Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Have you been in the army?

Yes (non-combatant)

Edited June 11 by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Yes (non-combatant)

Are there many people who refuse to go?

I think ultra Orthodox Jews usually refuse to go.

[Nivsch]

26 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Are there many people who refuse to go?

Actually today - yes. Many refuse to do reserves but I will add to here what I read after I find it. Here is data about units inside IDF calling to end the war:

https://x.com/restart_israel/status/1913233098356949215

The olive-green circles are IDF units, and the numbers are IDF serving members who participate in the official letters. No official refusal mentioned here but as far as I know many refuse, I will try to find the link to that too.

26 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I think ultra Orthodox Jews usually refuse to go.

You are right. Most ultra Orthodox refuse to enlist to IDF.

Edited June 12 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

Ok this is about actual refusals of many reservists due to a deep loss of identification with the values of Netanyahu’s government (translated with Google Lens)

Edited June 12 by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

13 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Ok this is about actual refusals of many reservists due to a deep loss of identification with the values of Netanyahu’s government (translated with Google Lens)

The ones who refuse. Do they go to jail?

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

The ones who refuse. Do they go to jail?

Usually not. They are reservists (their service isn't mandatory like it is for 18-21 year-olds).

Edited June 12 by Nivsch

[samijiben]

Israel launches preemptive strike against Iran. 

Attacks nuke sites and military facilities. 

Shit is about to escalate. 

Jesus Christ, send a prayer.

[kray]

10 minutes ago, samijiben said:

Israel launches preemptive strike against Iran. 

Attacks nuke sites and military facilities. 

Shit is about to escalate. 

Jesus Christ, send a prayer.

Damn…just damn, that’s all I have to say. Wouldn’t want to say anything to offend our overlords….

[BlessedLion]

From CNN
 

”Trump offered no signals in the immediate aftermath of the attacks that he was prepared to use American military assets to help defend Israel from expected Iranian reprisal, as his predecessor Joe Biden did when Israel and Iran exchanged fire last year.

Without American assistance, Israel’s air defenses could be unable to withstand a major Iranian onslaught.”

 

Let’s see how this unfolds 

[Atb210201]

Tehran and many more cities just got bombed.

[Twentyfirst]

What does a preemptive strike even mean

[samijiben]

@Twentyfirst preemptive means taking measures b4 Iran develops Nukes, according to Israel militsry philosophy.

They attack preemptively in anticipation of Iran attacking them.

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, samijiben said:

@Twentyfirst preemptive means taking measures b4 Iran develops Nukes, according to Israel militsry philosophy.

They attack preemptively in anticipation of Iran attacking them.

Ahh the good old self defense excuse 

[samijiben]

@Twentyfirst Iran is a real, existential threat to the survival of Israel.

Why do you think they invest so much time & energy into developing nukes?

You think they just want to have the nukes to have them?

 

[Twentyfirst]

31 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@Twentyfirst Iran is a real, existential threat to the survival of Israel.

Why do you think they invest so much time & energy into developing nukes?

You think they just want to have the nukes to have them?

 

That's like saying the guy I don't like is working out in the gym to build muscle so I have to kill him 

[Lyubov]

Iran with nukes would mean Israel would be fucked, at the same time I’m not sure I support Iran having nukes is a good idea. Read about their world view. 

[samijiben]

@Twentyfirst lol, yeah, just like saying I gotta take a dump

 

All is 1, habibi

[zazen]

There is obviously posturing in negotiations - which is what the whole withdrawal from US bases may have been about - to show Iran they mean business on Sundays final talk. But that was seems to be de-railed by Israel’s attack.

We’ll see if Iran remains restrained like last time when they attacked with warning and co-ordination to save face.

Seems to be following the Iraq WMD script.

This was written yesterday:

 

Israel can’t prevent Iran from gaining a nuke as they have the knowledge to do so. It may delay or make them think twice about it - but the ability remains. Irans facilities are deep within the mountains that can’t be reached.

Trump has said the bottom line is no nukes for Iran. Irans has said bottom line is no one can tell us not to enrich uranium for civilian purposes at least. When Israel says Iran is just around the corner from a nuke today - they aren’t wrong. But it’s not because they are making one - it’s because their level of enrichment is at the threshold where if they decide to go ahead and make a nuke, they could increase it and have one within days.

A bad attack on Iran just makes it more likely as they feel at existential risk.

Why would Iran trust Israel/US? Gaddafi in Libya agreed to abandon his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) program in exchange for normalised relations and he was couped. The Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) was struck in 2015 and complied with and yet Trump pulled out of it 3 years later. The region has been destroyed by these same players and your next on the chopping block expected to trust them..

Edited June 13 by zazen

[Raze]

3 hours ago, samijiben said:

@Twentyfirst Iran is a real, existential threat to the survival of Israel.

Why do you think they invest so much time & energy into developing nukes?

You think they just want to have the nukes to have them?

 

We’ve been being told this for literally decades.

They aren’t investing in having nukes. They are investing in having the ability to make nukes but never made them.

It’s because states the US doesn’t like without nukes get toppled. Such as Iraq or Libya.

If they had nukes they wouldn’t use them because then they’d be quickly nuked themselves.

[Raze]

17 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

The ones who refuse. Do they go to jail?

They do jail them if they publicly say they are refusing out of empathy for Palestinians.

Example: https://www.newarab.com/news/idf-jailed-him-refusing-gaza-service-he-says-it-worth-it?amp

Nivisch never post about the ones refusing for humanitarian reasons like he doesn’t ever post statements by the few israeli politicians who say they are against killings of civilians in Gaza.