Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Raze said:

You were supporting them for months, openly called for them to destroy Iran, repeatedly justified their treatment of Palestinians, all while knowing they had killed tens of thousands of children.

It’s convenient you try to walk it all back now to maintain an image as a moral arbiter. The reality is you’re morally inferior to all the support for immoral actions by Muslims you complain about. At least they didn’t manufacture consent for genocide. 

Rather than use it as a learning opportunity, you do a walk back and pretend it didn’t happen, while deflecting back to complain about other things. This is why your moral development remains so low, you don’t learn, you need to maintain a image as morally superior even when you’ve revealed yourself as morally lesser. 

No you didn't understand.

For you, everything is very simple because you're on the red team and against the green team. I'm not on either team, so based on the information I have, I try to reach an objective point, which isn't so easy. So, I started reading about the matter, and it wasn't so clear to me. I thought that while the Palestinians had a right to their land, they had been attacking Israel for 100 years, and this latest attack demonstrated their absolute lack of intention to coexist, so Israel had the right to defense.

But seeing increasingly clear what the Zionist ideology is, and seeing that it's almost certain the Zionists allowed the attack with the idea of destroying Gaza, and seeing his behavior in the invasion, now I think Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a nation in that land.  I know it's very alien to you, because for you everything is easy. Since you're Muslim, you support Muslims. But in my case, it's different. I don't identify with any team.

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Zionists allowed the attack with the idea of destroying Gaza, and seeing his behavior in the invasion, now I think Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a nation in that land.

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

Edited August 4 by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

33 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

Well but seems that they have fairly widespread support. I understand that Israelis feel threatened, but it seems increasingly clear that the government has sought conflict and massacre. The problem is that it's already a fact, and with it, they've lost legitimacy in the eyes of most of the world.

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No you didn't understand.

For you, everything is very simple because you're on the red team and against the green team. I'm not on either team, so based on the information I have, I try to reach an objective point, which isn't so easy. So, I started reading about the matter, and it wasn't so clear to me. I thought that while the Palestinians had a right to their land, they had been attacking Israel for 100 years, and this latest attack demonstrated their absolute lack of intention to coexist, so Israel had the right to defense.

But seeing increasingly clear what the Zionist ideology is, and seeing that it's almost certain the Zionists allowed the attack with the idea of destroying Gaza, and seeing his behavior in the invasion, now I think Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a nation in that land.  I know it's very alien to you, because for you everything is easy. Since you're Muslim, you support Muslims. But in my case, it's different. I don't identify with any team.

Actually, you do identify with a team. The team is maintaining your self perception of moral superiority while also fulfilling your bloodlust.

The reason why you run to nuance and not identifying with a team, is because that’s a necessary excuse to try and defend war crimes, the reality is morally, there isn’t nuance, you can’t somehow complain about random third world crimes while defending apartheid and genocide because of nuance, that just demonstrates no moral consistency. You have never applied your “nuance” once to the side you don’t like. It’s just that now the war crimes in israel are so obvious and public opinions tide is turning you need to backtrack to maintain the perception you have some sort of moral consistency, you don’t.

The tell is you’ve now for the third time accused me of being Muslim despite having no evidence and me telling you I’m not three times. You can’t comprehend that someone could be against war crimes effecting Muslims because you see them as “other, so you assume anyone who doesn’t manufacture consent for said crimes and excuse them must have the same bias as you but be on the other team.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-28/ty-article-magazine/.premium/yes-to-transfer-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-expelling-gazans/00000197-12a4-df22-a9d7-9ef6af930000
 

 

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240131-72-of-israelis-say-aid-deliveries-to-gaza-must-be-stopped-survey-finds/

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72% of Israelis say aid deliveries to Gaza must be stopped, survey finds

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-855689
 

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Majority of Israelis unconcerned by humanitarian aid situation in Gaza - poll

 

Edited August 4 by Raze

[Nivsch]

Former Heads of IDF, Heads of Mossad and Heads of Shin Bet with an unprecedented call:

"End the war, and bring back all the hostages".

Link to the translated full video:

https://x.com/YallaTikva/status/1952249191985520801

Edited August 5 by Nivsch

[Maximilian]

Israelis are protesting the war in Gaza. 

Article from the Wall Street Journal:

Israeli State news channels, which have not previously been broadcasting footage from Gaza, have been showing more footage over the past few months of the realities in Gaza.

Many left-leaning Israelis are protesting, demanding that the Israeli government end the war in Gaza.

[Revolutionary Think]

1. The Bill of Wrongs for Hamas & Their Fans

Amendment I:
The right of terrorists to slaughter innocents shall be excused as “freedom fighting” by those who never read a book.

Amendment II:
The right of clueless students to chant “From the River to the Sea” without knowing which river or sea shall not be infringed.

Amendment III:
No civilian shall be safe in their home if it offends our brainless sense of “justice through chaos.”

Amendment IV:
The people have the right to remain ignorant, and to reject any video or evidence that hurts their dopamine.

Amendment V:
Anyone who calls out terror shall be labeled “colonizer” by people who can’t find Israel on a map.

Signed,
The Global Union of Hashtag Warriors and Professional Moral Failures™

[Porphyry Fedotov]

Even the BBC started to change its narrative and compiling evidence of the IDF purposely shooting Palestinian kids in Gaza

 

[carterfelder]

 

[BlueOak]

By BRICS standards this is war is justified and fine. Israel is taking what they consider theirs and forming buffer zones around their state. That's what China and Russia do, supported by their BRICS allies. If this is the reality most of the world is calling for, then that's what we have to accept, while pointing out its insanity of course.

*India is one step away from doing this to Pakistan also. Armenia - Azerbaijan. Turkey - Greece. Everyone - Syria. So its not like i'm cherry picking. This is the current global reality, which we either say spheres of influence don't work in the nuclear era and we need to progress as a globe to something better, like national sovereignty remaining within its own borders in a global league of nations, or accept this is what happens.

Edited August 9 by BlueOak

[Nivsch]

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

By BRICS standards this is war is justified and fine. Israel is taking what they consider theirs and forming buffer zones around their state. That's what China and Russia do, supported by their BRICS allies. If this is the reality most of the world is calling for, then that's what we have to accept, while pointing out its insanity of course.

*India is one step away from doing this to Pakistan also. Armenia - Azerbaijan. Turkey - Greece. Everyone - Syria. So its not like i'm cherry picking. This is the current global reality, which we either say spheres of influence don't work in the nuclear era and we need to progress as a globe to something better, like national sovereignty remaining within its own borders in a global league of nations, or accept this is what happens.

But the one who’s supporting it the most isn’t BRICS but the US. They attacked the UN, ICC and Unesco because of Israel.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

 

[Karmadhi]

11 hours ago, BlueOak said:

By BRICS standards this is war is justified and fine. Israel is taking what they consider theirs and forming buffer zones around their state. That's what China and Russia do, supported by their BRICS allies. If this is the reality most of the world is calling for, then that's what we have to accept, while pointing out its insanity of course.

I havent seen Russia or China or India intentionally try to starve 2 million civilians and murder 20.000 childreen out of a population of 2 million

We had the war where Azerbajan took land in Armenia in 2020 and barely any civilian casualties

Even the Russia war on Ukraine in 3 years has around 12.000-20.000 civilian deaths out of a population of 40 million

Israel brutality is too much even for BRICS standards

The issue is not the war itself, but the war crimes and insanely high death toll proportional to the population

I have not seen BRICS countries commit such war crimes and suffering towards innocent civilians in the recent wars where they have participated

So its not the same in my opinion

Edited August 9 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

On 8/4/2025 at 9:51 PM, Nivsch said:

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

What do the average Israelis think of the new famine in Gaza and the whole new aid system

[Raze]

30 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

What do the average Israelis think of the new famine in Gaza and the whole new aid system

They don’t care or support it.

[BlueOak]

20 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

But the one who’s supporting it the most isn’t BRICS but the US. They attacked the UN, ICC and Unesco because of Israel.

The ones supporting Israels actions is America yes. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of most of this forum in being okay when Russia, China, and India supported by BRICS do this compared to Israel. They claim a neighbouring region on a map and invade it. Kashmir, Tibet, the South China sea (all related islands), Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia (Abkhazia) East Turkestan etc etc. They say its okay because of its proximity, so its better than when America does it globally.

Its like they have blinders on. They'll pull 50 justifications for the above and then ignore every justification Israel gives because it doesn't suit their narrative. 

So by that standard Israel doing this is perfectly fine. Occupying Gaza would be normal. (It's not; the whole thing is insane.)

Edited August 10 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

11 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

I havent seen Russia or China or India intentionally try to starve 2 million civilians and murder 20.000 childreen out of a population of 2 million

We had the war where Azerbajan took land in Armenia in 2020 and barely any civilian casualties

Even the Russia war on Ukraine in 3 years has around 12.000-20.000 civilian deaths out of a population of 40 million

Israel brutality is too much even for BRICS standards

The issue is not the war itself, but the war crimes and insanely high death toll proportional to the population

I have not seen BRICS countries commit such war crimes and suffering towards innocent civilians in the recent wars where they have participated

So its not the same in my opinion

I have it was called the holodomor. Russia starved Eastern Ukraine, replaced eastern Ukraine with Russian colonists, they educated them as Russian with their language. Now they claim its Russian, and wage war over it, which would be sick - But its a lie of course, there are 50 other reasons they are fighting that war. Heck they recently disappeared many thousands of Ukranian children into Russia, and Putin was named a war criminal as a result.

China genocided the Uyghur population of East Turkestan, they put them in camps to eradicate their culture and disappear those who don't agree. They are eradicating Tibetan culture.

Russia have disappeared anyone who doesn't accept the Russian occupation of Ukraine. They've just been more efficent in their exterimination, they don't bother with starvation these days, they bomb them to nothing, occupy and then send them to front or remove them outright. - They also do this with their minority cultures, using them up as their fodder to take more of Eastern Europe and cultures more closely related to the Muscovites. 

You just cherry pick the information you like because it suits a narrative you have.

Even if the above was NOT TRUE. This is a border war, its the same thing. Its horrific when done over a civilian population hostile to the invaders. Which is what happens when a country tries to impose its will over a country that doesn't consider itself part of it. - Re: The Uyghur, Taiwan, Ukraine etc.

You and many people in this thread are hypocrites. I am sorry to be blunt, and check your ego, but it drives me nuts to read it over and over.

*You are now going to reply this was in the past, not 5 years ago, and i'll reply China uses the past sometimes up to 1,000 years ago, to justify its foreign policy. Russia certainly does also.

Edited August 10 by BlueOak

[PurpleTree]

33 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

The ones supporting Israels actions is America yes. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of most of this forum in being okay when Russia, China, and India supported by BRICS do this compared to Israel. They claim a neighbouring region on a map and invade it. Kashmir, Tibet, the South China sea (all related islands), Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia (Abkhazia) East Turkestan etc etc. They say its okay because of its proximity, so its better than when America does it globally.

Its like they have blinders on. They'll pull 50 justifications for the above and then ignore every justification Israel gives because it doesn't suit their narrative. 

So by that standard Israel doing this is perfectly fine. Occupying Gaza would be normal. (It's not; the whole thing is insane.)

No not even by “those standards” though.

Because most Israelis settled there a few decades ago.