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[Lila9]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That simply does not apply to modern civilization. You are talking about some mythical pre-civilizational past which is long in the rear-view mirror, if it ever even existed. Once civilization came online, everything forever changed. You can't undo civilization or act like it isn't a thing.

Civilization is patriarchal because everything hinges on winning wars. Women can't win wars. There is no negotiating this. Wars need to be fought and won if you wish to live.

This doesn’t change the fact that modern civilization is not in alignment with our human needs and nature, this is why there are so many problems. It is dysfunctional.

This is why the problems can’t be solved on a shallow level within the structure, but only on a deep level with the destruction and reconstruction of civilization. This will happen automatically. We are just in the period between its slow decline and the formation of a new civilization, which naturally is very confusing for everyone.

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, Lila9 said:

This doesn’t change the fact that modern civilization is not in alignment with our human needs and nature, this is why there are so many problems. It is dysfunctional.

100% agree

[gengar]

Patriarchy -> Stability but oppression of women -> Men become more spiritual -> They ease on patriarchy -> Women can now choose their mates
-> They choose the least spiritual, more competitive and selfish men -> Men are incentivized to be less spiritual -> War -> Patriarchy

I hope this cycle breaks at a point in time.

[Terell Kirby]

“When in doubt- shut up and socialize.”~ says any guy who’s had dating success 

[gengar]

@Lila9 Can I see your scientific evidence of the debunking of "alphas" and "betas"? I'm genuinely interested.

[Nivsch]

12 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

This doesn’t change the fact that modern civilization is not in alignment with our human needs and nature, this is why there are so many problems. It is dysfunctional.

True. We are not neurologically wired for the modern world that has only existed for 100 years.

Edited 8 hours ago by Nivsch

[Lila9]

4 minutes ago, gengar said:

Yeah, they slept with whom they wanted, namely the alphas, and if other men tried to get with women the alpha would smack the shit out of them. This is how it goes with Chimps and all dimorphic mammals. 

Do you really, genuinely believe pre-civilizational human tribes were not absolutely hardcore, but instead egalitarian and soft? Then you are really self-deceived.

I'd love to see your scientific evidence debunking of Alphas. like "alpha" is such a hardcoded concept to begin with. It just means the strongest men in a tribe who get laid the most.

It's in evolution's benefit for women to only breed with the top males, and not the other way around. Your idea of precivilizaitonal tribes is cartoonishly childish and false.

The guy who coined the terms “alpha” and “beta” later debunked them himself.

But if you insist on using these definitions, what is perceived as alpha in a patriarchal society would be considered beta in an egalitarian society, and what is considered beta in this society would be considered alpha in an egalitarian one.

Men have a lot of power in shaping their own attractiveness.

The "top males" are self made, not born. 

 

 

[gengar]

@Lila9Okay, thanks, I'll check that video out.

"The "top males" are self made, not born. "

Mountains of scientific evidence in both humans and other mammals suggest that this is only partially true and that genetics plays a huge role, so that is really unscientific of you to state.
 

[Lila9]

I want to clarify that I’m not trying to idealize pre-patriarchal societies or suggest that we should regress and live exactly like them. 

What I’m saying is that the way they organized society holds valuable insights that align with human needs, and we can adapt this lost wisdom to create a better civilization.

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

“When in doubt- shut up and socialize.”~ says any guy who’s had dating success 

Because you can't get laid sitting around in your armchair doubting your life.

[YIDIRYIDIR]

I'm asking about the "Hold Off On Psychedelics If You're Young" blog post. I'm 23 and curious if trying a psychedelic once or twice to just experience ego death is okay or it will still effect me ? I've never tried psychedelics.

[Eskilon]

6 minutes ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

I'm asking about the "Hold Off On Psychedelics If You're Young" blog post. I'm 23 and curious if trying a psychedelic once or twice to just experience ego death is okay or it will still effect me ? I've never tried psychedelics.

Will you be satisfied by anyone answer here? 

This needs to come from within, not from Leo or anybody. 

If you are curious enough and have the balls you will try it.

Just do research about it to minimize risk and putting yourself in too much danger.

Follow basic security protocols and give it a shot I would say.

Edited 7 hours ago by Eskilon

[Lila9]

59 minutes ago, moonawakening444 said:

i don´t think he meant chasing in the literal sense

it´s most likely in the sense of women being open and vulnerable to recognize that it is safe to be led by their partner in a balanced way, it doesn´t mean you´re a weak woman...

of course you can share your perspective and find a middle ground between what both want

i feel like women become resentful when they have to be in charge of every decision in the relationship and that we could open space to also allow the partner to give their opinions before making decisions together

From what I understood, he described an asymmetry in which women need to chase and men don’t, and he provided a metaphor I disagree with, because nature and reality show that it does no good for women to chase men.

Women need partners who can share the burden of relationships and survival. Today, many women lead their relationships because many men don’t want to lead or lack leadership skills.

Leading requires emotional mastery and sacrifices for someone other than oneself, and many men simply lack these skills because they have no incentive to develop them. They want control over women rather than true leadership because this is how they were socialized.

Women don’t need men to lead them because we can be good leaders ourselves, studies show that women are often better leaders.

We need men to be as good at leading as we are, so the burden of leadership and responsibility does not fall only on us.

[YIDIRYIDIR]

7 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Will you be satisfied by anyone answer here? 

yeah from people that know and tried and experienced

9 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

If you are curious enough and have the balls you will try it.

Tbh I'm curious as hell, most big questions i have are answered, it's the psychedelic's answer I've been waiting for. 

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

Do you think the dynamics between men and women in tribal times was better than in traditional era?

Yes. I think that one gender oppressing the other is a relatively new development in our history that didn’t happen before.

[Nivsch]

41 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

The guy who coined the terms “alpha” and “beta” later debunked them himself.

The interesting thing is that in the LGBTQ community all these things are even more fluid and vary, which kind of challenges these categories even more.

Edited 7 hours ago by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

8 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Yes. I think that one gender oppressing the other is a relatively new development in our history that didn’t happen before.

Interesting

[Leo Gura]

32 minutes ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

I'm asking about the "Hold Off On Psychedelics If You're Young" blog post. I'm 23 and curious if trying a psychedelic once or twice to just experience ego death is okay or it will still effect me ? I've never tried psychedelics.

It is okay, but there is the risk that you might want to start using chronically. Once the door is open, it's hard to forget. It much depends on your personality. For some people it will be easy to forget, for others it will be impossible to forget. If you are very serious about truth-seeking, psychedelics open a door that you cannot ignore.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Lila9]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

The interesting thing is that in the LGBTQ community all this things are even more fluid and vary greatly.

Yes, it is amazing that human sexuality is fluid and not as strict as we were socialized to believe. Humans can have all sorts of relationships with both genders.

We are denied many variations and nuanced experiences of love because of strict gender roles and the demonization of homosexuality. I genuinely grieve that.

[No1Here2c]

There is no overstatement of nuance and subtlety in the various reigions of life.

Edited 7 hours ago by No1Here2c