Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

 

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[Raze]

 

[Leo Gura]

The right wing in Israel is lost in a genocidal fever dream.

[Hatfort]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The right wing in Israel is lost in a genocidal fever dream.

Indeed, and they blame Hamas, which the word disproportionate doesn't even cover what they are doing in Gaza. But in the West Bank, there is no Hamas, and the violence is constant from the settler terrorists and the IDF itself.

From just a few days ago, three settlers entered an old man's piece of land with their guns, the man tried to stop them, and they ended up shooting his leg. The IDF came and they settlers left freely, but the old man's son was the one detained. The old man lost his leg. 

Also the assassination of I think it was the cameraman of the documentary, No other land, that won the Oscar. I didn't find any good video, but here is one that show the the shooter and the victim. 

These are just two recent examples of what the Palestinians are dealing with. There's no Israel defending itself, there's Israel constantly attacking to steal the land from the indigenous inhabitants as the final objective, Gaza and the West Bank, with different tactics.

[Nivsch]

@Hatfort Defensive Shield operation Israel did in the West Bank started in March 2002 after 2 years of almost daily terror attacks and suicide bombing inside Israeli cities, during which IDF has fought terror groups of the PLO and hamas. Up until this day hamas and other terror groups in the West Bank try to gain power, what IDF in a co-operation with the Palestinians authority fight every day to prevent. This continues for 23 years.

It is easy to say that everything that happens there is an "oppression" but in reality the dynamics is more complicated and involves both security, restrictions and yes also corruption and an abuse of power by soldiers and settlers what lead all together to an oppressive dynamics.

The solution to this loop is to seperate between Israelis and Palestinians, put a strong and secure border in the middle and not to point fingers on one side or another showing why it is the 'greatest evil' and the other side innocent and good.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Defensive_Shield

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[PurpleTree]

Sooo 

Hakeem Jeffries is now apparently called Aipac Shakur.

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[zazen]

 

 

[Nivsch]

The forum of Liberal Local Authorities includes most of Israel's major cities, except for Jerusalem.

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[Nivsch]

"Israel Today" newspaper

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[Twentyfirst]

@Nivsch Until Israelis like YOU voluntarily leave and return to Europe you are supporting theft and genocide.

[Nivsch]

" Severe Warning – Netanyahu’s and the messianic right’s plan to annex the West Bank includes the annexation of 2,223,600 Palestinians into Israel, the imposition of full apartheid in the territory, turning Israel into an even more violent version of South Africa, and converting most of the IDF into a border police force surrounding Palestinian enclaves, which would become a kind of concentration camps and terror hotbeds.

In addition, it would break the peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, shatter the Abraham Accords with the UAE, Bahrain and Morocco, and bring upon Israel a flood of harsh sanctions from both Western and Eastern countries.
Simply put, it would enslave all of us, and our children and grandchildren, to the messianic Moloch.

Netanyahu is trying to sell a version of this plan to Trump, and he may very well succeed.

Two immediate implications:

1. Netanyahu’s illegitimate and criminal minority government has no mandate to implement any annexation whatsoever. Period.

2. A clear statement is required from every party leader and every candidate for prime minister — and I mean you first of all, Mr. Bennett: what is your opinion of this plan? Do you accept it? If not, what are the differences between your plan and this one?

— Eran Etzion "

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17Hpn4HDfJ/

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[Nivsch]

https://x.com/RonGerlitz1/status/1961111758212399582

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[carterfelder]

Grok on today's strike in Qatar:

Netanyahu's stated reasoning for Israel's strike on Hamas leaders in Doha, Qatar, on September 9, 2025, centers on retaliation for a deadly terror attack in Jerusalem the previous day, as well as a broader policy shift ending immunity for terrorist figures regardless of their location. The Jerusalem incident involved Palestinian gunmen from Hamas's Izzadin al-Qassam brigade opening fire on a bus at Ramot Junction, killing six Israeli civilians and wounding over 20 others; Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack as a "successful operation."

In statements following the strike, Netanyahu described it as "entirely justified," emphasizing that it was ordered directly in response to the Jerusalem attack. He further argued that there is "no more immunity for terror leaders in particular places," signaling Israel's intent to target Hamas operatives even in host countries like Qatar, which has sheltered them while mediating cease-fire talks. Netanyahu also suggested the action "can open the door to an end of the war in Gaza," framing it as a strategic move to pressure Hamas into concessions. Israel took full responsibility for the "precise strike," which targeted senior Hamas leadership but reportedly did not kill key figures, according to Hamas claims. The operation drew international condemnation, including from the White House and Qatar, for violating Qatari sovereignty.

[Nivsch]

@carterfelder Former Second to Head of IDF (2014-2017) Yair Golan (translated)

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[Nivsch]

44 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

Netanyahu described it as "entirely justified," emphasizing that it was ordered directly in response to the Jerusalem attack.

The real reason ia to distract the public from him being accused of working with Qatar, funding hamas and strenghtening it purposely to serve a counterweight to the PLO. 

Netanyahu is an auto immune illness for Israel.

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[carterfelder]

I've never heard that claim. That's a wild one.

[Raze]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich
 

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Daniel Raab shows no hesitation as he watches footage of 19-year-old Salem Doghmosh crumpling to the ground beside his brother in a street in northern Gaza.

“That was my first elimination,” he says. The video, shot by a drone, lasts just a few seconds. The Palestinian teenager appears to be unarmed when he is shot in the head.

Raab, a former varsity basketball player from a Chicago suburb who became an Israeli sniper, concedes he knew that. He says he shot Salem simply because he tried to retrieve the body of his beloved older brother Mohammed.

“It’s hard for me to understand why he [did that] and it also doesn’t really interest me,” Raab says in a video interview posted on X. “I mean, what was so important about that corpse?”

 

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“They’re thinking: ‘Oh I don’t think [I’ll get shot] because I’m wearing civilian clothes and I am not carrying a weapon and all that, but they were wrong,” said Raab, who majored in biology at the University of Illinois before joining the Israel Defense Forces. “That’s what you have snipers for.”

After Salem was shot, his father, Montasser, 51, rushed to the site, and tried to collect his sons’ bodies for burial, but was also fatally injured by a sniper.

The need for a dignified funeral for loved ones is a core human instinct, protected in law and explored in art for millennia. It is at the emotional heart of Homer’s Iliad, one of the earliest surviving works of literature.

But on that day, Raab treated love and grief as cause to kill. “They just kept on coming to try and take these bodies,” he said.

The video of Salem’s killing, and footage of other attacks on unarmed Palestinians, was posted online five months after his death, part of a montage made by a soldier called Shalom Gilbert to celebrate a deployment in Gaza.

 

 

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Mohammed, who was 26 when he was killed, had a high school diploma and supported the family by gathering waste metal and plastic for resale. Salem had dropped out after 10th grade and joined him.

Fayza Doghmosh recognised her two sons – Salem’s olive-green shirt, Mohammed’s black clothes – when she was shown Gilbert’s footage. She cried uncontrollably as she watched, 18 months after her boys were killed.

Mohammed, who loved chicken wings and helped his mother knead dough for family bread each day, was the first to head out. He picked up his cousin Youssef* at his home nearby, and the two men headed out.

His last moments may have been filmed by Israeli forces. Gilbert’s montage includes two grainy videos of targeted killings. Youssef says he recognises himself, walking with his hands in his pockets beside Mohammed, his lifelong friend.

 

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When asked how his squad decided whether to shoot unarmed Palestinians, Raab said: “Its a question of distance. There is a line that we define. They don’t know where this line is, but we do.”

 

 

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After Mohammed was killed, Youssef ran to tell his brothers, inadvertently sealing Salem’s fate. Raab describes on camera how he shot the teenager when he came to collect Mohammed’s body.

The recovery of dead bodies is protected under international law. The Israeli military’s own regulations also stipulate that people collecting bodies are not legitimate targets, according to former soldiers and Asa Kasher, who co-authored the Israeli Defense Forces’ ethics code.

“If you see someone recovering a body or helping a wounded person, that’s a rescue operation, it should be respected,” Kasher said. “Someone like that should not be shot.”

The next victim was Salem and Mohammed’s father, Montasser. “My boys,” was all he could say when he saw them lying dead in the street. He tried to approach them and was shot.

Then, snipers targeted a cousin, Khalil*, who raced to help Montasser. “I had taken about eight to 10 steps carrying him when I was shot and it felt like my arm was blown off,” said Khalil, who managed to stagger out of range before losing consciousness.

The two men were taken to hospital, but Montasser died the next day. The family decided they could not risk more loss, and the brothers’ bodies were left in the street until a ceasefire began on 24 November.

 

[hundreth]

29 minutes ago, Raze said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich
 

 

 

 

 

 

That's fucked. Hurts to read stuff like that. Dehumanization for sure.

[Nivsch]

@hundreth Soldiers in the field are in a constant survival mode and therefore act from their amygdala. The result is either fear of any Palestinian whatsoever, or an emotional flattening. Does this make their actions justified? Of course not, but it is worth looking at the cycle of dehumanization we can see from the same tweet - soldiers demonize Palestinians and anti Israelis demonize Israelis in the same way and fall to the exact same cognitive traps in their perception of the other side.

Edited September 10 by Nivsch

[hundreth]

4 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@hundreth Soldiers in the field are in a constant survival mode and therefore act from their amygdala. The result is either fear of any Palestinian whatsoever, or an emotional flattening. Does this make their actions justified? Of course not, but it is worth looking at the cycle of dehumanization we can see from the same tweet - soldiers demonize Palestinians and anti Israelis demonize Israelis in the same way and fall to the exact same cognitive traps in their perception of the other side.

Of course many Palestinian Hamas combatants dehumanize Jews and Israelis the same way. It's always awful.

This goes beyond in the moment battle reaction though. His cluelessness months later about why they might care about their loved one's body shows that. That guy has permanently shut off part of his humanity.