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@Breakingthewall @Someone here I think the key here shouldn't be whether reeincarnation exists or not but whether in what ways our life is a replication of someone else's acts Because clearly, in a way, reality is reincarnating. Yesterday more than 300.000 babies were born. There is the proof, that Reality is recycling itself. Without new babies, without new life happening, even if reincarnation exist you would not have a body to reincarnate into. I see interesting in observing the following: When you are having sex with a woman what is that you are doing? In a way, You are doing an act based on a memory imprint on the system, on a certain volition, this imprint tells you, feel attraction towards that woman, and not towards a dog. So the process of creation comes with a certain software, so it can replicate itself. Because the creation wants to survive, so it makes you horny, so you can have sex and reality can keep replicating. So there is something clear: We don´t exactly know if you had past lifes or if you will have future lives, but is clear there are certain acts in reality that allow reality to keep replicating itself. So even if this is your last life for you, you are collaborating with the software that makes the replication possible. Whether it will be you or not, we don´t know it. But some parts of Reality will have to give life to those 300.000 babies bodies.

My 5 cents: No matter what solution/concept we discuss here re reincarnation - it's still a story. Some people apparently said some things about reality, and suddenly it's a thing. Green lamas are gonna rule the universe. I found an old scroll where Jesus talks about it, Sadhguru was there too they both agree and [enter random Name here] believes the same So why do we even assume there is a "constant thing" like reincarnation that defines reality? If reality is one thing, then it's constant change, isn't it? So maybe reincarnation was a thing once, no it is no more? Maybe it will come back like the 80s Maybe everyone lives out his/her own reality: You get reincarnated, I don't. Coin flip, nothing else. Why do we assume that there are fixed rules governing all of us the same? Yeah, humans are similar, we all breath, eat, sleep etc but we all also create our own subjective reality and if we are one thing, then we are different, right? So many people talk like they know sth. I say nobody knows anything. I say nobody knows shit.

I've shared the 5 Sheaths Theory before here on the Forum, I think it explains it well and detailed as to what reincarnates and such... What dissolves at physical death is the Earth Body and the Mind Body (Intellect, Discretion, Personal Memories and such), what goes on is the Energy Body, Etheric Body, Bliss Body (I am not sure what the Bliss Body is, is it a covering for the Atman/Soul, or is it that itself??) Karma is Stored in the Energy Body, so that goes along as reincarnation is happening... Some of what Your talking about is not Karma, its Duality at play which can cause Karma to be in place and being created moment to moment I guess? Karma is cause and affect, residual memory imprints from previous actions in 4 places as a Human Being, Body, Mind, Emotion and Energy, action in these 4 areas are happening on a moment to moment basis, how Aware are You/WE of these actions all the time?? Probably its at a nil level, so therefore most ppl are living by accident, not on purpose or with Consciousness of What they are, and What it means to be Human...But the situation is set up to be perfect almost, Nature if left alone is almost Perfect, the way our planet revolves around the Sun for as long as it is and will be, its perfect, as it the rest of the Universe and Existence, but things are not so perfect on this planet in the Human World, cause we have Free Choice/Will to chose how to experience this perfect place and Universe, via Unconsciousness or Consciousness??

Reincarnation intuitively seems very possible, I feel that life is a path to learn, but that's true? Maybe all mystics had this kind of feeling and they accepted that reincarnation is a logical possibility. In other hand many said that they remember past lifes, but is that true? Maybe. I think it's a possibility quite possible

@Ishanga@Javfly33 @Hojo what exactly the thing that reincarnates? The body? The soul? The self? The Self? The awareness? The ego? All? Some? What??? Because as a matter of observable fact the body decays into dust and rot alright?.. Once your physical body dies it just dissolves into it's essential elements and just evaporates in nature.. Gets diffused into the soil etc. So that's that. What is it exactly that reincarnates then because obviously it's not the body? The self? There is no self "inside "the body lol !. The body is inside the" Self". There is no ghost inside the machine. What you really have is a machine inside the ghost lol. The self (ego) is a negative hole that appears as a consequence (byproduct) of entanglement of thoughts.. perceptions.. feelings etc. It's a misidentification really. It's a negative.. not an existing entity onto itself. So there is no self to reincarnate. IMO reincarnation is no different from Abrahamic religion's notions of hell and heaven.. Both have ZERO evidence!. As for karma as an evidence that supports reincarnation.. Well it's simply that for each up there is a down and for each action there is a reaction. You throw up a ball in the sky.. It falls down in the opposite direction taking the exact time that it took to reach the highest peak to fall from it into the ground. That's karma. The universe is already at perfect balance. There is no need for reincarnation to achieve balance as if balance could be lost to begin with. Balance is already the case. It's inconceivable that something unbalanced could even exist! And if you look at it from a pantheistic worldview.. You are already living inside every creature in this planet.. So at the moment that you are beheading a chicken you are the chicken that's being beheaded and the human who is beheading it simultaneously. Karma is instant.

Best way I can describe what I think reincarnation is with simulation theory. Pretend that you are a computer right now you have a hard drive you have a gpu you have ram you have a power supply and you have power.The power coming into the computer is God. You are so used to the on state that you forget that you even have seperate parts working in unison to create your experience. Death would be like you noticing all your separate parts working together to form your current experience as the power slowly leaves them one at a time and then you sit there in an off state and forget you were even running a simulation. Most people dont know there is something that is them but not them flowing through them the energy of God. The creator of their simulation.(coming from the plug in the wall) Seeing this is the first part of spirituality. Now God is farming simulations. The simulations can over time remeber their off states. They become aware enough to 'see' when they are off and they will remeber that they are a simulation faster when they are turned on. This is a signal to God (the power in you coming from an unknown source like a plug in the wall) that you are gaining consciousness. We as simulation have information from our own computers that is being uploaded to the internet and we are playing a video game together as the energy of God flowing through our computers. Moksha (I think) is like the simulation saying Hey! Im not the computer im the power coming from the plug in the wall! Im going to go there when I die and merge with the fucking energy of the universe, not just sit in my off state. Or its like the computer saying hey my avatar dosent exist on a personal computer it exists within the internet and when you die you live on the internet not a personal computer simulation and never turn off. Not knowing this is sitting as an off computer until someone uses your simulation again.

@Someone here Because I can't remember any previous lives or physical deaths, I try not to believe or disbelieve anything I learn about, especially matters such as this, reincarnation, but it sounds good! I think this process comes about via Karma at play, it has to be worked out or burned up and most times it takes more than 80 yrs to do so, since ppl are creating more Karma along the way, so as they say many lifetimes are needed to play it all out... In the end its all about Absolute, this Brahma getting to experience and express itself imho, otherwise why are we and all this creation here?? Sadhguru says to never ask why, when You do then as story has to be told to You and via that a belief or disbelief is born which leads us further away from Experientially knowing, someday we will find out for sure:)

Reincarnation has been part of eastern Dharmic religions ( Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism,Sikhism ) as well as Taoism, and also native european belief systems such as the Orphic Greeks, Celts, native German, Slav and Norse religions for milleniums. Reincarnation is also a belief in native north American tribes such as the Inuit, Navajo, Tlingit, Haida. Gitxsan, Dene Dháa . Also african tribes such as the Igbo, Nupe and Yoruba of Nigeria, Akamba of Kenya, Akan of Ghana, Baganda of Uganda. Also in some cultural groups in the native Australians. Even in the Abrahamic traditions, reincarnation as a belief exists among the Druze, Islamic shia sects (Alawites, Ahmadi religion of peace and light. ) , Jewish Kaballah, early Christian sects of Cathars, Bologmils ( which were persecuted to extinction by the Catholic church) and modern christian sects like 'The Christian Community , 'The Order of The Cross' , Kardecism. In western psychiatry and psychology as well, the likes of Dr. Brian Weiss, Dr. Michael Newton , Dr. Ian stevenson ,Dr. Jim Tucker and others has compiled a body of research work substantiating reincarnation and showing that it may have a basis in fact.

@Javfly33 @Ishanga @Breakingthewall In Buddhism they believe in reincarnation and karma. You keep reincarnating after death until you "pay" all your karma and then you stop and cease to exist completely. That state of cessation and nothingness is called "Nirvana ". It's basically a form of salvation and being free from the sufferings of life. (because according to Buddhism.. life is suffering). I was raised as a Hindu. Hinduism also have moksha . Which is when the self realises its The Self .when the drop realises its the entire ocean and dissolves into infinity . Its also in Hinduism called when atman (the human self ) awakens to the realization that its Brahman (the universal Self or the "all") What do you think of the Buddhist and Hindu narrative? And what is your own definition of Nirvana? Of course anyone is free to comment..maybe Leo or @Princess Arabia or @Davino or @Hojo or @Razard86etc . But I tagged these three members on top because I read them using these terms often and i want to get a full comprehensive idea of how this works . To me..life is not a video game ..with past lives and accumulated karma and shit like that . We just born ..live ..die ..and disappear as a finite human..and then you exist as formless consciousness forever. But then again why the hell shouldn't a limited form exist again ? Bottom line is consciousness is immortal .it can't die in its most basic absolute form .but the details remain a mystery. I guess we all gonna die and find out .or...?

Yes but how to go deep enough to understand what is that process that is happening and where it leads, what are the mechanics of the cosmos. There is possible to know such things, or are just fantasies? Reincarnation, etc. Some says that they remember past lifes and they know exactly why this life is happening and where this leads. Maybe it's true, maybe no. But could be true

@decentralized Get to the basics, come back to earth. Create a goal for yourself, join some free free education course or get some certifications if you can (you might even apply for some low-skill job to get some cash going), do some Physical exercise (even just cardio is great) and get some therapy if you can. Having a voice in your head telling you things, is NEVER a good thing. You have to feel like you are the one the one making the decisions. In the meanwhile i would suggest you toput aside the piritual imaginary and culture for now (Reincarnation, ego death, chakras etc). Stay away from energetic practices stuff like Kundalini and Kriya Yoga. If you do that kind stuf without a mentor it can ruin you. Don't fall into the trap of spiritualizing you problems. Very few issues are purely spiritual and most can be resolved by taking action in the world. I think you should just leave the habit of doing some do-nothing meditation like 30 min everyday and let go of everything that appears in your experience, if you get kriyas, let it do their things, accept and kidly let go off of every thoughts you find intrusive or negative. Simple Hatha Yoga can be can be good aswell. Focus on getting beck on track with life in general. Once you get the boat going you can dive deep in spirituality again.

Well if that's the case..then why make dozens of threads about cessation..mahasmadhi..non existence..ending the cycle of reincarnation etc ? If you feel happy just by existing then this is good. This a sign of enlightenment. But i don't believe you're "there "yet . I've followed your posts over the years ...you improved..but you still believe the true nature is nothingness and not both nothingness and everythingness ..which oddly enough you seem to contradict once again with this post. So what's the deal jav?

Ever since I was a kid I could lucid dream , but conversely I had dreams that were way more dissociative than the average dream. I would become a woman , or an old man and have a completely different set of memories and life in my dream. This scared me because this experience made me feel that my Self, is my identity and to lose this identity is to die permanently. No different than an eternal void. Reincarnation which comforts others as an afterlife was unacceptable to me. You are telling me if I die and come back as a bee and have the consciousness of a bee with no prior memories of this life that I have survived death? NO! I would have died, that bee is not me. Death haunts me, I don't want to lose this identity for it feels like losing myself in totality. Now if I die and I am a bee , but there is a continuity, i.e. the same sense of self and past memories, that I can accept. Nobody seems to get what I'm trying to say here. I understand there is an awareness that continues, I have experienced it first hand when I had vivid dreams that I am a middle aged woman with a family ( I am a male in my young 20's). I know there was still an awareness there, but it wasn't me. Yes I understand all identities are equally valid and real since reality is relative. This whoever doesn't solve the fear and attachment this current ego feels to it's current identity. Even referring to it as "this ego" feels weird because I am going into third person when all I'm referring to is myself. Yes yes I know what you will already say, but it is not comforting, because I am selfish and only care about the continued existence of this present identity I feel to be ME.

Science and Reincarnation...

That's correct. But you don't have access to the cheat codes . Otherwise go ahead and materialise for me a chicken biryani dish because I'm starving right now in college 😂. You see..you have denied yourself the access to the rules of reality deliberately to make life more fun and exciting or adventures. My comment was meant to shed light on this naive view of yours about reincarnation and mahasmadhi. As if you are literally a video game character in a video game world with a lifetime span and second trials .it's not like that bro .

You may not believe in reincarnation, but this current incarnation you are experiencing is a fact, period. No one comes here as carte blanche. In addition to the vehicle that is your body, which was built based on specific information, you also receive at the entrance an extremely subtle software of the ego-mind, which gradually activates and updates itself as you develop as a human being. This software contains a whole lot of engrams of memory traces stretching back to 4 generations. Traumas, dysfunctional behavior patterns, various tendencies, also positive ones. This is shown by the latest epigenetic research. Ergo, if you believe that you are here for the first time (or not), then know that the sum of the conditions into which you are put, visually resembles a very sophisticated cage - maze structure. No relativization of this fact will change anything here. Dream or not dream - it happens, period. Even if you manage to climb the walls of this maze for a moment or jump high enough to see it from a wider perspective - in the end you have to come back here and find the way out yourself. Once you discover this scary beauty of this multidimensional puzzle, this task of getting out of here may seem impossible. Remember that "it always seems impossible unitl it's done" - Nelson Mandela.

Eternal Reincarnation

I wrote on a social group, that it would be so Ironic if Senwar was reincarnated as an Israeli child or if Hitler was reborn as a jew and then someone responded, that already happened it is Netanyahu

Some mystics say that enlightenment is the end of the wheel of reincarnation, that any being that exists is a process from the most basic to enlightenment and fusion with the whole, for example David Hawking says this. According to him, total enlightenment means complete opening to the absolute and from there there is no other way, but at the same time he says that Buddha or Jesus Christ were at level 1000 and the archangels at level 7000. I don't know, it's all speculation, I doubt that any human fully understands what the cosmos is and what the next evolutionary step is. The possible dimensions are literally unimaginable, the possibilities of existence are infinite. Not all forms necessarily have to entail suffering and ignorance. What I do intuitively believe is evident is that the more you go deeper and open up in this life, the better.

All religions are in some way true and mainly , or for the mass, absolutely false, since their objective is not the opening of the individual to the absolute, but rather his adaptation to the social machinery. They all basically function around a punishment/reward axis, and their objective is the castration of individuals to make social commitment viable. Buddhism also works like this through the idea of reincarnation. But at the bottom of all religions there is a kernel of truth: dilute your ego and you will find the absolute. Well, not all, the Nordic or Greek mythologies do not seem very useful in this aspect, but surely there would also be mystics then. In Romans Jupiter could be understood as the absolute for example. Manitou the same, and I guess that in all of them there is a core of truth

@UnbornTao Are you saying to get the nature of life before understanding consciousness? What is your response referring to? If you are referring to understanding the nature of life before understanding reincarnation, I somewhat agree with you.

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I think you need to do more work to establish that reincarnation is true, because from the premises you laid out , reincarnation doesn't seem to follow. Reincarnation usually presuppose more than just what you implied. It usually presupposes that you are a soul (which in my understanding refers to an immortal ego and not to consciousness in a broad metaphysical sense). But Im not read up on reincarnation, and I can grant that the term probably can be cashed out in many different ways. But regardless, my general point is that from eternity reincarnation doesnt necessarily follow. All you establish with eternity and with math is that there is a possibility space and whatever is in that possibility space - that will be eventually actualized. But notice that if reincarnation is not inside that possibility space, then even if you give it infinite time, it will never be actualized. So you basically need to give a supporting argument where you establish that reincarnation is in the possibility space. Once you do that, your conclusion seem to follow (if we accept the other premises).

I have noticed that bringing up the subject of reincarnation arouses almost as much excitement among forum members as endless solipsistic debates. In the case of reincarnation, however, one can sense a distinct resistance to even considering such a possibility among some participants. In conversations with Christian friends, it is similar. Very interesting and funny. Well, it is better to return to nothingness than to reincarnate into the experience of being a small, fat girl with Down syndrome, acne-prone skin and an unpleasant smell of sweat, isn't it? The subject of reincarnation can be an interesting instrument for measuring our current attachment to form, identification with it, and our openess to infinity of existence with its infinite ways of experiencing itself. It showes us where we really are on our journey.

So is reincarnation true? Is there life after death. I want you to contemplate the following quote: "Think of it like this: Before you were born, you were in a state of nonexistence/nothingness -- kind of like how you might imagine death to be. But yet, you were born from this nothingness. It is like you were in death already and yet you came to be! Death is fertile for birth. After you die, you do a similar process as you did when you were born. The Universe knows no time. Eternity is at the blink of an eye. This is one life out of an infinite that you'll live. Existence is the miracle. The Universe is Magic! Welcome to the game of Eternity." In this way, death can be understood as the reset for rebirth. You could be dead for a billion years, but yet, the time between your death and the next life would be as if no time passed at all just like in your sleep. When you die, it will be as if you never even lived, but it will also be as if you never died either. You've lived an infinite number of past lives already, but to live this life requires you to forget all the others. Is reincarnation true? Well, what is the alternative? That you die and never wake up? Or that you wake up from nothingness just as you have already done before? How is it even possible that you were born in the first place? Do you see how existence is like rolling a double six. It might be improbable, but the Universe is eternal. That means that it has eternity to make the 1/10000000000000000000000000000000 probability happen. This 1/10000000000000000000000000000000 is life itself. No other planet that we know of has life on it. The Universe will keep rolling until it hits the 1/10000000000000000000000000000000. But it will be as if life is a given. It will be as if rolling a double six was meant to be. If the Universe is eternal, then it makes sense that life, no matter how improbable it is, will inevitably exist. Life is inevitable because of eternity. In the same way, how could your rebirth not be inevitable because of Eternity?