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https://spotlight.ebu.ch/p/israeli-government-agency-paid-for
 

„An investigation by Eurovision News Spotlight has uncovered evidence that an agency of the Israeli government deployed cross-platform advertising and used state social media accounts to directly target and encourage the public in participating countries to vote for the Israeli entry in the Eurovision Song Contest. 

The Israeli Government Advertising Agency, which serves various government offices, corporations, government-owned companies, and publicly-owned enterprises, placed advertisements across Google products. They also provided instructions on how to vote up to 20 times for the country’s representative in the 2025 contest held in Basel, Switzerland.

Although promoting a country's entry is permitted, social media users have raised concerns that these actions may contravene the spirit of the competition by potentially politicising or instrumentalising the voting process
 

Although the YouTube channel is not officially acknowledged as having any government ties, analysis of the Google Ads Transparency Center (Archived here) confirms that the advertisements were placed by the verified account of the Israeli Government Advertising Agency.
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@PurpleTree Even if Israel made a stronger campaign than most countries, this was important precisely to correct distortion and get more truthful results.

Why? Because the juries hold 50% of the power while representing only about 0.001% of the voters. They aren't a representative sample of their nations' complexities, but rather represent at most one or two sectors who usually lean significantly to the left compared to others due to their political tendencies that comes from the closed circles/bubbles of group think of their professional background.

They have proved to be undeniably enormously biased and in a complete opposition to the public, creating structures of allied votings which transparently homogeneously vote to favorite countries almost every year. In the context of this year, their fear of being called out by the public of their circles make this problem even worse.

So when Israel makes more people abroad vote, it actually make the results be closer to what they would be if 100% of the points came from the public.

Nevertheless this doesn't come to justify any of these tactics, but given the game isn't clean from both sides, their absolute influence has to be as equal as possible so they can offset each other.

The solution to this problem isn't to keep pushing those tactics, but to try to dialogue and work toward making the rules of this competition to become more balanced and less politically skewed.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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Sad how low Israeli politicans have fallen

They dont even seem like a democracy anymore

Say one thing against the narrative and you get forcefully kicked out

 

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On 2025-05-24 at 2:14 PM, Nivsch said:

@PurpleTree Even if Israel made a stronger campaign than most countries, this was important precisely to correct distortion and get more truthful results.

Why? Because the juries hold 50% of the power while representing only about 0.001% of the voters. They aren't a representative sample of their nations' complexities, but rather represent at most one or two sectors who usually lean significantly to the left compared to others due to their political tendencies that comes from the closed circles/bubbles of group think of their professional background.

They have proved to be undeniably enormously biased and in a complete opposition to the public, creating structures of allied votings which transparently homogeneously vote to favorite countries almost every year. In the context of this year, their fear of being called out by the public of their circles make this problem even worse.

So when Israel makes more people abroad vote, it actually make the results be closer to what they would be if 100% of the points came from the public.

Nevertheless this doesn't come to justify any of these tactics, but given the game isn't clean from both sides, their absolute influence has to be as equal as possible so they can offset each other.

The solution to this problem isn't to keep pushing those tactics, but to try to dialogue and work toward making the rules of this competition to become more balanced and less politically skewed.

I don’t agree. My country gave 12 points to Israel in the public vote and i think it’s fake. Israel seems really unpopular right now it’s almost impossible.

https://www.turkiyetoday.com/europe/israeli-eurovision-contestant-faces-boos-amid-manipulated-broadcast-with-fake-cheers-3201597

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@PurpleTree The EBU made it quite clear that the voting results are valid.

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/ebu-eurovision-rigged-public-vote-israel-m1p2a2be

Not everyone is a fanatic who generalize government actions on an entire nation.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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29 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@PurpleTree The EBU made it quite clear that the voting results are valid.

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/ebu-eurovision-rigged-public-vote-israel-m1p2a2be

Not everyone is a fanatic who generalize government actions on an entire nation.

Do you think Israel is very popular in Europe? So much so that so many country would give the highest points? Ridiculous

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@PurpleTree Israel is most likely controversial in Europe, and a really good song and performance are still necessary, and Israel brought that this year.

Also, the demographic tension in Europe, combined with the backlash the anti-Israel which are often too demonic and bizzare messages cause from the other part of the continent plays a significant role too.

Overall, perhaps Israel is really not as hated as the media shows, and many Europeans actually hold more diverse and nuanced views about it. The hate portrait against Israel turns out to be between a myth to a much more complex picture in reality.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@PurpleTree Israel is most likely controversial in Europe, and a really good song and performance are still necessary, and Israel brought that this year.

Also, the demographic tension in Europe, combined with the backlash the anti-Israel which are often too demonic and bizzare messages cause from the other part of the continent plays a significant role too.

Overall, perhaps Israel is really not as hated as the media shows, and many Europeans actually hold more diverse and nuanced views about it. The hate portrait against Israel turns out to be between a myth to a much more complex picture in reality.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1ktdn9l/open_letter_to_esc_community_from_martin_green_cbe/
 

Saying „not as hated“ i agree.

But getting the most votes of the European population is beyond ridiculous a few times in a row imo. Funny actually. Would have been funnier if Israel won.

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Before Netta has won in 2018, her song made Israel to be the favorite to win ESC in YouTube and the official site of the polling. This is an organic dynamic.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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