2024 at 8:47 AM, Nilsi said:

Spiral Dynamics is such a disgusting piece of ideological weaponry.

I've been asking this question myself for a long time now. That's why I haven't read the Spiral Dynamics (Don Beck) book yet. Have you? A long time ago, I decided consciousness>Spiral Dynamics. But now I'm focussing more on the human, I think I could grow a lot from reading and studying it.

Edited December 17, 2024 by Fountainbleu

[Leo Gura]

Remember that you can always find isolated pockets of higher development almost anywhere. The real issue is the level of development of the average person and the institutions, not an isolated pocket of wealth and luxury.

Yes, there are luxury resorts for Westerners even in Africa or Afghanistan.

A millionaire in Africa or India can live pretty well in a private gated community.

Edited December 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Consept]

Travelling around Colombia, I would see it's predominantly blue, most towns have a church as the main center point in the town square and the people in general are quite religious and try, although sometimes fail to follow a God fearing path. Obviously there's a crime element as well but I wouldn't say it was the majority. Another thing I learned doing a tour in medelllin through one of Comunas, is that when it was very violent and crime was high, there weren't many opportunities for people, there were also issues with the farq guerrillas who would pressure people towards crime. The mayor invested heavily in the Comuna, which encouraged more tourists to visit and in turn gave local people a chance to make money from the tourists and then crime rates dropped. 

So essentially peoples level is impacted heavily by survival, I guess we all knew this but seeing it in action in this way was very eye opening. 

[CARDOZZO]

Average brazilian is blue with orange dots here and there.

[El Zapato]

ahem... ChatGPT is tripping on this one:

Jungles and deserts tend to have a deleterious effect on development but that notwithstanding the greatest issue with lands south of the American border is a very long history of exploitation.  Mistreat a child and the legacy remains for generations, mistreat an entire continent and the legacy remains for centuries. The interesting thing that many Americans misunderstand, even fear is that sociologists have termed the U.S. Southern border as a 'Darwinian Filter'.  While largely unrecognized by the conscious mind that nagging 'sense' continues to niggle at the American consciousness.

One of the very large and ongoing 'psychological' issues that plague 'Southern Americans' is a fear of the exploitative nature of its legacy starting with Europeans and ending with their people mimicking the behavior.  The big boogie man?  Authoritarianism in the form of 'Communism'.  They just cannot let that go and will favor a 'fascist state over Communism' despite the fact they are essentially the same thing.

It is very frustrating for me, but you know at our core we are all hopelessly foolish.  As one study demonstrated Pigeons have better judgement when determining outcomes.

 

 

 

[El Zapato]

Just for fun, my DNA results say I'm 20% Mexican-Native American and 10% Peruvian-Native American.  That makes me both Aztec and Incan, yeah, I'm bad!  I am in the line of Eva Longoria and directly descended from this unfortunate individual:

The Incan mummy

https://www.tiktok.com/@livin.lavina.loca/video/7439012207624490286

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by El Zapato

[quantumspiral]

@El Zapato I thought the Spanish killed all the Aztecs 

[Guest Nilsi]

18 hours ago, Fountainbleu said:

I've been asking this question myself for a long time now. That's why I haven't read the Spiral Dynamics (Don Beck) book yet. Have you? A long time ago, I decided consciousness>Spiral Dynamics. But now I'm focussing more on the human, I think I could grow a lot from reading and studying it.

I've read it, along with most of Ken Wilber's oeuvre, and the conclusion is clear: these are serious creeps using the same imperialist language that's dominated U.S. foreign policy since the Spanish-American War.

Quote

 

“Societies stuck in mythic or magic stages of development must be gently but firmly brought into rational, modern, and postmodern realities if they are to thrive in the global world.”

 

If Wilber weren’t such a jargonite, we could play a fun drinking game: “Who said it - Wilber or U.S. foreign policy?”

At the end of the day, it’s just classic colonizer talk.