Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Sabth]

A mother of five for 30+ years vs *edit* a mother of four for 9 years. Vs every shitty mother in the world. 

[max duewel]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As if what? Awakening makes you not part of Earth and Nature?

This notion that Awakening is an escape from mundane reality is silly. Awakening is direct contact with reality. Everything we do in this work and with Truth is about deeper contact with reality. We are not trying to run away into a cave. That is a cartoon stereotype. The guy living in the cave is as much in reality as the girl raising 3 children. More even because he is not distracted by mindless automatic survival.

The only point of the cave is to focus you on reality. To minimize distraction and drama.

That was not the point being made. I meant that back then, people were hardcore about this insofar as dying and sacrificing for the integrity of this cycle. The differnce is that women were recognized as being closer to this hardcore truth. I intended to bring nuance to the notion that masculine detachment is superior for truth as to feminine involvement. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, max duewel said:

The differnce is that women were recognized as being closer to this hardcore truth.

Being lost in survival is not hardcore truth, it is everyone's condition.

Be careful not to romanticize how people lived in the past. They mostly lived like animals, not sages.

Edited July 3, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

But why do we all have the same dream all at once?

Why do you assume that there is any dream but yours?

Do you have any evidence whatsoever of other dreams? None. Yet you believe it. Why?

[max duewel]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Being lost in survival is not hardcore truth, it is everyone's condition.

Be careful not to romanticize how people lived in the past. They mostly lived like animals, not sages.

That's part of it, yes. But also accepting yourself as a limited part of Teotel and living according to that sounds pretty hardcore to me. And what about Birth?. Isn't the experience of going through Birth nature's psychedelic?

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

when I got injured at work I felt tremendous pain and it didn't felt like a dream at all.

That's a dream.

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After years of contemplation, and listening to your videos nonstop, I concluded that I can't validate for myself that I am God or that I hallucinate all this.

Because you refuse to take psychedelics.

You refuse to do the work required to understand the deepest truths.

That is your choice.

Realizing that the physical world is a hallucination requires insane levels of consciousness. Seriously. That level of consciousness is unimaginable.

Edited July 3, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, max duewel said:

But also accepting yourself as a limited part of Teotel and living according to that sounds pretty hardcore to me.

No. It's not hardcore. It's an excuse and a dodge from doing real work.

The self will make any excuse to avoid self-annihilation. Being lost in illlusion is framed as spiritual or noble or "my truth". No. You're still just being selfish and unconscious.

Edited July 3, 2025 by Leo Gura

[cistanche_enjoyer]

Leo, what about the feminine path to enlightenment? The one based on devotion and opening the heart chakra?

The following video explains it pretty well, and gives an example of a woman who awakened via this path:

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Do you think that this is the reason all religions across the world were patriarchal? That put men on a moral pedestal while objectifying women? Could this be the reason why religions treated women like shit while allowing men to be like the women's owner? 

Because men deeply fear women. Deeply fear their own motivation and drive toward them. Fear loss of control 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Hello Leo,

Do you feel qualified to speak for the feminine path, when you are, in this current form, a predominantly masculine entity? 

I am sure you consider that the masculine frame with which you see reality could be blind to other nuances. 

I myself in this life ended up with a feminine body and disposition. But I am quite balanced. I do not have very much attachment to my sex. I take less offense as a result. 

Having said that, you must admit you have no experience of the feminine path to enlightenment. Your expertise is in the masculine, no? 

Women grow, carry and give birth to life. They bring forth consciousness in a new form to experience. This is creativity. Their bodies sacrifice, just as men sacrifice for truth. 

Our greatest flaws are that we don't love hard enough. I raise that you will never know the love of birth and growth within. 

Can you argue this is not truth? Birth? Is it just survival? It is bringing forth new consciousness. A new piece of the infinity of God. I put forth there is truth there. Truth only found through the totality of being. Birth. Creation. Art. 

 

 

[CARDOZZO]

41 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Hello Leo,

Do you feel qualified to speak for the feminine path, when you are, in this current form, a predominantly masculine entity? 

I am sure you consider that the masculine frame with which you see reality could be blind to other nuances. 

I myself in this life ended up with a feminine body and disposition. But I am quite balanced. I do not have very much attachment to my sex. I take less offense as a result. 

Having said that, you must admit you have no experience of the feminine path to enlightenment. Your expertise is in the masculine, no? 

Women grow, carry and give birth to life. They bring forth consciousness in a new form to experience. This is creativity. Their bodies sacrifice, just as men sacrifice for truth. 

Our greatest flaws are that we don't love hard enough. I raise that you will never know the love of birth and growth within. 

Can you argue this is not truth? Birth? Is it just survival? It is bringing forth new consciousness. A new piece of the infinity of God. I put forth there is truth there. Truth only found through the totality of being. Birth. Creation. Art. 

I understand yourself. This is a sensitive topic.

We have different kinds of teachings and spiritual gurus. I think that you can choose one teaching or spiritual guru based on the essence of his teachings (Masculine x Feminine).

We have masculine essence teaching (Leo Gura, Peter Ralston, Jed McKenna, James Swartz) who are more grounded, detached, rough and direct.

We have feminine essence teaching (David R. Hawkins, Ken Wilber, Adyashanti, Rupert Spira) who are compassionate, caring and loving.

I'm learning how to navigate both spiritual frameworks. 

Edited July 3, 2025 by CARDOZZO

[TheEnigma]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a dream.

Because you refuse to take psychedelics.

You refuse to do the work required to understand the deepest truths.

That is your choice.

Realizing that the physical world is a hallucination requires insane levels of consciousness. Seriously. That level of consciousness is unimaginable.

How many times the level of consciousness of an average stage orange individual in North America would it take to realize the hallucination of the physical world? Or realizing realism isn't truth?

Edited July 3, 2025 by TheEnigma

[OBEler]

@Natasha Tori Maru

My girlfriend had very feminine spirituality. All kinds of new age thoughts  also. But also seeing and talking to other gods like jesus, zeus, gaia, prophets and so on. But on one day she had one deep breakthrough of 5 Meo and she saw the truth like Leo did. She saw there is only one. After that Feminine spirituality was reduced to a minimum and Solipsism replaced that. She is alone and everything. Still she has a feminine side on spirituality but not so new agy.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2025 by OBEler

[Thought Art]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

As if what? Awakening makes you not part of Earth and Nature?

This notion that Awakening is an escape from mundane reality is silly. Awakening is direct contact with reality. Everything we do in this work and with Truth is about deeper contact with reality. We are not trying to run away into a cave. That is a cartoon stereotype. The guy living in the cave is as much in reality as the girl raising 3 children. More even because he is not distracted by mindless automatic survival.

The only point of the cave is to focus you on reality. To minimize distraction and drama.

 

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, TheEnigma said:

How many times the level of consciousness of an average stage orange individual in North America would it take to realize the hallucination of the physical world?

I can't answer that because consciousness is not a quantity.

A few grams of mushrooms worth of consciousness.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Leo, what about the feminine path to enlightenment? The one based on devotion and opening the heart chakra?

I am open to that. But it still requires consciousness of Truth in the end.

[Davino]

The Epistemic Circularity Of Atheism.

I'm starting to enjoy these writings as much as your videos. I can sense the effort you put in clarity, it resonates. Reading feels like following a golden thought thread.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

I'm learning how to navigate both spiritual frameworks. 

I am with you there.

I am on this forum, a follower, due to always being hinged toward a masculine approach. I have followed Leo since his initial videos, I just chose to lurk and immerse myself in process for many years.

It is in the latter portion of my spiritual path that I have delved into the feminine approach.

Having more experience of both, I find much more peace overwhelming me.

I am able to love others even in conflict.

And while I cannot always do this (especially when charged up in emotion myself!) I am closer to this experience on a daily basis.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@OBEler

This is quite beautiful, and I hope it was beneficial for her. Do you think it resulted in a more balanced approach, or has she been acclimating to this new realisation? I recall being very destabilized.

I have had enlightenment experiences and integration through the masculine path. Prior to developing the feminine. It was quite inversed for me

I have been present at the feminine birthing process many times. I bring this up as there is experience there that is quite additive to the embodiment of love. A strong teaching experience that we only fail when we don't love enough. I new state and experience - body - for God to inhabit, is brought forth. Infinite Love is there, in that moment. This feminine axis relies on integrating a state of being by immersing in pure feeling, experience, emotion. Love.

The masculine required a lot of understanding to integrate. A heady, disembodied feeling. The feminine relies less on cerebral energy. Keen to hear what your girlfriends thoughts are

 

[PenguinPablo]

Seeing God in a table fork is easy.

seeing God while caught in a cyclone of misery, suffering, despair that’s another matter.

Edited July 4, 2025 by PenguinPablo