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[Alexop]

@Lila9 

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Again, matriarchy doesn’t mean women are at the top exploiting men (something men often fear, because they know this is exactly what patriarchy does to women hahaha), but rather a society that is centered around care.

You are modifying the meanings of concepts just to fit your arguments. That is literally the meaning of matriarchy: "women on top".

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Seeing another human as merely an object is not a natural condition; it is a learned behavior, shaped by culture and environment.

No, mens biology tends to heavily objectify anything. You say that feminism does not push for erasing the biological differences but then you yourself argue for it.

I tell you a story. My sister used to dress her dolls and say stuff like:"she is tired today, i will put her to bed". Then I come and take her doll and rip it apart just to understand how it was built. She started crying telling mom that i killed her doll.

 

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I would love to hear some examples of privileges women enjoy that men don't in society. Maybe I am not aware of something.

Maybe some of these ones: women have such an abundance of choice in the dating market due to social media and dating apps that most men feel invisible even if they are above average in looks and other traits. Women have now overwhelmingly the upper hand in the dating market. Women can more easily make friends. Women can use their beauty to get all sorts of kudos nowadays. Sometimes when I am dating I feels like an unemployed worker with a weak CV in front of a turbo-capitalist employer. I have to walk on egg shells in order not to be opted out, because I have such low leverage. She basically can tell whatever the fuck she wants but if I say something that upsets her I am out. Because she has 10 more men waiting in line. 

And this is for @Leo Gura give me a break with doing pickup in the clubs. I dont like those girls. They are ugly as fuck on the inside and outside. I am looking for a relationsip with a mature woman not just sex with a kid. I had enough sex. And cold approach in the city is not as easy as it seems, there are very few attractive women walking around. Maybe only of you cold approach in NY or something like that but I dont like living in such oversized shitholes. And I don't like building social circles either. I don't like to eat 1 ton of social shit from immature idiots just so that maybe they will introduce me one day to a cute girl. Dating is hard for men today!

There are plenty of privileges men have but those are getting fewer and fewer due to the raise of feminism which puts the feminine perspective above the masculine.

 

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I agree. Men are often governed by conformity to other men, their ego and lust which distorts their perception of reality and truth.

What? In the same way I can say this about women: Women are governed by conformity and feelings. Feelings are corrupting their perception of truth. Lol

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 The fact that many men view being a good man as being like a woman shows how deeply they perceive toxic masculinity as the real or only form of masculinity.

No, most feminists do not understand masculinity and therefore the masculine perspective. You might want to make men better but the results can be the opposite. Because again, men are not women. Men develop through challenges and accountability not just feel this feel that. I see moms raising their boys through the feminine lens leading them into a failed life. They become unattractive, shy, unmotivated nerdy whimps not the gentle and mature men you wish for. Careful what you wish.

 

The problems you radical feminists are pointing to are mostly because we have too much toxic masculinity not masculinity. But you dont understand healthy masculinity. You mistake healthy masculinity for femininity. This is a crucial distinction you have to learn. Until then, all your actions will lead to more misogyny, shitty relationships, immature boysh men, hatred towards the opposite sex, mental illness, loneliness. Good luck 🤞.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

You are more likely to see your young male date return home and suicide than you are to be murdered by him (as a woman). While intimate partner violence is a major issue (and many men are abused and it is chronically underreported), suicide is the leading cause of death for young men 😢

[Alex M]

Following on from Leo's posts about Waco. This is a good podcast about it if anyone is interested. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p06qc33m a good study on cults and the inner workings. A lot of people that died there were actually from the UK

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You are more likely to see your young male date return home and suicide than you are to be murdered by him (as a woman). While intimate partner violence is a major issue (and many men are abused and it is chronically underreported), suicide is the leading cause of death for young men 😢

men take security and safety for granted, women don't fathom how hard it is for man to fulfill his romantic needs right now. Sex you can get yea, if you take that pickup train. But for a conscious man, sex is not enough. And NO spiritual and psychedelic bullshit can fix that for you, you can deny your romantic needs, but they are still there.

If you are an introvert man, non-conformist, above average in consciousness, it is brutally hard to find a woman who will match your romantic needs. For such women it is the same thing, but I see women being able to cope with that much easier. I don't see any toxic lonely women influencer, but on the mens side, oh my God.

Note: i don't think this problem is mainly because of feminism! I blame it mostly on: turbo-capitalism and retarded urbanism it created separating us from each other, no third places, social media and dating apps, videogames, individualism, but also of course feminization of society and whimpization of men, but not as important as the other causes.

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[Leo Gura]

12 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I would love to hear some examples of privileges women enjoy that men don't in society. Maybe I am not aware of something.

That you even ask this question demonstrates the problem.

Many feminist women don't even see their privilege.

Who fights the wars?

Who does the most dangerous job?

Who does the most backbreaking and dirty labor?

Who are the women using to do their dirty-work for them?

Who can't act cute and innocent and get away with things?

Who has to be the provider?

Who has to carry the burden of leadership?

Who gets automatic custody of children?

Who gets automatic alimony?

Who gets to be sexually irresponsible and then blame it all on men?

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[Leo Gura]

12 hours ago, Lila9 said:

The existence of gender roles may be efficient for society in fulfilling its purposes however, they are not natural

They are as natural as anything gets.

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[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

I tell you a story. My sister used to dress her dolls and say stuff like:"she is tired today, i will put her to bed". Then I come and take her doll and rip it apart just to understand how it was built. She started crying telling mom that i killed her doll

I guess the different age gap from you and from your sister had a play on it. The distiction that the doll is a not living being had to be implanted in you by other humans. How old was you in that experience and how old was your sister?

[Alexop]

4 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

I guess the different age gap from you and from your sister had a play on it. The distiction that the doll is a not living being had to be implanted in you by other humans. How old was you in that experience and how old was your sister?

Older, doesnt't matter. I don't want to go again on this nurture-nature argument with you, agree to disagree.

[Rafael Thundercat]

7 hours ago, Alexop said:

Sometimes when I am dating I feels like an unemployed worker with a weak CV in front of a turbo-capitalist employer. I have to walk on egg shells in order not to be opted out, because I have such low leverage. She basically can tell whatever the fuck she wants but if I say something that upsets her I am out. Because she has 10 more men waiting in line. 

Or maybe woman in general had become more aware of what they want and need and the bar has raised to not comply with men being entitled for their bodies.

Also this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXrMptvDkQV/?igsh=MTlzZHBxaWltM2Qybg==

Reading the comments of many men here and online and observing men in my daily live I realize why woman need to be picky. They also have a lot to lose for not being selective, they can lose their lifes ir even become traped in a golden cage unless they use dicerment. Dont use woman raising the bar to excuse your lack of development in game e being a man of value. I say this not directly to you but for men in generalz including me. 

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[Tristan12]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That you even ask this question demonstrates the problem.

Many feminist women don't even see their privilege.

Who fights the wars?

Who does the most dangerous job?

Who does the most backbreaking and dirty labor?

Who are the women using to do their dirty-work for them?

Who can't act cute and innocent and get away with things?

Who has to be the provider?

Who has to carry the burden of leadership?

Who gets automatic custody of children?

Who gets automatic alimony?

Who gets to be sexually irresponsible and then blame it all on men?

On top of all of that, onlyfans.

The fact that beautiful women who have zero skills, intelligence, character, work ethic, etc. can just sell pictures of their body online and rake in millions of dollars per year, with very little effort. Men don't have that opportunity.

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

due to the raise of feminism which puts the feminine perspective above the masculine.

Agree to disagree. Well there is a bias here. Blaming feminism is sloopy. We can at least agree on the obvious.

[Alexop]

@Rafael Thundercat please ignore me.

[Rafael Thundercat]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Who fights the wars?

Do woman created wars?

Who does the most dangerous job?

Do woman desire men to create a world where dangerous jobs is a necessity. (Even in a jungle hunting is life risk and there is proofs woman were Hunters in distant past. Why it become the norm woman to be the homestay,childbearing,?) 

Who does the most backbreaking and dirty labor?

Again who had the idea that one need to kill himself working?

Who are the women using to do their dirty-work for them?

Again the focus on dirt work, this is not just a woman privilege, is a white upper class privilege. In many countries woman do dirt work.

Who can't act cute and innocent and get away with things?

Who has to be the provider?

Who has to carry the burden of leadership?

Who gets automatic custody of children?

Who gets automatic alimony?

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

12 minutes ago, Tristan12 said:

On top of all of that, onlyfans.

The fact that beautiful women who have zero skills, intelligence, character, work ethic, etc. can just sell pictures of their body online and rake in millions of dollars per year, with very little effort. Men don't have that opportunity.

Who created OF plataform? Woman? Men? Opportunity and Opportunism goes had to hand. You may not create slavery but you can create boats to transport Slaves. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

12 minutes ago, Alexop said:

@Rafael Thundercat please ignore me.

Same requirement from now on. Ok? Boundaries goes both ways. Accountability is a masculine trait you said. 

[oOo]

I think right about now is a great time to introduce Para Bellum, one of many women that I admire greatly, and with gratitude I had the good fortune of meeting Para last year. Para is a drone pilot for the Ukrainian military. The Ukrainian military are now extremely respected in the field of battle when it comes to drone warfare, with the USA themselves, post-disgraced efforts of settling peace between Ukraine and Russia, desperately seeking counsel from the Ukrainian military on drone warfare.

Women from all walks of life have had an irreplaceable positive impact on our trajectory as a species, and for the purpose of this comment, I would like to emphasise as well not only the under-represented unique positive impact women can have in the military, but also how even when they do, they also often go much more unrecognised due to prevailing stereotypes and perspectives that stifle relevant cultural growth in the military.

 

 

I have not watched this video, as I am presently restricting myself from YouTube indefinitely, however I have taken in her content in the past. Para plays a great part relative to the purpose of her role, that here too, goes more unrecognised than the credit she deserves. 

 

 

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[Raze]

2 hours ago, Tristan12 said:

On top of all of that, onlyfans.

The fact that beautiful women who have zero skills, intelligence, character, work ethic, etc. can just sell pictures of their body online and rake in millions of dollars per year, with very little effort. Men don't have that opportunity.

That’s a small minority. It also has many costs.

If you want mens issues to be taken more seriously you should focus on more common and all encompassing things. I say that as someone who thinks they should be.

Like homelessness which Leo didn’t mention.

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[Raze]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You are more likely to see your young male date return home and suicide than you are to be murdered by him (as a woman). While intimate partner violence is a major issue (and many men are abused and it is chronically underreported), suicide is the leading cause of death for young men 😢

It is a leading cause, not the leading cause. 

https://www.mdch.state.mi.us/osr/deaths/LeadingAgeSpecificCauseWhiteMale2017.asp

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[Alexop]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

They are as natural as anything gets.

You have to mention that culture influences these roles quite a bit. For example mothers who teach their girls how to cook but not their boys. Such stuff is silly, anyone has to learn to cook. But yes, the asymmetry in relationships is influenced by our biology.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Raze link no worky for me