Israel / Palestine News Thread

[carterfelder]

Hamas is the cause of the war. The war has not ended because of Hamas. If Netanyahu ends the war, Hamas will commit another atrocity, and bombs will continue to be launched into Israel, over and over again.

Edited August 24 by carterfelder

[Raze]

3 hours ago, carterfelder said:

Hamas is the cause of the war. The war has not ended because of Hamas. If Netanyahu ends the war, Hamas will commit another atrocity, and bombs will continue to be launched into Israel, over and over again.

No, israel is the cause of the war. Israel was attacked many times prior to Hamas even being founded.

This is because israel violently subjugates millions of people and seeks to steal more and more land.

The war has not ended because of Israel, because as always they reject peace offers until they face economic pressure or massive violence. Offers to end the war and have Hamas step down were given repeatedly, israel rejects them because it wants to kill more people.

Israel itself admits they funded Hamas, why? Because the PA agreed to stop fighting them, but they needed an excuse to not seek peace and keep stealing land in the West Bank. So they sacrificed safety of Jews for the opportunity to steal from and kill Palestinians.

Their propaganda narrative is that somehow when the people they brutalize finally fight back it is their fault for “starting it” and justifies israel committing mass murder of civilians. Of course believing they were untouchable.

That failed on Oct 7, when they had the some of worst losses in their history followed by collapsing international approval and damage to their economy. They’re trying to save it by going all the way and genociding the Gazan population and using it as a pretext to steal more land elsewhere now.

As long as israel doesn’t recognize Palestinians as equal human beings, they will be attacked again and again, because legally and morally people have the right to fight against oppressors. 

Edited August 24 by Raze

[Nivsch]

Former Head of IDF (2002-2005) and Minister of Defense (2013-2016) Moshe Ya'alon.

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Second to Head of IDF between 2014-2017, Yair Golan.

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[Leo Gura]

The right wing in Israel is lost in a genocidal fever dream.

[Hatfort]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The right wing in Israel is lost in a genocidal fever dream.

Indeed, and they blame Hamas, which the word disproportionate doesn't even cover what they are doing in Gaza. But in the West Bank, there is no Hamas, and the violence is constant from the settler terrorists and the IDF itself.

From just a few days ago, three settlers entered an old man's piece of land with their guns, the man tried to stop them, and they ended up shooting his leg. The IDF came and they settlers left freely, but the old man's son was the one detained. The old man lost his leg. 

Also the assassination of I think it was the cameraman of the documentary, No other land, that won the Oscar. I didn't find any good video, but here is one that show the the shooter and the victim. 

These are just two recent examples of what the Palestinians are dealing with. There's no Israel defending itself, there's Israel constantly attacking to steal the land from the indigenous inhabitants as the final objective, Gaza and the West Bank, with different tactics.

[Nivsch]

@Hatfort Defensive Shield operation Israel did in the West Bank started in March 2002 after 2 years of almost daily terror attacks and suicide bombing inside Israeli cities, during which IDF has fought terror groups of the PLO and hamas. Up until this day hamas and other terror groups in the West Bank try to gain power, what IDF in a co-operation with the Palestinians authority fight every day to prevent. This continues for 23 years.

It is easy to say that everything that happens there is an "oppression" but in reality the dynamics is more complicated and involves both security, restrictions and yes also corruption and an abuse of power by soldiers and settlers what lead all together to an oppressive dynamics.

The solution to this loop is to seperate between Israelis and Palestinians, put a strong and secure border in the middle and not to point fingers on one side or another showing why it is the 'greatest evil' and the other side innocent and good.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Defensive_Shield

Edited August 28 by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

Sooo 

Hakeem Jeffries is now apparently called Aipac Shakur.

Edited August 28 by PurpleTree

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[Nivsch]

The forum of Liberal Local Authorities includes most of Israel's major cities, except for Jerusalem.

Edited September 1 by Nivsch

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"Israel Today" newspaper

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[Twentyfirst]

@Nivsch Until Israelis like YOU voluntarily leave and return to Europe you are supporting theft and genocide.

[Nivsch]

" Severe Warning – Netanyahu’s and the messianic right’s plan to annex the West Bank includes the annexation of 2,223,600 Palestinians into Israel, the imposition of full apartheid in the territory, turning Israel into an even more violent version of South Africa, and converting most of the IDF into a border police force surrounding Palestinian enclaves, which would become a kind of concentration camps and terror hotbeds.

In addition, it would break the peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, shatter the Abraham Accords with the UAE, Bahrain and Morocco, and bring upon Israel a flood of harsh sanctions from both Western and Eastern countries.
Simply put, it would enslave all of us, and our children and grandchildren, to the messianic Moloch.

Netanyahu is trying to sell a version of this plan to Trump, and he may very well succeed.

Two immediate implications:

1. Netanyahu’s illegitimate and criminal minority government has no mandate to implement any annexation whatsoever. Period.

2. A clear statement is required from every party leader and every candidate for prime minister — and I mean you first of all, Mr. Bennett: what is your opinion of this plan? Do you accept it? If not, what are the differences between your plan and this one?

— Eran Etzion "

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17Hpn4HDfJ/

Edited September 5 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

https://x.com/RonGerlitz1/status/1961111758212399582

Edited September 9 by Nivsch

[carterfelder]

Grok on today's strike in Qatar:

Netanyahu's stated reasoning for Israel's strike on Hamas leaders in Doha, Qatar, on September 9, 2025, centers on retaliation for a deadly terror attack in Jerusalem the previous day, as well as a broader policy shift ending immunity for terrorist figures regardless of their location. The Jerusalem incident involved Palestinian gunmen from Hamas's Izzadin al-Qassam brigade opening fire on a bus at Ramot Junction, killing six Israeli civilians and wounding over 20 others; Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack as a "successful operation."

In statements following the strike, Netanyahu described it as "entirely justified," emphasizing that it was ordered directly in response to the Jerusalem attack. He further argued that there is "no more immunity for terror leaders in particular places," signaling Israel's intent to target Hamas operatives even in host countries like Qatar, which has sheltered them while mediating cease-fire talks. Netanyahu also suggested the action "can open the door to an end of the war in Gaza," framing it as a strategic move to pressure Hamas into concessions. Israel took full responsibility for the "precise strike," which targeted senior Hamas leadership but reportedly did not kill key figures, according to Hamas claims. The operation drew international condemnation, including from the White House and Qatar, for violating Qatari sovereignty.

[Nivsch]

@carterfelder Former Second to Head of IDF (2014-2017) Yair Golan (translated)

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[Nivsch]

44 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

Netanyahu described it as "entirely justified," emphasizing that it was ordered directly in response to the Jerusalem attack.

The real reason ia to distract the public from him being accused of working with Qatar, funding hamas and strenghtening it purposely to serve a counterweight to the PLO. 

Netanyahu is an auto immune illness for Israel.

Edited September 9 by Nivsch