Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

Former Heads of IDF, Heads of Mossad and Heads of Shin Bet with an unprecedented call:

"End the war, and bring back all the hostages".

Link to the translated full video:

https://x.com/YallaTikva/status/1952249191985520801

Edited Tuesday at 08:01 PM by Nivsch

[Maximilian]

Israelis are protesting the war in Gaza. 

Article from the Wall Street Journal:

Israeli State news channels, which have not previously been broadcasting footage from Gaza, have been showing more footage over the past few months of the realities in Gaza.

Many left-leaning Israelis are protesting, demanding that the Israeli government end the war in Gaza.

[Revolutionary Think]

1. The Bill of Wrongs for Hamas & Their Fans

Amendment I:
The right of terrorists to slaughter innocents shall be excused as “freedom fighting” by those who never read a book.

Amendment II:
The right of clueless students to chant “From the River to the Sea” without knowing which river or sea shall not be infringed.

Amendment III:
No civilian shall be safe in their home if it offends our brainless sense of “justice through chaos.”

Amendment IV:
The people have the right to remain ignorant, and to reject any video or evidence that hurts their dopamine.

Amendment V:
Anyone who calls out terror shall be labeled “colonizer” by people who can’t find Israel on a map.

Signed,
The Global Union of Hashtag Warriors and Professional Moral Failures™

[Porphyry Fedotov]

Even the BBC started to change its narrative and compiling evidence of the IDF purposely shooting Palestinian kids in Gaza

 

[carterfelder]

 

[BlueOak]

By BRICS standards this is war is justified and fine. Israel is taking what they consider theirs and forming buffer zones around their state. That's what China and Russia do, supported by their BRICS allies. If this is the reality most of the world is calling for, then that's what we have to accept, while pointing out its insanity of course.

*India is one step away from doing this to Pakistan also. Armenia - Azerbaijan. Turkey - Greece. Everyone - Syria. So its not like i'm cherry picking. This is the current global reality, which we either say spheres of influence don't work in the nuclear era and we need to progress as a globe to something better, like national sovereignty remaining within its own borders in a global league of nations, or accept this is what happens.

Edited yesterday at 08:22 AM by BlueOak

[Nivsch]

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

By BRICS standards this is war is justified and fine. Israel is taking what they consider theirs and forming buffer zones around their state. That's what China and Russia do, supported by their BRICS allies. If this is the reality most of the world is calling for, then that's what we have to accept, while pointing out its insanity of course.

*India is one step away from doing this to Pakistan also. Armenia - Azerbaijan. Turkey - Greece. Everyone - Syria. So its not like i'm cherry picking. This is the current global reality, which we either say spheres of influence don't work in the nuclear era and we need to progress as a globe to something better, like national sovereignty remaining within its own borders in a global league of nations, or accept this is what happens.

But the one who’s supporting it the most isn’t BRICS but the US. They attacked the UN, ICC and Unesco because of Israel.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

 

[Karmadhi]

11 hours ago, BlueOak said:

By BRICS standards this is war is justified and fine. Israel is taking what they consider theirs and forming buffer zones around their state. That's what China and Russia do, supported by their BRICS allies. If this is the reality most of the world is calling for, then that's what we have to accept, while pointing out its insanity of course.

I havent seen Russia or China or India intentionally try to starve 2 million civilians and murder 20.000 childreen out of a population of 2 million

We had the war where Azerbajan took land in Armenia in 2020 and barely any civilian casualties

Even the Russia war on Ukraine in 3 years has around 12.000-20.000 civilian deaths out of a population of 40 million

Israel brutality is too much even for BRICS standards

The issue is not the war itself, but the war crimes and insanely high death toll proportional to the population

I have not seen BRICS countries commit such war crimes and suffering towards innocent civilians in the recent wars where they have participated

So its not the same in my opinion

Edited yesterday at 07:50 PM by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

On 8/4/2025 at 9:51 PM, Nivsch said:

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

What do the average Israelis think of the new famine in Gaza and the whole new aid system

[Raze]

30 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

What do the average Israelis think of the new famine in Gaza and the whole new aid system

They don’t care or support it.

[BlueOak]

20 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

But the one who’s supporting it the most isn’t BRICS but the US. They attacked the UN, ICC and Unesco because of Israel.

The ones supporting Israels actions is America yes. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of most of this forum in being okay when Russia, China, and India supported by BRICS do this compared to Israel. They claim a neighbouring region on a map and invade it. Kashmir, Tibet, the South China sea (all related islands), Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia (Abkhazia) East Turkestan etc etc. They say its okay because of its proximity, so its better than when America does it globally.

Its like they have blinders on. They'll pull 50 justifications for the above and then ignore every justification Israel gives because it doesn't suit their narrative. 

So by that standard Israel doing this is perfectly fine. Occupying Gaza would be normal. (It's not; the whole thing is insane.)

Edited 16 hours ago by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

11 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

I havent seen Russia or China or India intentionally try to starve 2 million civilians and murder 20.000 childreen out of a population of 2 million

We had the war where Azerbajan took land in Armenia in 2020 and barely any civilian casualties

Even the Russia war on Ukraine in 3 years has around 12.000-20.000 civilian deaths out of a population of 40 million

Israel brutality is too much even for BRICS standards

The issue is not the war itself, but the war crimes and insanely high death toll proportional to the population

I have not seen BRICS countries commit such war crimes and suffering towards innocent civilians in the recent wars where they have participated

So its not the same in my opinion

I have it was called the holodomor. Russia starved Eastern Ukraine, replaced eastern Ukraine with Russian colonists, they educated them as Russian with their language. Now they claim its Russian, and wage war over it, which would be sick - But its a lie of course, there are 50 other reasons they are fighting that war. Heck they recently disappeared many thousands of Ukranian children into Russia, and Putin was named a war criminal as a result.

China genocided the Uyghur population of East Turkestan, they put them in camps to eradicate their culture and disappear those who don't agree. They are eradicating Tibetan culture.

Russia have disappeared anyone who doesn't accept the Russian occupation of Ukraine. They've just been more efficent in their exterimination, they don't bother with starvation these days, they bomb them to nothing, occupy and then send them to front or remove them outright. - They also do this with their minority cultures, using them up as their fodder to take more of Eastern Europe and cultures more closely related to the Muscovites. 

You just cherry pick the information you like because it suits a narrative you have.

Even if the above was NOT TRUE. This is a border war, its the same thing. Its horrific when done over a civilian population hostile to the invaders. Which is what happens when a country tries to impose its will over a country that doesn't consider itself part of it. - Re: The Uyghur, Taiwan, Ukraine etc.

You and many people in this thread are hypocrites. I am sorry to be blunt, and check your ego, but it drives me nuts to read it over and over.

*You are now going to reply this was in the past, not 5 years ago, and i'll reply China uses the past sometimes up to 1,000 years ago, to justify its foreign policy. Russia certainly does also.

Edited 16 hours ago by BlueOak

[PurpleTree]

33 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

The ones supporting Israels actions is America yes. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of most of this forum in being okay when Russia, China, and India supported by BRICS do this compared to Israel. They claim a neighbouring region on a map and invade it. Kashmir, Tibet, the South China sea (all related islands), Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia (Abkhazia) East Turkestan etc etc. They say its okay because of its proximity, so its better than when America does it globally.

Its like they have blinders on. They'll pull 50 justifications for the above and then ignore every justification Israel gives because it doesn't suit their narrative. 

So by that standard Israel doing this is perfectly fine. Occupying Gaza would be normal. (It's not; the whole thing is insane.)

No not even by “those standards” though.

Because most Israelis settled there a few decades ago.

 

[BlueOak]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

No not even by “those standards” though.

Because most Israelis settled there a few decades ago.

 

So your standards are time not proximity?

Do you see how that isn't any better at all? 

All that exists is the suffering of the people in this moment. And its horrific and it needs to stop globally. All the justification in the world doesn't make any difference when someone is sitting there starving in a prison, in the street, or in front of a TV camera. The families of those people laying dead are not sitting there thinking, oh you know what, they've been here awhile, so it's not so bad.

Nothing compares. No justification matters. - Bombs. Starvation. Permanent Imprisonment. Forced drafting into a bloody suicidal war. The extermination of people who have no say in any of this.

Edited 16 hours ago by BlueOak

[Raze]

31 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

I have it was called the holodomor. Russia starved Eastern Ukraine, replaced eastern Ukraine with Russian colonists, they educated them as Russian with their language. Now they claim its Russian, and wage war over it, which would be sick - But its a lie of course, there are 50 other reasons they are fighting that war. Heck they recently disappeared many thousands of Ukranian children into Russia, and Putin was named a war criminal as a result.

China genocided the Uyghur population of East Turkestan, they put them in camps to eradicate their culture and disappear those who don't agree. They are eradicating Tibetan culture.

Russia have disappeared anyone who doesn't accept the Russian occupation of Ukraine. They've just been more efficent in their exterimination, they don't bother with starvation these days, they bomb them to nothing, occupy and then send them to front or remove them outright. - They also do this with their minority cultures, using them up as their fodder to take more of Eastern Europe and cultures more closely related to the Muscovites. 

You just cherry pick the information you like because it suits a narrative you have.

Even if the above was NOT TRUE. This is a border war, its the same thing. Its horrific when done over a civilian population hostile to the invaders. Which is what happens when a country tries to impose its will over a country that doesn't consider itself part of it. - Re: The Uyghur, Taiwan, Ukraine etc.

You and many people in this thread are hypocrites. I am sorry to be blunt, and check your ego, but it drives me nuts to read it over and over.

*You are now going to reply this was in the past, not 5 years ago, and i'll reply China uses the past sometimes up to 1,000 years ago, to justify its foreign policy. Russia certainly does also.

Holodomer was 90 years ago, israel wasn’t even founded then and the government responsible is gone, not relevant for modern comparisons.

The war in Ukraine and repression of Uyghurs aren’t comparable to Gaza.

More children died in Gaza in one year than all Ukrainian civilians killed since 2022. 

The Chinese actions against Uyghurs are less violent than Russia to Ukraine, The Chinese aren’t genociding the Uyghurs as far as we know, a cultural genocide isn’t the same as an actual genocide.

Edited 16 hours ago by Raze

[BlueOak]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

Holodomer was 90 years ago

The war in Ukraine and repression of Uyghurs aren’t comparable to Gaza.

More children died in Gaza in one year than all Ukrainian civilians killed since 2022. 

The Chinese aren’t genociding the Uyghurs as far as we know, a cultural genocide isn’t the same as an actual genocide.

East Turkestan split in 1912 - What's your point? The USSR dissolved in 1991, China use maps from 1000's of years ago to justify their expansion, Russia from 100's and sometimes older. In their eyes older is better. These countries are big, they move slowly and time and history is important to them. Russia set up the conditions for the war it is now fighting.

Even your own argument falls apart.

But its wrong on its face, its desperately trying to justify suffering because of time or proximity, when the people affected are still experiencing exactly what you show in your pictures or worse. Would this be better if Israel had existed for a thousand years? Would your pictures be any less horrific Raze? Would the people suffering be somehow better off? - That's the green argument here's how we move to yellow:

Acknowledge a global reality where humans the world over find any justification for their own greed and/or fears to be exercised, or don't and we'll go around in circles till people can do. If and when people do, we'll find a better way, at the moment, this isn't it.

*The Chinese aren’t genociding the Uyghurs as far as we know, a cultural genocide isn’t the same as an actual genocide.

You can argue semantics I don't care.  If I am locked in a cell, starving, being sterilized, or being killed, I don't much care what you call it, where you are from, or how long you've been there. The only thing China does better is to cover its tracks and press, and not act like lunatic religious zealots. Not that it means anything to the people being tortured, not that any of what anyone says here does. China is better at inspiring fear, and its prey, the Uyghurs are more contained with little outside support. If Israel had captured gaza and was putting its people into camps and doing the same, don't try to tell me you'd be saying anything different.

Its just the same justifications renamed, missing the point entirely and reinforcing the hypocrisy most people here display. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

It amounts to: It's not as bad because X.
Suffering is suffering, period. 
I don't care whether its america rounding up people because they are brown to distract people from an economic reality, or China doing it because they have a need to absorb different cultures/religions/ethnicities (make the world like them), or Israel doing it because of their fear and faith.

If we use our own standards to judge everyone equally. It makes what we say carry much more weight.

Edited 12 hours ago by BlueOak

[Karmadhi]

5 hours ago, BlueOak said:

I have it was called the holodomor. Russia starved Eastern Ukraine, replaced eastern Ukraine with Russian colonists, they educated them as Russian with their language. Now they claim its Russian, and wage war over it, which would be sick - But its a lie of course, there are 50 other reasons they are fighting that war.

That was 90 years ago and the funny thing is that it was done by a Georgian yet Russia for some reason gets all the hate. At the same time they say that Stalin had godlike power within USSR and they blame Russia for what the Georgian God did. Does not add up. Holodomor was another level of messed up but it was too far in the past to be relevant to this conversation

5 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Heck they recently disappeared many thousands of Ukranian children into Russia, and Putin was named a war criminal as a result

Yes that is awful. I am not saying Russia is angel. I just said Israel is WORSE. Thats it. Meanwhile Russia takes kids into Russia, Israel starves them and snipes them. Killing someone is worse than taking them in another location. This is a comparison of which is worse, not saying X actor is not bad.

5 hours ago, BlueOak said:

China genocided the Uyghur population of East Turkestan, they put them in camps to eradicate their culture and disappear those who don't agree. They are eradicating Tibetan culture.

A cultural genocide is not the same. By that logic Israel has been doing that in the West Bank for decades, yet we are not talking about that. A cultural genocide is not as bad as a physical one. You know Israel basically has surrounded the West Bank, nobody can get in or out without their permission. They arrest people whenever they want and you have thousands in inhumane prisons without any charges. Kids too. Israel is the only country to trial kids in military courts with a 99% conviction rate. Not to mention they have an army of illegal settlers which terrorize the locals and are backed up by the army. How is that any different to what China does with Ugurys? And this is the West Bank (no Hamas)

5 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Russia have disappeared anyone who doesn't accept the Russian occupation of Ukraine. They've just been more efficent in their exterimination, they don't bother with starvation these days, they bomb them to nothing, occupy and then send them to front or remove them outright

I would like to see some numbers on that. To me what Russia does to Ukraine is more of a forced assimilation meanwhile what Israel does to Gaza is more of a forced cleansing. Russia for example forces Ukranians to get Russian passports. Israel does not. They are either forced to leave or live under a system where they have less rights.  At least that is what I have noticed. I may be wrong. I know that in Ukraine around 700 kids have died out of 40 million while in Gaza it is around 20.000 out of 2 million. That difference is too huge 

5 hours ago, BlueOak said:

You and many people in this thread are hypocrites. I am sorry to be blunt, and check your ego, but it drives me nuts to read it over and over.

*You are now going to reply this was in the past, not 5 years ago, and i'll reply China uses the past sometimes up to 1,000 years ago, to justify its foreign policy. Russia certainly does also.

So does Israel. Their reasoning is that it was their land 2000 years ago.

Look man the whole point I am trying to make is that Israel is as bad if not worse than countries like China and Russia

They get the treatment that Western countries get while endulging in tactics that those countries do not endulge in

We are NOT justifying what Russia or China or whatever does

UAE for example is backing up a genocidal militia in Sudan which is resulting in a lot of killings

And BRICS is huge, it is not just China and Russia. 

Personally I am not so angry about them occupying Gaza which does happen when you loose a war as much as their total disregard of human life (sniping kids, forced starvation, carpet bombing etc). If they had fought this war using international law as its guideline i would not get so revolted if they occupied Gaza for a while.

Of course kicking Gazans out is another story, I am referring to just staying there until things calm and leave

For example Azerbajan in 2020 invaded Armenia and occupied some of the territory there

Yet there were no protests

Why?

Because it was a war confined to armies with minimal civilian casualties

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Nagorno-Karabakh_War

No images of starved kids or blown apart kids or any horrific report of kids being sniped in the testicals as target practice while queeing up for food

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Karmadhi

[PurpleTree]

Just a fun fact almost all Israeli prime ministers have roots in eastern Europe.

A lot of them in Ukraine, Belarus, Russia

Many of them changed their names.

here gpt

If we count all Israeli prime ministers from 1948 to today, the overwhelming majority—almost all of them—have full or partial roots in Eastern Europe (including Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, and Russia).

 

Here’s the breakdown:

 

 

 

 

Prime ministers with Eastern European roots

 

 

David Ben-Gurion – Born in Poland (then Russian Empire)

Moshe Sharett – Born in Ukraine (Kherson, then Russian Empire)

Levi Eshkol – Born in Ukraine (Kiev Governorate, then Russian Empire)

Golda Meir – Born in Ukraine (Kyiv, then Russian Empire)

Yitzhak Rabin – Born in Mandatory Palestine; parents from Ukraine and Belarus

Menachem Begin – Born in Belarus (then Russian Empire)

Yitzhak Shamir – Born in Belarus (then Russian Empire)

Shimon Peres – Born in Belarus (then Poland)

Ehud Barak – Born in Israel; parents from Lithuania and Poland

Ariel Sharon – Born in Israel; parents from Belarus

Ehud Olmert – Born in Israel; parents from Russia

Benjamin Netanyahu – Born in Israel; father from Warsaw (Lithuanian Jewish roots), mother from Lithuanian Jewish family

Yigal Allon – Born in Israel; parents from Belarus and Russia

 

 

 

 

 

Prime ministers without Eastern European roots

 

 

Naftali Bennett – Born in Israel; father from the U.S. with Polish, German, and Dutch Jewish ancestry (still partly Eastern European via Poland)

Yair Lapid – Born in Israel; father from Serbia (Balkans, not Eastern Europe) and mother from Ukraine (so partly Eastern European)

Levi Eshkol, Moshe Sharett, Golda Meir – already in the Eastern Europe list above, no exception here

 

 

 

 

 

Numbers

 

 

If we include anyone with at least one parent or grandparent from Eastern Europe:

 

All but 1 Israeli prime minister have Eastern European roots.

That’s at least 15 out of 16 prime ministers.

 

 

The sole arguable exception is Yair Lapid, whose father was Balkan-born (Serbia) and mother from Ukraine—though technically that still counts as Eastern European on his mother’s side.