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[Joseph Maynor]

This is a great example of how to create justice in a power mix.  

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

In the context of the discussion men who have mastery of both axis of power (social manipulation + brute strength). 

But in a wider sense it shows up as a man who can defend without needing to dominate, admit when wrong, express affection openly, lead without ego fragility & creates psychological safety around him. 

I think of it as power + restraint, action + awareness, strength + sensitivity.

It's not about submissiveness, being soft or passive.

Chris Bale. Check instragram account.

https://www.instagram.com/chrisbaleawakened?igsh=MmdqY2s4bmN4ZHNn

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Rafael Thundercat

[Starlight321]

3 hours ago, darkspring001 said:

I, a woman. Have began talking to someone with possible on-set schizophrenia symptoms, psychosis mostly. His mother has it , his sister has it. Even though he seems like a nice guy, is this a reason to stop talking to him? I didn’t want anything serious but it seems like he does. @Leo Gura

@Leo Guralas sry, can't delete you here

@darkspring001I would be very careful. I know of a case of a schizophrenic person who started believing he wife was cheating on him and couldn't dissuaded by any means and eventual he died in a shoot out with the police because he went berserk. 

[lostingenosmaze]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

will easily get me killed.

I need to live on a remote island.

Haters will want to release the Gura files and discover it's just your pussy collection

Have in-person meetups thru a private jet called Death

Edited 5 hours ago by lostingenosmaze

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Alexop I think men in today's climate suffer from un-integrated MASCULINE believe it or not. The younger men who are in more trouble I mean. The ones falling behind ☹️

[Husseinisdoingfine]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

I need to live on a remote island.

 

[Alexop]

@Natasha Tori Maru yes. And when I tell this to the left mob, they call me a cockservative. I see it like this: build the sword (masculinity), then refine it (feminine side development).

I was on a romanian leftist discord server, most of them don't even understand what we mean by feminine and masculine. I just cannot relate to them, this topic is so fundamental to our survival that it is completely unacceptable to no study and understand. If your relationships are shit, your life is shit.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@darkspring001 if you are going to have a relationship with this person - romantic or otherwise - you will have to be extremely confident, healthy and candid. Excellent boundaries. Often this simply will not work because those with mental illness reject healthy boundaries as they do not recognise them as love. They receive it as rejection. In reality a good boundary is about saying 'I need this, so I can give you the love you deserve'. 

My ex developed schizophrenia and my stepdad is a sufferer, also. 

You will have to come to terms with being more than just a friend or lover - but a carer also. It is what it is when dealing with severe mental health issues. Often the carer role can run up against the lover role. Really difficult to continually lay down hard boundaries and provide care and also maintain desire.

🤍🙏

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Alexop yep. Some of the issues when the balance goes out. I am not anti-feminist, but I do see some mother's raising men and teaching them that men are bad or wrong. Masculine is bad or wrong. Couple that with broken families where father's are absent (no healthy masculine figure), it can be made to look like (to the young boy) that the father treated the mother poorly. And mothers can play into this with their sons and daughters. You end up with men hating their masculinity. Self hate and dysphoria.

Cucked soy boys who are capitulating and soft. And overly dominent woman. So it's men with un-integrated masculine, and women with un-integrated feminine. 

Basically they end up with either a masculine or feminine shadow.

This is just one of many dynamics that can happen. Not saying it is the only one or the most common. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Uddi]

@Leo Gura I actually would like to add to that. People that don't know how to parent themselves should not raise children. In many aspects Japan has shown a very good example of parenting to where 6 year olds can be trusted to go out on their own. Not asking for that much of a shift but it does show the potential. Of course Japan has their own flaws such as too much conformity, brutal exams and study hours, etc. Personally I would love for you to make a video on parenting and relationships with mentally ill people. I really want to hear your perspective on it since you have super valuable insights.

[VioletFlame]

1 hour ago, Uddi said:

People that don't know how to parent themselves should not raise children.

100% agree with this statement. Also most people have repressed childhood wounds they're either not willing to confront or are not even aware of. Those wounds then get passed onto the child, which is a serious issue, and commonly underestimated.

1 hour ago, Uddi said:

In many aspects Japan has shown a very good example of parenting to where 6 year olds can be trusted to go out on their own. Not asking for that much of a shift but it does show the potential.

This is a bit extreme to me, however, that they allow 6 yr olds to "wander alone" because they can be "trusted". It's not the child that should be trusted, it's the "adults" we must worry about and the OTHERS in the world that cannot be trusted. Parenting is one thing, like making the child aware that such threats exist is one thing, but even if they teach them "not to talk to strangers", for example, children are still innately naive, easily swayed, persuaded, & manipulated. Children, especially a 6 yr old, are generally inherently innocent/harmless (so it's not a matter of "trusting" them) unless in the very rare case, they are born with certain deficiencies & red flags suggesting psychopathy, children are not a threat, or an endangerment to society. Condoning "freedom" to a child THAT young is a form of neglect in my opinion and is highly irresponsible. That is actively endangering your child, not protecting them. As the parent, it is 100% your job and responsibility to ensure the safety of your child and protect them from constant external threats and dangers, not the child's responsibility, that includes educating them on these issues, yes, but don't just throw them in the fire, or in with the pack of wolves. That's a recipe of disaster. Children are not supposed to parent themselves, or protect themselves, that's not their job. That's literally our job as the adults. 

Edited 2 hours ago by VioletFlame

[Uddi]

5 minutes ago, VioletFlame said:

100% agree with this statement. Also most people have repressed childhood wounds they're either not willing to confront or are not even aware of. Those wounds then get passed onto the child. 

 

This is a bit extreme to me, however, that they allow 6 yr olds to "wander alone" because they can be "trusted". It's not the child that should be trusted, it's the "adults" we must worry about and the OTHERS in the world that cannot be trusted. Parenting is one thing, like making the child aware that such threats exist is one thing but even if they teach them "not to talk to strangers", for example, children are still innately naive and easily swayed, persuaded, & manipulated. Children, especially a 6 yr old, are generally inherently innocent/harmless (so it's not a matter of "trusting" them) unless in the very rare case, they are born with certain deficiencies & red flags suggesting psychopathy, children are not a threat, or an endangerment to society. Condoning "freedom" to a child THAT young is a form of neglect in my opinion and is highly irresponsible. That is actively endangering your child, not protecting them. As the parent, it is 100% your job and responsibility to ensure their safety of your child and protect them from constant external threats and dangers, not the child's responsibility. Children are not supposed to parent themselves, or protect themselves, that's not their job.

To be fair I realize I worded it badly. No the point of mentioning that is to show that under the right circumstances, you can raise sovereign children with minimal friction. Children are naturally in the theta state. They need tuning to their natural intuition, not struggle and force. Our society is in no position to allow a 6 year old to safely travel on their own. But we can mature them by educating them early on. You are never too young to know about topics as long as it does not involve stuff like violence, gore, sex, etc. If a child asks good science/spiritual questions, good curiosity questions, etc, give them a good quality answer instead of denying them the curiousity.

[VioletFlame]

24 minutes ago, Uddi said:

To be fair I realize I worded it badly. No the point of mentioning that is to show that under the right circumstances, you can raise sovereign children with minimal friction. Children are naturally in the theta state. They need tuning to their natural intuition, not struggle and force. Our society is in no position to allow a 6 year old to safely travel on their own. But we can mature them by educating them early on. You are never too young to know about topics as long as it does not involve stuff like violence, gore, sex, etc. If a child asks good science/spiritual questions, good curiosity questions, etc, give them a good quality answer instead of denying them the curiousity.

You "tune them into their natural intuition" by encouraging creativity & play everyday, not by encouraging them to wander the streets on their own at 6, and saying "Guess my work's done here, I taught them everything they need to know about the world, they're on their own now!" and hoping for the best and hoping they listened to your advice. That's neglect. That's playing with fire. Good luck teaching a 6 yr old everything about the world, they'll most likely turn around and argue with you because some of them are fairly certain they already know everything haha, they think they know more than you. That's why they need protection!! They're naive little rascals!

Edited 2 hours ago by VioletFlame

[bazera]

2 hours ago, Alexop said:

I was on a romanian leftist discord server, most of them don't even understand what we mean by feminine and masculine. I just cannot relate to them, this topic is so fundamental to our survival that it is completely unacceptable to no study and understand. If your relationships are shit, your life is shit.

And when you explain the issue to them, without necessarily pointing out "masculine" or "feminine" terms, don't they get the point?

Why don't they see importance of a need to raise strong men with emotional intelligence, integrating both sides? What's their argument against that?

[bazera]

1 hour ago, Uddi said:

People that don't know how to parent themselves should not raise children.

I agree, but I think that would be a majority of human population.

Most people learn how to parent without much experience, just through maturing and growing up that they have to do because of the child.

I think when you have a kid it kinda forces you to get your shit together.

[VioletFlame]

2 minutes ago, bazera said:

I think when you have a kid it kinda forces you to get your shit together.

Totally true, but I feel like that's 90% of the problem. Ideally, we should strive to be "getting out shit together" before welcoming a child into this world. That would be the most responsible thing to do. "Getting your shit together" can take years, by the time your shit's together, the kid will be 18, lol.

[Leo Gura]

Mentally ill people can't just get their shit together on a wish. They will try but sabotage themselves because their issue is much more serious and neurological. It will take them decades to get their shit together, by which point the kids are deeply traumatized for life.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[VioletFlame]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Mentally ill people can't just get their shit together on a wish. They will try but sabotage themselves because their issue is much more serious and neurological.

@Leo Gura100%. It takes years of trial & error, of consistent inner-work, psychological awareness, therapy, for some, countless medications to finally see results or reach a comfortable state of mind & quality of life. It's sad, really. But it takes more work, grit, dedication, & effort for the mentally ill person to do personal development work than the average person. But personal development work also makes a lot of sense for people who are struggling and suffering the most; self-inquiry is the antidote. It's also quite rare for a mentally ill person to even have self-awareness. That's always the first step towards growth.

Most mentally ill are not a lost cause, and they are not doomed for life, they just require more time & patience to achieve the results necessary for their success & growth. Neuroplasticity is a real thing, but you can't heal yourself unless you're aware and are willing to do so, consistently, and incessantly. Most mentally ill people get discouraged easily & they just give up. I chose not to be one of those people, which is how and why I have overcome childhood trauma, depression, & anxiety and do not require any medication to function. I did the work myself, over the course of many long, tireless years. I say this as someone with experience, who has come out on the other side of it, much stronger.

Edited 1 hour ago by VioletFlame

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Should probably be clear about what we are talking about. Personality disorders are different beasts to bog standard mental illness - although they are both under the 'mental illness' umbrella. 

Prognosis for personality disorders is generally worse. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[bazera]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Mentally ill people can't just get their shit together on a wish. They will try but sabotage themselves because their issue is much more serious and neurological. It will take them decades to get their shit together, by which point the kids are deeply traumatized for life.

Sure, I meant people with more or less stabe mental health.

Do you think that's the problem of our modern generations? Or mental health issues was always there in the same degree in humans in our grand-parents and great-grandparents times?

But considering the wars, economics, culture, etc of their times, I don't think it would be much different. 

But I also think an average mental health got way worse in the last couple decades. Maybe it's because the awareness around it got increased, and it only seems that way because more people talk about it.

Edited 1 hour ago by bazera