Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Theres a difference between science and scientISTS 

For example: 

Science says: we can't prove this with OUR methods, so claims about it being factual we call "pseudoscience" (thats literally what it means, not more than that)

ScientIST say: it is pseudoscience, THEREFOR it is probably bullshit

Crucial difference

That is a silly difference. Science is equally guilty as scientists.

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is a silly difference. Science is equally guilty as scientists.

science created some of your beloved psychedelics 😁

Im not saying science isn't limited, ofc it is, but I feel science itself at its core doesn't really claim otherwise, its my impression for now

Edited 23 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Osaid]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Theres a difference between science and scientISTS 

Agreed. Leo conflates materialism with science.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

science created some of your beloved psychedelics 😁

Im not saying science isn't limited, ofc it is, but I feel science itself at its core doesn't really claim otherwise, its my impression for now

God created your bedeviled science.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Osaid said:

Agreed. Leo conflates materialism with science.

Im not keen on all the definitions , but now I looked that up and yea I see what youre saying. 

Basically, I think sometimes, people will miss out on great value of something, because they are judging it , and a lot of judgment can be based sort of on the impression they get of the people who do it, rather than the core of it

In similar way ive seen people here claim "new age is not spiritual" I think its close minded 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

God created your bedeviled science.

The god part I have yet to see, maybe one day 😁

[Osaid]

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Basically, I think sometimes, people will miss out on great value of something, because they are judging it , and a lot of judgment can be based sort of on the impression they get of the people who do it, rather than the core of it

Yeah. Judgment is a belief, whereas reality isn't.

[Yimpa]

31 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

The god part I have yet to see, maybe one day 😁

Spoiler

Edited 22 hours ago by Yimpa

[Monster Energy]

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

The god part I have yet to see, maybe one day 😁

June 28, 2034 

 

[UnbornTao]

The critique could better be directed towards faith-based thinking, which is the underlying activity of religion, scientism, spirituality, atheism, other isms, etc.

Edited 21 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

June 28, 2034 

 

I have so many psychic experiences and synchronicities that when you wrote that I genuinely considered if you were right for a moment

 

[Yimpa]

[Oppositionless]

@Leo Gura I'm glad you made that post, the best creatives never specialize. lately I've been shooting videos, writing poems and making beats, I watched some of your earlier videos and suddenly became very creative with big vision, but I also credit that to 6 months of training kriya yoga daily even when I don't want to.

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

the best creatives never specialize.

Well, don't take that too far.

There are also highly creative specialists. It's more a matter of personal preference.

Edited 18 hours ago by Leo Gura

[ZenSwift]

On 28/12/2025 at 9:52 PM, Leo Gura said:

That is tough.

You have to somehow convince yourself it is the most important thing in the world.

What will convince you of that, I don't know. A major Awakening to God would help. Via a psychedelic. That's what convinces me the most.

Update on the Kriya Yoga practice motivation department:

I have been asking myself: What are the most meaningful things for me to be doing?

It currently appears to be:

• Raising my Consciousness
• Developing Mastery

I reflect on things I remember Leo saying: 

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Raising your consciousness is the only game in town. 

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The only thing that you take with you as you lose everything in life is your profound love of reality. And consciousness of reality. 

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The 3 Most Potent Practices for Raising Your Consciousness:

1) Intense Hardcore Meditation Retreats

2) Consistent Kriya Yoga

3) Psychedelics

 

 

And I combine it with a community challenge to practice Kriya 20 minutes in the morning and 20 minutes in the evening for the next 8 weeks. 

Plus, there's the good chance of going to Leo's retreat, and I want to put myself in a good condition for that. When I asked Leo what's the best thing I can do for preparation, he said Kriya Yoga. Roger that. 

I also remember reading Leo talking about him doing several sits of Kriya per day. Primarily with Maha Mudra and spinal breathing of some sort. As this had a Pareto principle level of gains just from those 2 practices. Something like that. So I'll likely eventually follow suit. 

On 28/12/2025 at 9:52 PM, Leo Gura said:

 

[Monster Energy]

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I have so many psychic experiences and synchronicities that when you wrote that I genuinely considered if you were right for a moment

 

Great. Now I’m starting to question it too.

 

[TheEnigma]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, don't take that too far.

There are also highly creative specialists. It's more a matter of personal preference.

Hey Leo, what's the difference between a deep green and a mild yellow in spiral dynamics? Aren't they both independent minded thinkers?

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, TheEnigma said:

Hey Leo, what's the difference between a deep green and a mild yellow in spiral dynamics? Aren't they both independent minded thinkers?

Well, in practice they are close enough to each other that there will be much overlap and muddling.

But there is a significant difference between Tier 1 and Tier 2. Tier 1 (Green) is not aware of the developmental psychology stages and still tries to force Green on every other stage. Yellow is supposed to be above that. That it a crucial difference. Whether mild Yellow can actually embody that difference is suspect, but a solid Yellow should, otherwise it's not really Yellow. Yellow should not be pushing his stage on everyone else who isn't yet ready for it.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is a silly difference. Science is equally guilty as scientists.

The purest form of science is very much needed. I don't think science as a principle or philosophy is bad at all... 🤔💭

The actual scientific method is essentially: how do we verify and discover reproducible steps toward a certain goal? How do we verify truth? If the goal were to deliver experiences of God or enlightenment in a reproducible way to people, you would still need some sort of discipline that attempts to do that systematically for most.

If, let's say, one day the goal of science became enlightenment or God, scientists would still need to create some form of methodology, synthetic psychedelics, or other interventions. For all of that, you would need very efficient, precise, granular studies of genes and molecular structures, as well as strong social sciences and psychological sciences, to administer and guide that type of transformation.

I don't think science as a method is horrible at all. Its current aims are often tied to materialism, pragmatism, business, and operating within capitalism. But if the aim were God, enlightenment, or spiritual realization, then the scientific method could integrate mysticism and spirituality. It would become something more aligned with Stage Orange's rigor, combined with Stage Yellow/Teal's integrative and spiritual perspective.

[Leo Gura]

Science is not some pure abstract thing. Science is whatever today's scientific consensus believes it is.

Science can be much better, but only if the consensus shifts, which it refuses to do.

Improving science is like pulling teeth.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura