Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Rafael Thundercat A lot of followers describe a supposed “solipsistic realization” as though it arrived free of interpretation. Pure, immediate & undeniable. But the second they begin explaining it, you often see an entire contraband metaphysical framework being snuck in beneath it. 

Straight up you can see it is a simple belief adopted.

Sounds about right.

[UnbornTao]

54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys really refuse to understand what it means to be imagining yourself.

You think I am kidding around with you.

You really do ask people to believe you, even if unknowingly and in a tacit or implicit way, when it comes down to it, and beneath the rhetoric. 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If you imagine I am, then I am.

Don't you want to be imagined?

[zurew]

3 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

The name for this sort of members is "LeoGura Minions"

Unconsciously internalized worldview, coupled with internalized persona (similar mannerism, similar choice of words and rhetoric, constantly in teacher preacher mode, disagreement automatically means that you are wrong and that you need to be  quickly told the correct set of beliefs ).

Some of these people never seriously engaged with any philosophy or spirituality outside of actualized.org. You grow up consuming years of Leo's content and that then frames your whole life.

Even the ones who did some drugs and spiritual practices -  how interesting, that after you internalize years of actualized.org beliefs and framing that you interpret most of your awakenings and trips inside that frame and that all of those foundational beliefs that you  internalized months or years before you did any serious practice , that they are suddenly "confirmed" the moment you do the practices.

Also notice how credence works with these people. After they "confirm" a given thing their credence in Leo's other claims  go up infinitely and they dont treat Leo's unconfirmed claims in an agnostic way and hence the cycle continues "internalize beliefs---> internalized framing clouds your interpretation of awakenings and trips -----> your credence in other unconfirmed claims go up and you internalize them"

[lostingenosmaze]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys really refuse to understand what it means to be imagining yourself.

You think I am kidding around with you.

We know you ain't kidding around, that's precisely why we refuse to understand you, these ain't kiddie gloves you handin' out here 😁

Edited 4 hours ago by lostingenosmaze

[AtmanIsBrahman]

8 hours ago, zurew said:

There is no confusion like that -  what I said there was applicable both to the structure and to the content of the dream as well (because solipsism fails to provide an explanation for both; in contrast with other idealist views, that can provide explanation for the content).

This is just wrong. Solipsism is the simplest explanation of reality. 

Standard idealism faces the challenge of how a bunch of consciousnesses that are separate can somehow come together (since the universe is consciousness). Solipsism actually has no such challenges-- the only challenge is incredulity. 

Also, you didn't really consider my point about explaining structure. Any worldview will struggle to explain why reality is structured exactly as it is on the micro-level.

8 hours ago, zurew said:

With respect to your comments about not caring about epistemic virtues and epistemic norms just only about truth - again whats interesting about that is that you only seem to invoke that when solipsism is attacked and you never invoke that when any other views are attacked

I'll walk back the original comment a little bit. The point was that truth comes before any implications or consequences in epistemic priority. But yes, it's true that you have to have epistemic standards. The only caveat is that these standards might be totally different for absolute matters (such as solipsism) than for relative matters.

Edited 3 hours ago by AtmanIsBrahman

[AtmanIsBrahman]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Even the ones who did some drugs and spiritual practices -  how interesting, that after you internalize years of actualized.org beliefs and framing that you interpret most of your awakenings and trips inside that frame and that all of those foundational beliefs that you  internalized months or years before you did any serious practice , that they are suddenly "confirmed" the moment you do the practices.

Also notice how credence works with these people. After they "confirm" a given thing their credence in Leo's other claims  go up infinitely and they dont treat Leo's unconfirmed claims in an agnostic way and hence the cycle continues "internalize beliefs---> internalized framing clouds your interpretation of awakenings and trips -----> your credence in other unconfirmed claims go up and you internalize them"

You're making a lot of assumptions about me. That's not what I'm doing.

To be clear, I don't "believe in" solipsism or anything else Leo says. But I recognize that solipsism definitely has something to it. The simplicity is striking, and most objections to it are based on it sounding crazy.