Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

@Raze Public opinion tend to fluctuate depending on the current events too.

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[Raze]

7 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze Public opinions tend to flactuate depending on the current events too.

In America it was stable until 2018 and began slowly declining after the great march of return. 
Odds are it will continue to trend downward after everything that happened.

 

[zazen]

@Nivsch @Raze

[Nivsch]

Former Deputy Chief of staff and former Chief of staff (head of IDF) respectively.

Edited June 5 by Nivsch

[zazen]

@Nivsch Do these oppositional voices in Israel ever mention that a worthy reason to end the war is also about ending the suffering of the Palestinians? Because it seems it’s always simply focused on the hostages.

It just looks like Palestinian suffering is not morally relevant unless it affects Israeli interests ie getting back the hostages, less IDF deaths or cooling down the worlds anger towards Israel.

The ending the war discourse always centres around approx 50 hostages now, as if the thousands upon thousands of suffering Palestinians isn’t worthy enough of a reason to ending the war also.

Golan says Israel needs healing and rebuilding as if Gaza hasn’t just been demolished and traumatised to the extreme.

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[Nivsch]

@zazen Actually Moshe Yaalon did say 2 or 3 months ago "Ethnic cleansing" and Yair Golan also say many times in different ways that the continuation of this war doesn't represent our values and specifically talked about the babies who get killed. You can check out both senior's tweets through all the previous months they are quite repeat their messages in different words all the time.

[zazen]

@Nivsch That’s good to hear. Even this is nice to see:

 

[Raze]

4 hours ago, zazen said:

@Nivsch That’s good to hear. Even this is nice to see:

This is representative of maybe 4% of Israeli Jews and that is being generous. 

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[Twentyfirst]

 

[Nivsch]

@Raze Even if you are stage green person in California, you will most likely have an hard time to care about mexican people if 3000 people of yours got killed from a terror attack came from there just a year ago. You would likely prefer to spread your caring on other issues related to emphaty and justice and such issues arent in absense inside your society's world. What doesnt come to justify indifference and the problems of it, but this filtering phenomena is common to human condition regardless of developmental levels.

Edited June 6 by Nivsch

[hundreth]

On 6/4/2025 at 6:31 PM, Raze said:

In the west it’s only the US still at 50/50 territory, and that goes when the boomer goes. Israel is reaching Apartheid South Africa territory, which is why they are rushing to finish the job.

You don’t realize it because you have consensus bias, but it is false, most people don’t have beliefs of Jewish supremacy or dehumanization of Palestinians to the same level as Israel supporters. 

 

I agree with you that support for Israel is dropping.

I just don't think this will ultimately change the outcome. The Israelis aren't going to self destruct because of international pressure. There will either need to be a two state peace plan or an all out war where Israel is militarily defeated. In which case, from the river to the sea would become the reality where Jews are wiped out. The rest is fantasy.

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, hundreth said:

I agree with you that support for Israel is dropping.

I just don't think this will ultimately change the outcome. The Israelis aren't going to self destruct because of international pressure. There will either need to be a two state peace plan or an all out war where Israel is militarily defeated. In which case, from the river to the sea would become the reality where Jews are wiped out. The rest is fantasy.

Or enough people will leave Israel because of the ongoing war, government and tensions that the state can’t move on in similar fashion.

[zazen]

 

[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, hundreth said:

There will either need to be a two state peace plan

Three state solution - Israel, Judea (constitutional seperation) and Palestine. The best one.

Edited June 6 by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

Kyle Kulinsky (who seemingly might have a slight peroxide and vape addiction)

says there might be a shift in media on the reporting of this issue.

[Nivsch]

[zazen]

Something is afoot. Iran-US talks not going as planned, Iran releasing intelligence of Israeli nuclear assets, Israel maybe prepping something against Iran potentially .. it’s gonna be a wild summer.

 

 

Edited June 11 by zazen

[kbone]

39 minutes ago, zazen said:

Something is afoot. Iran-US talks not going as planned, Iran releasing intelligence of Israeli nuclear assets, Israel maybe prepping something against Iran potentially .. it’s gonna be a wild summer.

 

No bueno.

[Nivsch]

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Have you been in the army?