Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[r0ckyreed]

@Leo Gura I don’t get your quote #339 about science being slop for believing in death.

Science doesn’t “prove” things but rather uses repeatable, observable methods to demonstrate something. A scientist doesn’t have to prove death to anyone. They just need to use the proper measures for investigating death. (Of course, you’ve deconstructed that scientists in practice don’t behave in the manner illustrated by the definition of science.)

The history of science has changed its definition of death. A scientific definition of death is the cessation of all biological functioning required for life. Ex. Brain death, circulation, heart failure, etc.

I would say death isn’t a belief. We experience small forms of death throughout our lives. Ex. Loss of job, partner, and eventually our life. Consciousness is eternal, but Charlie Kirk getting shot is a permanent reality where we will live the rest of our existence without him in it. That is death, and yes it’s imaginary but so is a kick to the balls.
 

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[ZenSwift]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-341

Hey Leo, I've been having a desire to cultivate a Kriya practice. Especially since you have preached a bit about it being a powerful practice. I've been neglecting the discipline of learning the techniques, believing in it, and then doing the practices religiously. It's been tougher to hook my mind with it especially since it's more of a long term investment thing. 

My initial thought is to contemplate this further and deeply connect it with my values, and then just bite the bullet and do an experiment of practicing consistently for 6 months to a year and see my results, which is easier said than done. 

Do you have any other suggestions for really building a practice? More specifically, getting my mind to see the value of it such that the commitment to it becomes obvious? 

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

Science doesn’t “prove” things but rather uses repeatable, observable methods to demonstrate something.

Death has never been demonstrated.

Scientists do believe in death.

Improperly defining death is half the problem.

You have zero scientific evidence that Charlie Kirk is not alive in heaven with God.

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[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, ZenSwift said:

Do you have any other suggestions for really building a practice? More specifically, getting my mind to see the value of it such that the commitment to it becomes obvious? 

That is tough.

You have to somehow convince yourself it is the most important thing in the world.

What will convince you of that, I don't know. A major Awakening to God would help. Via a psychedelic. That's what convinces me the most.

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[Clarence]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That is tough.

You have to somehow convince yourself it is the most important thing in the world.

What will convince you of that, I don't know. A major Awakening to God would help. Via a psychedelic. That's what convinces me the most.

What changes have you noticed through your Kriya Yoga practice, and are you still noticing new ones?

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, Clarence said:

What changes have you noticed through your Kriya Yoga practice, and are you still noticing new ones?

It permanently quiets the monkey mind. But very subtly, very slowly.

It raise baseline consciousness, but very subtly, very slowly.

[bazera]

@ZenSwift I've been having that exact same issue for the last 7-8 years when it comes to establishing Kriya practice, and even more years with establishing meditation practice. I mean proper daily practice. I've been dabbling in those practices, weeks on and off, sometimes months but I was never serious enough to stick to it, or practice it with full intention.

Now I'm starting my 30s and it dawns on me that if I don't allocate at least 6-12 months to properly religiously practice them, it won't be done ever, like, for the last couple years I've been waiting for some magical moment that will illuminate me and make me stick to practices but that doesn't come. So I will either force myself into them or practice won't occur and benefits won't be there. Even worse, zero benefits plus all the regret of not practicing all those years, double suffering.

So, take that seriously, 10 years can easily pass without actually using at least 6-12 months for that.

I guess psychedelic awakening would also help as Leo said, but at the moment I don't have access to that.

[Leo Gura]

For meditation you are better off doing retreats than daily practice.

Meditation is too weak.

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[Michal__]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

For meditation you are better off doing retreats than daily practice.

Meditation is too weak.

One retreat is like meditating for 1+ hours a day for a year or maybe even more.

[bazera]

@Leo Gura Doesn't daily meditation practice hone the concentration skill slowly day by day? And then using that somewhat developed concentration ability on longer retreats? I mean, if I'm a beginner meditator and go on a retreat, without some background in a sitting practice, will it still work? 

I'm talking about strictly concentration meditation, the one you can measure the progress in, not some form of just sitting and daydreaming or whatever.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, bazera said:

Doesn't daily meditation practice hone the concentration skill slowly day by day?

It may for some, but it won't work for most.

Modern life is too busy for that to work.

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[RisingLane]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Christmas is gone.

Too bad. I was planning to post this, and even though it’s no longer fitting, I’m sharing it anyway because it’s just too cute.

[Magnanimous]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It permanently quiets the monkey mind. But very subtly, very slowly.

It raise baseline consciousness, but very subtly, very slowly.

Leo do we really have to stay consistent with the kriya yoga everyday?
I do wanna do it everyday, but what if there's days I literally can't? Like I'm extremely sick

I'm scared that I'll lose a lot of benefits because of these insurmountable circumstances

[AerisVahnEphelia]

that's my goat, go get him.
 

 

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[r0ckyreed]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Death has never been demonstrated.

Scientists do believe in death.

Improperly defining death is half the problem.

You have zero scientific evidence that Charlie Kirk is not alive in heaven with God.

@Leo Gura  How would you define death? If a living organism becomes a mere object, I would define that as death. What makes us different from rocks is that we are consciousness, whereas a rock is mere object with no subjectivity. The rock is made out of consciousness but is not conscious itself. Death is the consciousness of “others” no longer being localized/fixated at the body.

What more evidence do we need that Charlie Kirk is dead? We got camera footage, a coffin with his body, statements from doctors and his wife. Of course, this is all in my memory/imagination now. I could spend the rest of my life on a wild goose chase trying to look for Charlie alive, but I will only find him decomposing 6ft under. 

[Michal__]

2 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

that's my goat, go get him.
 

 

Haha

[Dazgwny]

I went through a phase a few years ago meditating every day for 6 months or so maybe. But my psychedelic awakenings made me realise I was so bad at it that I was embarrassed to myself just how pathetic my attempts were. I was so awake I showed myself exactly how to meditate, how it should feel and be if done properly. Needless to say post trip I was back to being a complete joke in my meditations and now I just don’t bother at all. I can’t come even remotely close to what I now know a real meditative state to be. So far off. I understand I will just never get anywhere. I can have some great contemplation sessions. Some good realisations without psychedelics. But I can’t meditate for shit, even though at one point I genuinely thought I was alright at this stuff. It just is what it is

[bazera]

@Dazgwny Have you tried Kriya?