Israel / Palestine News Thread

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I do agree we shouldn’t keep digging into the past but the entire existence of Israel is based on a fairytale about some promised land from the past. It would be one thing if Israel recognized the majority of their land is stolen and that could open up a dialogue to address the present issue. But Israel actively justifies and spins a fairytale to actively justify they stole almost their entire country. How can you ever forge an agreement with such liars? It’s not possible to make agreement with liars. 

Can you really steal land though?

[Raze]

28 minutes ago, hundreth said:

The last time Jews had a majority in that region is now. It's not a fairytale if it's real.

Now we have to live with that reality and find the best path forward instead of continuously litigating the past.

They don’t have a majority, the majority are Palestinians, but most Palestinians are kept without rights and no input over the government that controls their lives and brutalizes them daily. 

34 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Two things can be true at once. Iran is crazy and the west's strategy might not be rational. 

it’s completely rational, Iran is an obstacle to Israel completing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, so they lobby the US to put Iran in a situation to provoke it into a regional war to try and decimate its population and remove its ability to resist 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Raze

[Raze]

39 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The fact you respond so cynically only strenghtening my point. You overlook half of the equation. I can also say that most of the Palesinians who live here are offsprings of work immigrants who came here only decades before Israel, but I choose to not dismiss the Palestinians roots here.

This is from the book “From Time Immemorial” and has been completely debunked.

 

[Inliytened1]

On 9/30/2024 at 11:09 PM, Leo Gura said:

Netanyahu isn't wrong, Iran would be better off without radical Islamists rulers. But there is no way of removing Islamism from Iran by force. Attempting to do so will only impower the radicals. And it is not for Netanyahu to decide who should rule Iran, as if Iran can decide who should rule Israel.

Well thats the question, can they?

 

[Lyubov]

48 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Can you really steal land though?

Why don’t we have some armed militants come to where you and your family lived for 100s of years, kick you out, and then you can tell us?

Edited October 2, 2024 by Lyubov

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well thats the question, can they?

 

If they want to try they can.

If Bibi can pull off making Iran more friendly, free and democratic without spilling that much blood, i’ll tip my hat to him for once.

If they drag Europen into a war though then i’ll be really really pissed and very angry.

Edited October 2, 2024 by PurpleTree

[Inliytened1]

23 hours ago, zazen said:

The world should step in to pressure the US to stop facilitating Israel to the extent it is. When the child is being unruly, it’s the parent that other parents in the room go to. In this case America has given Israel a free pass to do as they please for far too long.

When they call on Israel to de-escalate, ceasefire and clean up their conduct and then go on to send billions despite Israel never listening - that becomes an unhealthy habit of behaviour that becomes a moral hazard for Israel itself.

Some amongst the US elite even wish to use Israel as a Middle Eastern political battering ram, to see Israel escalate against Iran but who will bear none of the costs or pay the blood price for their neocon fantasies. If America didn’t unconditionally back Israel, Israel wouldn’t do what it’s doing and we wouldn’t be where we are.

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1841135520715342013?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ

Well stand by because WWIII is a lot closer than it was even a few months ago.  But alas, this attack from Iran was foiled by the Israeli's defenses with the help of it's allies....it's allies...so the US is supporting Israel but does not support further proactive aggression.  They do not support a counter strike on Iran now.  However I think the chips are already on the table - the sides have been chosen and for good reason.  This is so obvious i can't believe i have to say this but the US is not simply going to drop Israel as an ally.  If it did that it would be perceived as supporting Iran and it doesn’t for reasons it has already expressed.  So ultimately it will come down to Iran backing down or a more wider struggle.

So as far as criticizing the US i think you can't because they are Israel's ally - they can't force Israel's hand in this even Vance said that in the debate for you right wingers. 

And there are allies on both sides so I'm sure Iran would do whatever if it had a superpower behind them.   God knows what. So why don't they?  

Don't hate the player hate the game.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

@Heaven

You are buying way too much into right wing propaganda my friend.  If you believe that there wouldn't be war had Republicans stayed in office.   It was just how time unfolded.  You could just as easily say that Trump's presidency had no wars because of the previous administration.

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Christians lived there for Millennia too and originated there. They could also claim it.

For 300 years and they have a right to be part of Israel if they feel connection.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well thats the question, can they?

 

Regime change in Iran is the worst idea since regime change in Iraq.

[Atb210201]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Regime change in Iran is the worst idea since regime change in Iraq.

But most of the Iranian people want this to happen though you don't know how much they hate the regime here.

And they also are cheering for Israel to keep on doing what it's doing just because it might lead to regime change in Iran.

Just the other night the message from Netanyahu to Iranians had way more likes on twitter than the tweets of the supreme leader of Iran in fact mostly the mentions under the tweets of the supreme leader of Iran are hateful messages from Iranian people and insults and jokes to him and his regime.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Atb210201

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

But most of the Iranian people want this to happen though you don't know how much they hate the regime here.

And they also are cheering for Israel to keep on doing what it's doing just because it might lead to regime change in Iran.

We've heard this nonsense before Iraq.

If you support invading Iran, I will support invading Israel and overthrowing all the Zionists.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Atb210201]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We've heard this nonsense before Iraq.

I am from Iran really this is the case trust me.

Most of Iranians really hate our regime here.

Although the regime calls most of the people ignorant and naive and deceived by the enemy.

But most of the people do really hate the regime and are on Israel's side tbh.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Atb210201

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Atb210201 said:

I am from Iran really this is the case trust me.

Most of Iranians really hate our regime here.

Aren’t they (Iranians) scared that regime change might just end up in decades of civil war and not "happily ever after"?

[Inliytened1]

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33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Regime change in Iran is the worst idea since regime change in Iraq.

There will be pros and cons to weigh. Iraq is it's own situation.  And there you have the false intelligence of WMD tainting the US' decision.   But what if that intelligence had been correct.   Also you end, in that case, a brutal dicatorship responsible for human rights abuses and a force in the region that caused destabilization.  Yes it could give rise to groups like ISIS and internal turmoil leading to loss of life. 

At the end of the day did removing him from power make things better?  Well, what would you do about Trump if he got in power?

Your views on Trump are no different than @Atb210201 are only he's living it.

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

I am from Iran really this is the case trust me.

Most of Iranians really hate our regime here.

You are asking for 20 years of bloody civil war where 1M+ of you will die.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Why don’t we have some armed militants come to where you and your family lived for 100s of years, kick you out, and then you can tell us?

That was a gradual escalation of both sides since 1920s.

[Atb210201]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

Aren’t they (Iranians) scared that regime change might just end up in decades of civil war and not "happily ever after"?

No they are just fed up and say whatever happens is better than this.

[Atb210201]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

You are asking for 20 years of bloody civil war where 1M+ of you will die.

I also am not pro regime change as much as most of the people in my country are.

But the people have just became crazy nowadays in Iran they just want whatever and anything but this regime.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

lThere will be pros and cons to weigh.

Don't you dare start with this. Invading Iran is a garbage idea, not to mention illegal and immoral.

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Your views on Trump are no different than @Atb210201 are only he's living it.

If Iranians want to change their government they are welcome to do so. Not Israel. Not America.

If Israel invades Iran then I will support death to Israel. The bias here is just shameless.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Leo Gura