Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Rafael Thundercat]

3 hours ago, Stick said:

If I don't get enlightened what is the point of listening to actualized.org. 
Isn't this just a mind masturbation for a non enlightened person.

Stick, your name is the answer 😂,  you just need to Stick 5Meo up your ass and Ta-ta!!

[No1Here2c]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@No1Here2c You speak gibberish so there is nothing more to say.

@Leo Gura

Gibberish is a matter of one's ability to interpret.

Lots of Nuance to Interpretation.

Edited 6 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

Interpretation is dependent upon Knowledge, Understanding, State of Consciousness, and several other factors.

[No1Here2c]

Words are a poor conductor of Direct Experience

[WillCameron]

@Leo Gura I just finished the book "Philosophy in the Flesh" by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson. They talk about how all knowledge is created through our embodied existence as human beings, and so most knowledge is deeply metaphorical relative to embodiment. I'm aware of 4E Cognitive Science and the 4 ways of knowing that Vervaeke often talks about, so I understand that knowledge is not only propositional.

I'm curious if you've read the book and/or whether or not your own understanding of Truth is influenced by your embodied nature. Do you see Truth as a process mediated through your body and do you believe something like "Alien Consciousness" is beyond the human body?

For my part, it seems like any state of consciousness we can experience will always be mediated through the human body and so limited by it.

Thanks for your time.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, WillCameron said:

I'm curious if you've read the book and/or whether or not your own understanding of Truth is influenced by your embodied nature. Do you see Truth as a process mediated through your body

I have not read the book.

But Truth is Consciousness and it is not mediated by anything. The body is just Consciousness.

But in a relative sense the body is important.

Truth cannot depend on anything, since it is Infinite. All finite ontologies are wrong. All dependencies are wrong.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

@Leo GuraHello Leo, in regards to your post on sex trafficking and Epstein, have you read and would you recommend the book mentioned in the podcast:

Nobody's Girl by virginia Giuffre

Thank you

I plan to read it.

Probably worth a read.

[Davino]

7 hours ago, TheEnigma said:

So how can psychedellics just make you into a being that's the next level of consciousness than a human? 

I mean it just happens

Do it responsibly and see for yourself 

[Davino]

11 minutes ago, WillCameron said:

 

For my part, it seems like any state of consciousness we can experience will always be mediated through the human body and so limited by it.

Most states of consciousness are mediated through the body, but not all. Breakthrough doses reach beyond the body's limits.

Also you should deconstruct the notion of body itself, really your body is Universal, that's your true body, Infinite Body = Infinity Mind = Infinite Consciousness 

[Davino]

7 hours ago, Stick said:

What if I keep taking psychedelic every few hours.

So wake up, take psychedelic and after the effects wear down take it again.
Keep taking it at intervals until night time and then sleep.

Go try a retreat of that 

Make sure you have some food cooked though, it's gonna be hard to take care of that survival minutiae after a few days in the retreat 

Edited 4 hours ago by Davino

[Davino]

4 hours ago, Stick said:

Not to be rude but how many of yall have experienced awakening at all.

I have but most people are bullshiters, not out of bad will but because they bullshit thoroughly themselves first.

What is it that you want? Why you even care about "Awakening"? Where did you even get that idea from?

[UnbornTao]

@TheEnigma Just take into account that your experience is all you have, and a change in state isn't an awakening. I see that you are critical and ask questions. If you ever decide to go down that road, also remember that you will be swept away by the shift in state. Keep the distinction above in mind, and if you want the advice of someone actually enlightened (which is important), you have Adi Da and Ralston explaining how this path is a trap and a slippery slope. I've tried them and deluded myself into thinking they were far more significant than they actually were. So that might happen to you too. The important thing is to move on from that fantasy if you're ultimately after the truth and not just a better experience.

[Yimpa]

7 hours ago, Stick said:

What if I keep taking psychedelic every few hours.

So wake up, take psychedelic and after the effects wear down take it again.
Keep taking it at intervals until night time and then sleep.
Repeat

That’s literally how medical marijuana is prescribed in Texas. For people who are already on the verge of death.

[Clarence]

How Elite Corruption Works

Leo, I've been wanting to ask this really basic question for a long time. It may sound a bit silly, but I've been wondering what the word "truth" naturally means to you as an English speaker?

In French, the word "vérité" usually refers to what is true. So I’ve been reading the word "truth" with that same meaning, but it never seems to fully fit the way you use it.

So I was wondering whether "truth" carries a deeper or broader meaning in English.

For example, do English speakers naturally connect it with intellectual honesty and an effort to avoid manipulation, self-deception, and bias? Or does it mostly refer to what is true, like in French?

If it actually carries that kind of meaning, it would completely transform the way I've understood it. It would also explain why the way it's used has always felt a bit off to me.

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Clarence said:

but I've been wondering what the word "truth" naturally means to you as an English speaker?

I have a much deeper notion of truth than an English speaker.

Truth is not a matter of English or langauge. Truth is to exist. Things only exist because they are Truth. Nobody understands this except those who are profoundly Awake.

But truth also refers to honesty and such. In English truth mostly refers to mental ideas that reflect the physical world.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Clarence]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I have a much deeper notion of truth than an English speaker.

Truth is not a matter of English or langauge. Truth is to exist. Things only exist because they are Truth. Nobody understands this except those who are profoundly Awake.

But truth also refers to honesty and such. In English truth mostly refers to mental ideas that reflect the physical world.

I still don't fully understand.

So when you write "truth" in the blog post, are you using it as a synonym for Truth?

Edited 1 hour ago by Clarence

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Clarence said:

I still don't fully understand.

So when you write "truth" in the blog post, are you using it as a synonym for Truth?

It is a rich notion that encompasses a lot of stuff. It includes Truth itself, but also one's relationship towards it. To be truthful, to care about truth, to live truthfully, to use the mind in truthful ways.

The whole point of this work is to develop a profound, sacred relationship to Truth. Because you ARE Truth.

You can see that no elite, no politician, no billionaire has this relationship. This relationship is what I teach.

I gave up being a billionaire, for Truth.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[No1Here2c]

My understanding is that the terms Actuality, Reality, Truth, & Existence all point toward the same thing, from slightly different angles.

Consciousness is also pointing at the same thing, but has more room to be interpreted in different ways. These various interpretations may not exactly align with the work we do here. This word in particular can be a bit more ambiguous,  should you not have the connect between all of these terms fully solidified.

Edited 1 hour ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

Once you get a hang of all the doublespeak it fits together nicely.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

the terms Actuality, Reality, Truth, & Existence all point toward the same thing, from slightly different angles.

Consciousness is also pointing at the same thing,

These are all identical.