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In this forum very few people had Kundalini awakening. But that doesn't mean they don't know truth. Kundalini awakening is not everything. Understanding, consciousness development etc plays a role. Chasing bliss in spirituality will probably end up like you. It's ego who wants that. You have not transcended your ego enough so you are suffering . Because the bliss state you lost makes it even more harder for the ego. I think that's what the dark night of the soul describes. It's a common phenomenon on the path to enlightenment. You need to return to the spiritual path once again, but from the right intentions. Otherwise you will end up probably in misery again. And prepare everything for serious work. Have stable income, good diet, sport etc so that you have a strong basis you can rely on when things get heavy.

Here is my life story condensed: I have had it, I will tell the Truth After many years of experience, I know the Truth, and it is dark. A dark, dark place. I was bullied throughout my years in school, except at some level in Junior College. Right from kindergarten, Primary School and Secondary School. But I was perfect. I had no real flaws, no real failings or falls. My struggles won me strength, and around an early age that I can't remember, I walked the straight and narrow spiritual path. And from my efforts, I won me Enlightenment. It was perfect, I could strongly declare it perfect then. It was partly because I met a Guru at 17. My friend told me about him, and said very positive things about him, mainly that "you should meet him", and that it will be an "eye-opener". I did, and when he first met me in school, he looked astounded, brought me aside, and asked me to ask him anything about spirituality or religion. I asked him later why he had this look on his face when he met me. He said "sometimes I meet someone that my Lord favours". So we talked, and I finally asked him to teach me the secrets of life. He said he could, but it will cost me. As we talked however, I managed to convince him to teach it to me for free. He brought me to a book store, and showed me a book on Islam to read, saying we need "cannot be building castles in the sky". So I read it, two pages, and failed at fulfilling my promise. At the start of the next year, he came online on MSN again, and told me this "go to army first and learn to be a man boy, then come to me!" This really affected me, because here was someone so keen on helping me, and here I was doing nothing. So it went on, and he messaged me on MSN around the March holidays. He said, "How's things with you?" I said I had a dream where he gained a divine name. "He said, congratulations, you have some levels." Then I asked, "What is God?", for which he replied, "This is not what a true person will say." So he then taught me a meditation, for which I did twice. According to a Spiritualist, when I did that meditation, I attracted blood demons to inject their blood into me, because there was a spiritual clash when I did the meditation at night, which I did with verbalising a lot of vibrations with my mouth, repeating the verse, "Om". Sometime after, he asked me how I felt, if there were any changes. I couldn't really tell, because it was very subtle, for which he said again, "Looks like you still got a long way to go." Within a span of one month though, I came to feel an extremely high energy within me. It was pure, purity, if I was to describe or label it, a very strong surge of pure energy. Then sometime after, after some serious investigation into the nature of Life, I awakened my Kundalini. The singular most powerful moment in my life. At that point, I was happy, supremely happy. I had everything I ever wanted, and was satisfied. My only fear and issue is if I couldn't bring my enlightenment with me to after my exams, for which I was aiming for straight A's. Because I could see my doom coming, because I was getting a bit too complicated. I asked the Guru, is there anything I should know, he said "Nope." I wanted to really ask, if I was to fall, I want to fall after my exams. Also, it was the Guru who told me my Kundalini was awakened. I told him that for some reason, I was feeling very confident. He said "What you are experiencing is Kundalini, when the negative energy channels start to open. Some say it is Enlightenment, but it is nothing, it is just mechanism, what we want is True Lord." Also, the Spiritualist is my cousin's boyfriend's father, and there was once when we were house visiting, she came into my grandma's house and talked about his father, and I was intrigued given my interest at that moment, but I waited 30 minutes before coming out of the room, but she had left already. As you can see, my life is quite unfortunate. So within the months of April, May, June, July, August, September, I was experiencing a tremendous bliss, powerfully transformative. I was very high on life, due to the Kundalini. Nothing could touch me, or at least apparently, for here I now tell my tragic story. I was the class monitor, and was given a task on Monday to make a Teacher's Day Card for Friday. I was thinking as I was enlightened, I could do it on my own pace, and also, if I hurried, I might seem insecure. On the Thursday, I went in front of the class, after our last lesson, and this guy, I admit he has strong leadership skills and willpower, if arrogant, who was a prefect, so knew we had to make the card, went out of the classroom and said, "I got to go, I got stuff to do", and just left me standing there, and then the whole class joined in "Sorry, Calixtus! We got stuff to do as well." In this manner I was destroyed, my first falling. Honestly, at this point, I could still salvage myself. I might have fallen, but it wasn't beyond help. But honestly, it was in Army that shiet happened. I wasn't in the right state of mind to enter army. A tough place. I was diagnosed as "schizophrenia" in army, in 1 minute by the doctor, who was a manipulative person. Then after that, I was designated to the Navy, and everyday as a clerk, I would go insane at them laughing at me. First of all, because my energy meridians were blocked, my true strength as a person did not show. They were laughing at me because they thought I was weak, when I was lost, constricted, and in pain. If I had just gotten out of it, I could easily show my superior spiritual levels. There's a lot more to the story, if anyone is interested. The basis is this, that I struggled, suffered, gained, lost, knew it would be a pity to not salvage, and then even lost at my attempts at salvaging. It is a very sad life. Basically, I got nothing to look forward to, and I see the Reality every damn day, it is complete emptiness. I lost everything, all my efforts, all the time, all the joy that could have been. My higher self doesn't like to waste time, and this was from 2005 onwards, 20 years of wasted time. This is a fking bs story, if this is the best God can do, I am not impressed, this is not the resume of a supreme being. So much more hurt to speak of, tell me if anyone is still interested in hearing. They said "no weapon shall prosper". The problem is this, I was lost, and could not help myself anymore, I tried my best to salvage, but was stopped by various forces, I was deceived by the devil who planned my destruction, and I was all alone, without a guide or guru, which I gravely needed. How now? When everything is lost and gone??

You have no idea of the truth, it is a tremendous bliss, there is humility in how blessed I am, and clarity comes before Kundalini.

Ok sorry for my suspicion and welcome to this forum. Your story is very unusual and interesting. Do you think about getting back to Kundalini awakening through meditation to experience the bliss once again? Do you want to become a spiritual teacher again? Have you reflected why your scholars left you, what was the real reason?

No, I am a real person, and you have no idea of the spiritual level I once had. I was very high on life, with what can be called, supreme bliss. I can share more if you want. Also, that's a picture of me at 5 I think, how can you think I am a bot. You can't see how real my story is?? He said I met him, because I asked God to meet a man of God, so God answered.

Ok then it's an AI, which creates automatically a new user in this form and pastes the stuff from Reddit. See this AI is not programmed to answer in this thread on my question if it's an AI. And who knows if this reddit post is not also AI generated. This story is confusing and unrealistic. Finding a guru next door, who teaches you for free and you awake your Kundalini because of some ohm meditation and your life is perfect and pure bliss. Yeah. I know how Kundalini awakening looks like. It's not like that at all.

As I explained before, he has to charge for it, firstly to pay for the facilities, the food, the travel to get to the venue and such expenses, second, know one today will give any value to attend his events if it is for free, that is the way it is today unfortunately.. As I said, all 3 events I attend, the fees for all of them combined where below $2000, which is crazy to think about when other self help or gurus charge over $5000 just for a one day event... Also, he doesn't "Make" ppl do anything, he just offers a method for the person to use so they have their Free Will/Ability to Respond back in their control, and from there they can do what they want to do with it, if they want to have Suffering Experiences go for it he says, if Bliss is what You want to that is fine to, that is up to the individual, not for him to decide..

In all my years of involvement and study of Sadhguru never has he said that his goal is too have ppl with silent minds or turning it off, in fact he has said the opposite of this.. What he says is not to identify with the Mind, not to believe it is You that is the Mind or the Thoughts or the Thinking patterns, and that creating a Space btwn what is You, and what is the Mind or Body is the basic practice. I'd like to ask anyone here, if Your goal was to bring Bliss as a natural Experience to everyone in this world, how would You go about it?? Sadhguru did not start to go public until after the early 2000's I believe, before that it was just word of mouth, today Billions are touched by the Isha Foundation, and why not, we need organizations like this to fix how fucked up this world is...

Then what’s next I mean you don’t know what death will bring but I’ll tell you maybe it’s bliss NDEs seem to be pretty nice 😊

Consciousness is a Process. The Process of Processes. The Movement of Movements. Sat Chit Ananda—Being, Consciousness, Eternal Bliss. That order is not random in any way, shape or form. You could also call it: Sat — TRUTH Chit — CONSCIOUSNESS Ananda — LOVE Immovable Truth meets Unstoppable Force, which turns out to be CONSCIOUSNESS, like rivers meeting a mountain. It turns TRUTH INTO LOVE! It is Divine Alchemy. THAT is what that Process is.

They do know a thing or two about direct consciousness, and that's where they're coming from. This isn't to say psychedelics can't be beneficial, but that's the point: beneficial at what? Point to anything they do, and it's going to be relative. Nothing can produce direct consciousness because it's not a process. Changing brain activity is still just changing brain activity. There's no causal relationship between what happens in your experience and this direct business. Enlightenment isn't an event that happens or is experienced. I've had breakthrough 5‑MeO experiences that I'd categorize as "bliss." Even though they're moving - and as impossible as it is for the mind to accurately assess what may have occurred - in the end it's only a state, another experience. People can easily gum up their preconceptions with what happens in the trip, and this seems incredibly common, almost inevitable to a point. It would also be incredibly easy and tempting for me to delude myself into thinking I had an awakening or actually grasped something for real. You get swayed by the experience. I'd talk about bliss, Love Awakening, God, my spiritual journey, Oneness, freedom - this and that - and most of you guys would eat it up indiscriminately, not knowing the difference between phenomena and direct apprehension. But I don't do that, because it isn't true. I once had a "no-self" insight (I don't even like saying that) while walking the dog. Who's up for that religion? Dog-walking your way towards enlightenment. It's a bit like believing you can get dressed by using clothing design software. No matter the design or sophistication of the software, these are entirely separate domains. It's the dream‑stimulant analogy again: wherever you look and whatever you do isn't it, and there's no way to get from here to there. This impossibility has to be deeply experienced. At the same time, it is possible to grasp it now - for everyone.

Ignorance is bliss.

You don’t exist I don’t exist it’s just pure awareness as infinite oneness bliss love divinity.

I'm from Croatia, 99% Catholic population and went to private Christian high school, my family kicked me out and cut my college funding when I was 19 for being gay, but that website literally saved my life and my grit and resilience and post traumatic growth. Personally that web site is my "Bible" I refresh it every couple of days for new content. They are 100% legit but you do have to have scientific mind (there my engineering diploma comes handy) to decern what is true for yourself, and what you want to believe in, and lots of NDEers get stuck in green stage "pure Bliss and happiness on other side" , when there is evidence on the website that there are very dark dimensions on the other side. BUT I never tried any psychadelics in my life, and this forum is foundation for that so take everything I say with grain of salt, I'm stage coral, I'm very happy where I am right now in my life, and looking forward for my first psychadelic experience......plus i have great mentors....

These experiences are quite old, there were explanations too. But I feel the experience is primary thing here, instead of how the person coming out of it tries to explain it through religious or other language. However, at it's core the person comes out of it as "content" with life. They call this "contentment" peace or some use more profound expressions like bliss or happiness. But ultimately it doesn't matter what they remember or how they describe it. I mean description is after the fact and will always be an approximation, and would be limited to the persons ability with language and life. what matters is the experience itself and how such an experience impacts the person. So when they invoke religious language and similar stuff, it's just their attempt to describe what they experienced. I feel what happens basically is that the person gets a rather intimate experience of "death", A lot of agony that people go through in life is because of how they relate psychologically with death and suffering, one gets conditioned to this suffering, somehow and lives life in a kind of "hiding" from death, it's a hiding of the psyche or self. While people with these profound experience go through realize that there is nothing to fear or hide from, Once you are open emotionally to whatever feeling or sensation you are feeling life could be very different.

@Someone here Unconditional love white light bliss is better than being a shitty limited rot of a human fuck humanity I hate being on Earth when I could instead be god mode and create whole new worlds, universes and realities to explore

Wow it’s so cool that you share this Ive had exactly the same thoughts. I’ve had partial dissolutions of the ego , “awakenings” (maybe partial) and some of them I’ve felt some bliss and love. But when I took 5 Meo dmt (in PARTICULAR when I took it, I took small dose and it was the closest I’ve been to full ego dissolution) and my normal state nowadays , is more empty and “dead”. I have thought to myself when I’ve been in the most extreme states “this is almost like death “ that’s the best way to describe it: it’s like everything looses its fullness, it’s reality, things become flat and empty. I have wondered, where is the fullness, the love, the joy? It seems to be associated with the self: when you feel you are real, and others and the world feel real, that’s where the joy is. When the self almost or completely ends, that’s where death is. That’s the end of “your life”. You approach death, a nothingness: that has nothing in it for you . But nonetheless, I try to stay open, maybe I just experienced the partial thing, maybe there’s facets to it. There’s hope still. Don’t lose hope. Don’t judge all awakening based on your own.

We don't claim the mountains to be ours, we don't claim the ocean, the clouds, the rain the volcano to be ours. We don't claim the neighbor's dog to be ours, we don't claim that other person's body to be ours, we don't claim......and I can list to infinity, but why not, we claim passing happiness to be ours, passing suffering and impersonal joy and pain to be ours. We practice neti neti and self inquiry that says we are not the body/mind/thoughts but all of a sudden we want to own happiness, suffering, sadness, joy, bliss, even competence, confidence and every other impersonal adjective and emotion that's just minding it's business and being itself. It's my happiness, my suffering, my anger, my depression, my joy, my love, my hate, my this and my that but that's your dog.

Awakening isn’t about bliss, it’s about no longer being enslaved by thoughts/emotions. Fear is normal. It comes and goes. Sometimes there’s peace, sometimes there’s emptiness, sometimes it’s just life being life. And in the end, it feels ordinary.

Think of it like this, do you still hang unto that drunk state you were in whenever it was. That high from smoking weed. Plenty of people have had experiences from altered states using drugs or alcohol. One can feel soooooo good on even some pills, they feel ecstasy and joy and bliss, then back down to reality it is. Why do you think these drugs are so popular. They make one feel good. They alter your state. Some can feel love, even feel God as they say....Oh God, whatever...all states, all experiences then it's back to 'normal'. Doesn't mean you're high forever, doesn't mean you have changed and turned into an enlightened being doesn't mean Jack shit other than you've felt like you've had an experience of......whatever that is. Keep going? There is no next, there is no when, if, there, why because, after, in between.....none of that really exists. There is just timelessness energy appearing as, that's it. It can appear as a person thinking they're enlightened - all empty and void of substance. We have seemingly turned the Absolute into a shit show of limitation and stale cum. We have limited infinity and turned it into a climatic opera rehearsal where we can look forward to an exciting finish and go tell it on the mountains to our other delusional buddies waiting to feel that enlightened bliss from some altered state then telling the stale story to our other fools that think infinity is there as a theatre movement for them to witness and become something from. There is no here and now, now and then, here and there, no next, no because of and no other interjection, abbreviation adjective or whatever in this here immediacy of Absolute wholeness and nothingness fill with emptiness and bizarre oneness of splendor freedom and liberated cockroaches. Nothing can turn this into a theatre of shit show enlightenment, only this itself can be that. Energy can play around all it wants and be all it wants but it can never be what's next, it can never be what's to come, it can never be "keep goin", IT CAN ONLY BE WHAT IS AND WHAT IS IS ALL THERE IS. So even it's keep going with your awakening bullshit and i will be enlightened fantasy is still what is and can be nothing but what is so that awakening means Jack shit to what is because it is also what is "acting like" it's awakening to itself. Such drama it loves to create. Then it leaves that energy high and dry then having it's buddies cheer him on and say keep going like this is even moving. It ain't, its not standing still either. So your future enlightenment is a shit show enlightenment prank by the absolute as the absolute acting like it needs to be enlightened because it ain't got nothing else to do but fuck around and play around for infinity.

There is no "solipsistic awakening". It's the ego reacting (in this case with fear) to non-dual awakening, projecting (in this case clutching onto) its preconceived notions like other minds and bodies, and because of resistance, what would be bliss turns into terror and despair. Non-dual awakenings are inherently blissful, but you can also have energetic discharges and processes (kundalini) which are supremely blissful. But there too, if there is resistance, bliss turns to agony and terror.

The solipsistic awakening or realization is just one of many awakenings you can have maybe you just haven't had awakenings yet filled with the bliss. You should have what I call kundalini of "Being" awakenings which will fill your body with a kind of ineffable Divine Bliss that will fill your "body" and you will be drowning in God's Love. You'll be rolling around the floor in ecstasy. So you just haven't had a full enlightenment yet. You should realize God/Infinity/Consciousness/Oneness in this way but it will be a complete ego death. So the backlash will still he tough afterwards because in a full enlightenment your consciousness will be elevated to God's level and you might even reach a state of mystical God Consciousness. That was an amazing state and impossible to examine but it was like there were no other beings there but you yet it was incredibly blissful and peaceful. So just keep going.

In the vast three thousand worlds, all forms appearing, I offer as the supreme mudra of body; Please grant the siddhi of unchanging form. In the vast three thousand worlds, all sound and sources of sound, I offer as the supreme mudra of speech; Please grant the siddhi of unimpeded speech. In the vast three thousand worlds, all the mind’s discursive thought, I offer as the supreme mudra of mind; Please grant the siddhi of undeluded mind. In the vast three thousand worlds, all happiness and suffering, I offer as the mudra of auspiciousness. If happy, I gather and dedicate all happiness; May all the sky be pervaded by great bliss. If suffering, I will bear the suffering of all beings; May the ocean of samsara’s suffering dry up. If happy, I gather and dedicate all happiness; May all the sky be pervaded by great bliss. If suffering, I will bear the suffering of all beings; May the ocean of samsara’s suffering dry up.

I dont know. Have only a hypothesis. After physical death. There another disintegration, kinda like a purgatory from sensuality and personality. When the individual is cleaned out, heaven is next. Rest and bliss. A subjective place created by consciousness in the likes of the personal life on earth. All the loved ones are there in a sense created by personal consciousness and Pure spirit. When i read about this, my thoughts were "how can nature decieve us, the loved ones are alive on earth, how can consciousness and spirit substitute them?". In essence everyone is pure spiritual consciousness, all else is illusory. Basically there is no difference from the imaginary loved ones in heaven and the mortal beings on earth. What they are is pure spirit and that is reality. After the rest. Skandhas drag the individual back to reincarnation. They are made from the former disintegrated personality and create a new personality. The key here is to transfom the skandhas while alive on earth, then the individual will automatically be dis-illusioned from the phases of afterlife.

One time during a college lecture, I sat trying to focus on what the teacher was saying, and I noticed a kind of tension related to this, that I was trying really hard to hold my attention on every word, every word on the slide, every moment of the lecture. And when I noticed this tension, I chose to let it go, to let the tension dissolve. Then for a while, nothing much was different, only I felt a little lighter, more fluid. But then suddenly, it hit me. There is literally no time. Things are happening, but it's perfectly still, not moving, just being. It's a singularity morphing onto itself, but nothing moving it in time. And there is literally no me. All of me is plastered on the walls of the room. And this felt like ultimate groundlessness, like reality had disappeared beneath my feet. All that was left was a surging energy that was at the same time completely silent. I felt like my heart had sunk beneath my chest. I grasped my hands to my desk and clenched my leg muscles, trying not to die of terror. And then when the lecture ended, I exited the lecture with my friend, levitating, spending no effort in moving, and the singularity feeling was back as I was talking and making sounds, walking down the stairs, entering the bathroom stall, closing the door and telling myself to get it together. This was the result of more than 1000 hours of seated meditation practice, and more than 16000 hours of complete obsession to awaken. And it was then I decided to stop seeking, because enlightenment, at that stage, was too much for me. Being dead but alive, being in terror but in bliss, was the biggest Catch-22 situation I could have ever imagined. And I wanted out. Turns out that wasn't so easy, but that's another story. Anyways, I've been talking about "deconstruction" before and I felt that it didn't land for many people, maybe that it was too "mental" in its connotation, that it's something intellectual you do. But it's simpler than that. It's just about letting go of whatever thing or process that might be holding you back from experiencing reality as it is. It can be as subtle as a tension associated with focusing on what somebody is saying, or it can be as gross as the sensation of sitting in a room right now and that there is a house surrounding it and that there is a world outside the house and that there is a universe outside the world. Every tension, every feeling of solidity, every ground, every roof, every level, every notion of reality, must be let go of. - Jan Esmann While you can distinguish letting go from the concept of "technique", it can also be thought of as a technique, if you practice it. And practicing letting go in meditation can be quite explosive. It's not necessarily as light and non-confrontational as "ah I'll just let go and sit here and just be still". It can be a quite visceral and energetic process. It can cause all kinds of movements and releases, both physically in the body and emotionally. And using other techniques are in a sense tools for helping you getting to the place of letting go, where letting go gets you to the place you want to go. Because training your focus through focused meditation, or elevating your energy through psychedelics, matters, but they will do nothing if you do not let go. You can take psychedelics and flail around, trying your best to hold on without dissolving into nothingness, and you may be successful in doing so, if not for some intense suffering, but it will not lead you to an expanded state unless you let go. And that's what suffering is about. It's when you can't for the life of you let go. And you keep holding on despite what reality wants you to do, to just accept it. Anyways, even people who are big proponents of psychedelics and who also are big proponents of the non-dual perspective, emphasize the importance of letting go: - Martin Ball And of course, other non-dual proponents say the same thing: - Ramana Maharshi - Rupert Spira And letting go and seeing reality for what it is is synonymous with truth. Just like how Leo says truth is the highest value, letting go is the ultimate meditation, because letting go reveals what is true.