Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

36 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Of course many Palestinian Hamas combatants dehumanize Jews and Israelis the same way. It's always awful.

This goes beyond in the moment battle reaction though. His cluelessness months later about why they might care about their loved one's body shows that. That guy has permanently shut off part of his humanity.

I was referring to anti-Israelis / pro-Palestinians / protestors abroad comparing to Israeli soldiers and Israelis. Not about hamas. hamas is far beneath the bar to even be compared to anyone.

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[hundreth]

I came across a silly propaganda image suggesting that all of Israel would be Jordan if Israel lost, so I asked ChatGPT to rebuke it and it resulted in a kind of funny result.
 

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That image makes a very one-sided claim. Let’s break it down:

 

Historical Context

In 1947–48, the UN proposed partitioning the British Mandate of Palestine into two states: one Jewish and one Arab, with Jerusalem as an international city. The Jewish leadership accepted; Arab leadership and surrounding Arab states rejected it.

When Israel declared independence in May 1948, armies from Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq invaded.

Their goals were not unified. Each country wanted different things:

Jordan’s King Abdullah sought to annex the West Bank and parts of Jerusalem into his kingdom.

Egypt occupied Gaza and had ambitions in southern Palestine.

Syria and Lebanon hoped to gain territory along their borders.

The Arab Higher Committee (Palestinian leadership) envisioned a unitary Arab Palestine.

 

If Israel Had Lost

 

It’s unlikely the land would have become a single independent “Palestine” or entirely “Jordan”:

Most historians agree the land would have been divided among the invading states. In fact, that’s exactly what happened in the areas they managed to capture:

Jordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Egypt took control of Gaza.

No independent Palestinian state was created.

The map in your screenshot simplifies this into “Jordan takes everything,” but that erases Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinian Arab leadership’s ambitions.

 

The Claim in the Image

The suggestion that “all of Palestine would have been Jordan” is misleading.

A more accurate statement is: If Israel had lost in 1948, the land would almost certainly have been partitioned among Jordan, Egypt, and possibly Syria/Lebanon—with no guarantee of a sovereign Palestinian state.

 

👉 So, the image is not a fair or balanced reflection of what would have happened. It’s a political cartoonish simplification.

 

Would you like me to sketch a more historically accurate alternative map of what the land division might have looked like if Israel had lost?

SO then I said:
"So there would still not have been palestine?"

And she replied:
 

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Exactly — at least not in the way most people think of it today.

 

Why Not?

In 1948, there was no serious plan among the Arab states to create an independent Palestinian Arab state.

The Arab League and neighboring countries were more interested in absorbing territory than in supporting Palestinian sovereignty.

What actually happened in reality shows the pattern clearly:

Jordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem (1950).

Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip (without annexing it, but never allowing it independence).

Palestinians themselves had no independent state structure and were largely sidelined in political decisions.

 

So If Israel Lost in 1948…

The land would almost certainly have been carved up: Jordan in the east, Egypt in the south, possibly Syria in the north.

An independent Palestine, as envisioned in the UN partition plan, would have been even less likely to exist than it was after Israel’s victory.

 

👉 Ironically, the only time an internationally recognized plan for a Palestinian state was seriously on the table was the 1947 UN Partition Plan — and that was rejected by Arab leadership.

 

Would you like me to trace how the idea of a Palestinian state only really took off decades later (1960s onward, with the PLO), so you can see how it shifted from nonexistent in 1948 to central today?

The world is a fascinating place.

[Raze]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I meant to anti-Israelis / many pro palestinians / many protestors abroad Vs Israelis. hamas is too low in the bar to even mention and compare to anyone.

Right, you are delusional to the point where you think people protesting against slaughter of civilians are equal to someone who brags about shooting unarmed civilians because he’s in “survival mode”.

Ironically you are worse than the worst hamas supporters, as you excuse murders done by the occupiers who live lives of privilege in America and Europe who travel to Israel to shoot fathers trying to retrieve bodies of their sons, whereas they defend murders by the occupied population born in a ghetto.

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[Nivsch]

@Raze I equated both camps' stances about each other in the way they are mirroring each other cognitively. Nobody justified anything. Read again more carefully before you choose to accuse personally.

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[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze I equated the cognitive stances of both camps about one another and how they are perfectly reflect and copy each other. Nobody justified anything. Read again more carefully before you choose to accuse personally.

And that is ridiculous, protesting something does not indicate they are cognitively on the same level as someone who calmly brags about murdering multiple unarmed family members on camera. 

[Nivsch]

@Raze This is about the typical soldier and typical protestor. At least the soldier - who mostly still doesn't do crimes- risks his own life, while the far left protestor demonizes an entire society risking his voice chords.

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[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze This is about the typical soldier and typical protestor. At least the soldier - who mostly still doesn't do crimes- risks his own life, while the far left protestor demonizes an entire society risking his voice chords.

A society that produces a typical soldier who brags about executing unarmed civilians deserves to be demonized. The idea protestors are on the same level as child murdered is laughable.

A serial killer also risks his life, that doesn’t make them any more moral. Protestors try to use legal means to voice against actions and israel supports crushing and deporting them. 

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[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

A society that produces a typical soldier who brags about executing unarmed civilians deserves to be demonized. 

He needs to be put in jail, but he isn't typical though you think he is, and that is exactly my point.

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[Raze]

21 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

He needs to be put in jail, but he isn't typical though you think he is, and that is exactly my point.

There are countless reports, testimonies, and videos of idf shooting unarmed civilians 

The mindset that lead to this is typical, the constant victim hood and excuse making. You demonstrate it in your reaction where you immediately try to explain it by saying it’s because he’s in fight or flight and deflecting to random protestors. 

 

[Nivsch]

@Raze

Well IDF recruited 360,000 soldiers during this war, at least tens of thousands of them as combatants, many who do hudreds of reserve days with barely seeing their families who are normal families just like yours and mine or family in Europe or the US (imagine it. Humans).

And after we zoomed out, yes, many crimes, though by minority. Is there a systemic problem here? For sure.

What is the solution, to demonize? I think not. The solution is to target the government and its supporters who encourage the radicalization.

[zazen]

Crusaders were the security for the Gaza aid sites. Vile. 

[Hatfort]

Some Hollywood stars speaking out.

 

[zazen]

 

 

[Hatfort]

The devastation in Gaza may be even higher than what's reported.

https://www.thecanary.co/skwawkbox/2025/09/12/gaza-death-toll-lancet/

[PurpleTree]

Flotilla flotilla

 

[Twentyfirst]

Chosen people = Nazi "master race"

[Twentyfirst]

Best thing is to have nukes. Second best thing is to have a nuclear power defend you

[Twentyfirst]

How Gaza is bringing a New World Order

[PurpleTree]

 

[Nivsch]