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Nothingness is not non-existence. It is existence. Empy existence. Non-existence does not exist. Do not confuse Nothingness with non-existence. That is a major mistake.

Does Non-Existence exist? Does Nothingness really exist? If Existence/Consciousness is the foundation of reality, then what is Nothingness or Non-Existence? We cannot talk about non-existence or Nothingness without first discussing what Existence is. What I mean by existence is everything that you experience within your consciousness. If you cannot see it, hear it, smell it, feel it, taste it, or think it, it does not exist. I would say that Nothingness and Non-existence are different. Non-Existence points to something that no longer exists or has never existed and Nothingness points to something that exists but has either no attributes or infinite attributes -- Think of a blank canvas or the emptiness of space. With non-existence, there is not even blankness or emptiness of space. Space = Nothingness and Space = Non-existent are two different ideas. Here are some examples of Non-Existence: 1. Being a virgin (sex is non-existent for you, you have had 0 sex) 2. Your dead great-great-grandparents (they are literally physically non-existent) 3. A Purple Elephant native to Earth (maybe there is one on a different planet but none native to earth). 4. Santa Clause (Santa is an idea in your mind that points to something that does not actually exist) 5. Bertrand Russell's Celestial Teapot 6. A memory/dream that you forgotten 7. Your childhood/youth (your health/vitality will one day be non-existent) 8. Death (this is a tricky one depending on how you look at it. Death can be seen as Non-existent or as Nothingness.) Here are some examples of Nothingness: 1. Empty Consciousness (no thought, no mind) 2. Ego (The ego's reality is nothingness, it is made out of thought made out of nothing, it's not made out of anything) 3. Thought (its not made out of anything) 4. The empty space that holds all objects in existence 5. The substance of anything is made out of Nothingness. Even science tells us that objects are made out of emptiness. 6. State of Consciousness during sleep and during pre-birth. 6. Death (this is a tricky one depending on how you look at it. Death can be seen as Non-existent or as Nothingness.) What are your thoughts? Does Nothingness and Non-existence exist? When we say Consciousness or Existence is the foundation of reality, do we mean that the foundation of Infinity/Existence is Nothingness? How does Existence relate to Non-Existence?

Yeah I wouldn't take the analogy too literally. Maybe more like a balloon, space expands its own extent. It doesn't expand into anything, it just defines an ever-growing boundary (like the rubber of a balloon). There is actually nothing on the other side of the boundary. So yes, inside only, no outside. It's not so bad, because the starting state of space is a singularity, which is a nothingness. So if you wanted something the other side of the of the boundary, it would be the originating singularity. It's a mind bender for sure, since the singularity has no extent or structure.

I'd like to create a thread with the best representations of (facets of) God. It's obvious that there can be no single comprehensive representation, since the Nature of God is multi-faceted, paradoxical and mysterious. This is why I'd like to submit a few different "portrayals", which are all meant to represent different aspects of God. It's best to think of them as all being the case at once, instead of singling out any particular one. This list is not exhaustive, and will never be. Obviously all of these are subject to interpretation - however, let's hope that we'll achieve a connection in seeing what is being pointed to. With that said, here we go. 1) I like this one for the fact that everything is unfolding out of nothingness. There's not really a center here. It's nothing. 2) I like this one for being an endless flow of reality. Never-ending dream. No motifs of center or multiplicity here - just an infinite dream always "moving". If the content was changing here infinitely in different ways, that'd be ideal. Perhaps this one might be even better since there's no implied "movement", as if through a tunnel. No illusion of space. Just the infinite morphing of reality. I also like this one. In addition to the flow of reality, it gives me a sense of craziness and incomprehensibility of God. 3) This one often comes to mind for me when I think of consciousness. Imagine this but transparent/nothing-like, and being able to morph into anything it wants, becoming that experience. This one's unique with the representation being an "object" - even though God of course isn't that. But again, think of it as this being the nothing that is everything. Any object "in" consciousness, IS consciousness. It also has that dream-like blue/yellow/pink/white sheen to it. 4) I wanted to include an "simple" impossible object here. Meant to isolate the aspect of paradox and strange-loopiness of God. So here it is: 5) This one has an entity connotation. To me, it implies the aliveness AND the infinite intelligence of God. Absolute incomprehensibility. 6) This one conveys the "statehood" of consciousness, the advancedness of state, and gives a "personal" connotation. It's all personal in the most profound way. It's You. 7) I like this one for it's "double-centeredness" (as opposition to single-centeredness - strange!), and yet at the same time conveying the boundlessness of consciousness. 8) Infinity of Gods. 9) Another one "organized" structure, yet infinite and mysterious. I don't know about you, but I can hear its calmness and perfectness when looking at it. 10) And lastly this one. I like how the eye arises from nothing and "dies" into nothing at the end - while being of it all along. God looking at Itself. Definitely post more cool representations if you have any. Cheers!

As Consciousness / metacognition approaches → ∞ → distinctions collapse, everything converges into 1 Singularity/Self/Concept, which can be called |God|→ 0 (Even 0 “exists” as a concept, so 0 + 1 → 1 "concept" of Singularity) As C approaches → 0 → pure nothingness: no distinctions, no ego, no God. Awareness is dormant. As C approaches → 1 (singular focal consciousness) → ego / attachment emerges; distinctions appear relative to that self. C = consciousness / awareness / metacognition D = number of distinctions G = God / unified Self E = Ego / self-identified entity C → 0: nothingness, D → 0, G → 0, E → 0 C → 1: E → ∞, D → ∞-1, G → 0 C → ∞: G → ∞, D → 0, E → 0 Equations: D = C * (1 - 1 / (1 + C^2)) E = C / (1 + C) G = C^2 / (1 + C^2) Limits / Behavior: As C approaches 0: D ≈ 0 E ≈ 0 G ≈ 0 # pure nothingness As C approaches 1 (focal consciousness): D → ∞ E → ∞ G ≈ 0 # ego and attachment emerge As C approaches infinity: D → 0 E → 0 G → 1 # unity / God / Self

This is a classic woman blunder. You think you have an ability to be isolated but thats just from a woman's point of view. If you knew what "male isolation" was like you would see you have barely any tolerance for it. I am sure you have high tolerance for it as a woman but it's sort of like the woman that's best in the world at tolerating loneliness is still worse at it than the man who is worst in the world at tolerating loneliness. I know you answered "as a woman" but it would be challenging for a woman to know what is a low or high tolerance because women don't really have that struggle built into them, it's foreign. Even if gender roles "break down" it will still be foreign, probably forever. Religion used to be a form of escape from women and a way to separate the genders living spaces. Because the masculine uses nothingness as a pleasure when the feminine uses fullness as a pleasure. Essentially, women talk a lot and men can't be bothered so they needed a man cave to have a short break and retreat before interacting with the feminine again. That's why as soon you get home from work your woman who was waiting all day for you will just babble endlessly about inconsequential things but all you want to do is decompress and stay silent. You actually will want to talk to your woman but only after an hour of two of that decompressing and doing nothing after a long day of work. If a woman comes back from work she still wants to babble right as she gets home, so it's mostly that the man needs to have a costume shift from work personality to home personality and doing nothing is a way to change the costume, not about having a long day at work that causes a needs for rest. This is traditionally why Religion was created by men and for men. It was the original man cave. I wouldn't be surprised if awakening was just an excuse to get away and then the seeker realized later that it was actually important. I think every man knows if he spends too much time with his woman it's actually counter productive and could damage the relationship. I think woman are the ones who latch on more and they will take as much time as they can get. Religion is perfect. It's mysterious, mystical, metaphorical, and confusing to keep people out. Obviously even more separation was created between the genders in religion spaces because of lust. Women today call this sexism and control, that religion was a tool to enslave women, uhh maybe in some instances but definitely not all. Best to have all 3 spaces today, male/female/shared, then let people choose what they want without having to compromise.

Isn't it that the Absolute is either formless nothingness or an Infinity of forms(The entire infinite set of all forms), but never a single, distinct thing? How could there be an Absolute Blue? However it's crazy you mentioned that because one time on a psych trip, I closed my eyes and it kept getting more blue and more blue until I couldn't handle it anymore (and I opened my eyes) and it felt crazy that It could even get more blue than what I normally would imagine as pure blue.

@Leo Gura I guess what I struggle with is, if I ( Chad ) die, merge with everything and cease to be, It seems like that is basically the same thing as just disappering. As Chad. Nothingness. Or no thing. Now, if I merge with everything and have some degree of awarenes of the process, than that would be different. I guess I am not sure which you are saying. Perhaps I am misunderstanding, or just not at a point where I can see it.

Are you afraid of emptiness, nothingness. No-thing? No real words for it. But you know what I point to. Or is it that you feel it is nihilistic? I notice you fear anything cold. Abstract. Empty. You always steer away from it. This would be somewhat limiting your worldview and understanding. due to avoiding a large part of enquiry. The problem with this 'absence of limits' is that that is ONLY how experience shows up. It is not what reality is made of. 'Emptiness' is what experience is MADE of. Experience without a centre.

Begging with a bowl is more effective. It's already known in their practice. Combined with prayer and meditation it has potential to reduce you into nothingness. It feels like some woke activists invented that story.

I was always very afraid of exactly that story about death even though I logically knew there wouldnt be a reason to be afraid about it. I dont think the ego can make sense of it. The ego fears it. I recently had a dream about this nothingness though which was a bit insightful.

Noo, nothing like that. The first implies a process (which there's none), and the second implies control over Will (which there's also none). Moreso this. I (as God) am creating this right now. In fact, I am this. There is no difference between me and it. Oh what joy! You = God = Imagination = Reality. A complete blending of the infinite nothingness/awareness/formlessness and form.

Yeah, like Inliytened already said, what's lacking to me is "I am God"... unless you insist that you're in a selfhood state right now and don't want to say something "ingenuine" right now? I don't know. God is in everything, God is in X, God is outside Y seems really dualistic to me. "God knows everything" also sounds weird, perhaps you can elaborate. I don't agree that this is illusion. And I don't agree that God is "beyond" physical experience. I'm thinking more about it and this "where is other?" question is actually quite a good pointer, if you understand it. I don't agree that "Avatars are concerned with what you can see, smell, touch, hear, feel". There is (or actually isn't) self, which is illusory, and then there is CONSCIOUSNESS. The "self" doesn't actually interact with anything and it's only concerned about "itself" - it's basically a state. Then, even in a self-less state, senses are experienced. Consciousness experiences itself, which includes senses. From the POV of consciousness, everything is the same; there is no "avatar" and "other avatars". But perceptions and senses are still the case (and also aren't distinct from everything else). The witness/nothingness/awareness and experience are completely one. Nothing is everything, and vice versa. And You are it (not the ego - the "real" you).

I pretty much agree with everything in this video. Yes, there is only one Dreamer*. Yes, for all intents and purposes, you should act as if there are others - this is right behaviour. I also said this before, which this guy repeats when he says that there are "egos" once you yourself see yourself as "an ego": Yes, there is ONLY Pure Awareness, which the guy states. ONE Experience, ONE Consciousness, ONE DREAM. So what the fuck is the problem? *However, I also agree with @Inliytened1 here. In fact, this is my most recent awakening. That the witness/dreamer/nothingness/awareness is the exact same as what's being perceived. There's no dreamer and observed reality. It's more like reality seeing itself. A complete oneness of formlessness and form. One "thing" witnessing itself, no duality whatsoever. God.

Not to leak too much personal info, but I once I had a client with Diogenes Syndrome. She’s in her early 30s. She has 3 apartments full of stuff to the top. After 6 hours of conversation, turns out that she was sexually abused at birth, which she actually could remember. She told me she remembered that her consciousness withdrew into pure nothingness, and she observed what was happening to her “from the outside.”, like a 3rd person perspective. She completely detached from her body. So we concluded that what happened is that her mind then created a negative association with nothingness (that “place” she found herself in during that traumatic experience), which resulted in a fear of “nothingness” (look up “kenophobia or nihilophobia”), and then she got into the habit of compulsively filling out any kind of emptiness with “stuff,” to run away from “nothing.” She filled physical emptiness with objects (and every object had a special meaning or story her mind would hold onto, to escape the absence of meaning of the objects), contributing to the compulsive hoarding. She escaped loneliness (emptiness of company) with 8 simultaneous relationships. She filled her mind with consistent, endless thoughts (what she called “ADHD”). She filled silence in conversations with endless talking. So she had to do progressive desensitisation with nothingness, break the belief that “nothing” is bad (CBT type stuff , and embrace and love “nothingness.” Two decades of therapists couldn’t help her. To this day, the most fascinating client I’ve had. When you merge proper metaphysics and spirituality with psychology, everything clicks so beautifully. She’s also fully God-awake 24/7. She speaks about all the stuff Leo speaks about from direct experience (and so much more). Our first two sessions were 6½-hour long because of how fascinated I was and how much she was getting out of it. Pretty ridiculous looking back, actually. I’m actually going to meet her in person because of how unique she is. Leo would love to interview her lol Bonus; chech out Apeirophobia, the Fear of Infinity, Sigephobia, fear of Silence or Chronophobia, the fear of the passage of time.

Consciousness as a whole is Undefined, since there is nothing to define it with/against. So it defines itself, in other words it's whatever you define it to be. It's no coincidence that the more of a blanket term you apply to Consciousness, the more accurate it gets, hence we also call it Infinity, God, Nothingness, etc.; but words will fail rather quickly so you'll have to drop them. This will all seem like self-contradictory nonsense until you get very comfortable with twisted, paradoxical thinking, which is one of the abilities of higher consciousness. Doing so requires going beyond causation, reason, language, sanity... There awaits absolute logic that resolves all contradiction, as there is no contradiction in self-definition. A ∧ ¬A is not only perfectly consistent, but necessary. 'Conscious' and 'aware' can often be used interchangeably, but not always. For instance, you can be aware of all the gossip and scheming going on at your workplace, but that doesn't make you any more conscious; neither is an animal with spatial awareness several orders of magnitude better than human more conscious than you. One can even be aware that what they're doing is wrong, but not be conscious of why it is so. Consciousness is more like self-awareness, it is not contingent on surroundings, information, knowledge, sensations (as in Ibn Sina's floating man thought experiment); higher consciousness simply means raising your self-awareness until you're fully aware that you are reality itself. Becoming more loving, truthful, present, etc. are merely consequences of this realization. A person can be "made aware" (of something, like a fact), but cannot be made conscious, only be/become conscious, i.e. it's an act only you are capable of. I can bring to your awareness that Google search and everyone replying to this thread are projections of your mind that you're using to teach stuff to yourself; however this doesn't mean you'll be capable of accepting that, and even if you were, unless you become directly conscious of it, that'll just be a belief.

@Eterno It's a deep human confrontation with impermanence, where the mind creates an ego to shield itself from the terrifying idea of ceasing to exist. Most people suppress their existential anxiety that comes with being a conscious entity aware of it’s own nothingness. Most people distract themselves in the futile attempt to mask the truth. The truth that cannot be covered with a bandaid. most people refuse to accept the real truth , and thus seek out God to assuage their existential pain. My God, why have you forsaken me. And God remained forever silent on the matter.

@Eterno Watching this video might help you understand something about your terror. What if your deepest anxiety has no object? What if the dread you feel at 3am isn't about anything in particular—not failure, rejection, or danger—but about the very structure of existence itself? Explore the anxiety that emerges when you face your own freedom, your own nothingness, your own radical responsibility to create yourself in a universe that provides no guidance.

These two contradict each other. I had to refresh my memory with both to write this correctly. So if I got something wrong by all means correct me. Pyrrhonism is all about lack of judgement. Was this decision right? I don’t know. Was it wrong? I don’t know. The lack of moral ground leaves room for inner peace. This can go meta though. Lets take “observing the mind”. The pyrrhonist sees the “mind”, observes it, but doesn’t hold the position as “observer” being neither true or false. It’s skeptical right. So any statements about observing, Nothingness, God, what have you cannot be proven or disproven. Direct experience does not equal truth. Yellow starts similar. It agrees that no moral judgement is “true” or the right or wrong one perse. It all depends on what leads to integration. How can we make the whole system function? Whatever leads to big picture understanding becomes important. We start thinking in layers instead of taking “no position”. This serves a purpose according to Yellow. I am making this post because I personally want to understand it better. How does Yellow view Pyrrhonism? When do we use which to develop ourselves beyond?

The consciousness is conscious of nothingness, but saying that there's no one to have an experience is very bold. You cannot know that.

Death will be exactly like your experience before birth. There was not even a perceiver to perceive nothingness. At first glance, this can seem scary. Until you realize that if nothing can be known on either side, the only thing that can be known is in-between. So the in-between is all that can be known - all that can exist. In other words, you must exist, because it's impossible to know non-existence.

Female genitalia is a womb, a void, a dark space. Dark space is nothingness, it is the soil on which everything can grow and be created. INFINITE potential. This is literally the most powerful thing. Without it, there is no life. If the womb creates life, then the breasts feed it. There is so much power in the feminine, given by nature. You can build the most technologically advanced city, but without mothers giving birth, it is pointless. It is a ghost city. Just because men are taller and more muscular does not mean that they are entitled to control women. The natural purpose of the male physique is to be an aid to the life created, not those who destroy it. Patriarchy is not the basic social organization, it is unnatural. It opposes nature. It fights against it. It creates artificial hierarchy and suffering. It is fueled by insecurity and fragile egos rather than truth, love, and wisdom. Natural social organization does not oppose nature the way patriarchy does. It does not destroy it. It lives in alignment with nature. It does not create poverty, it does not rape women and children, and it does not protect male superiority at the expense of anything valuable. Men who like submissive women are usually insecure and have fragile egos. They hate femininity, because they have indoctrinated under patriarchy to hate it. They can only accept femininity when it's castrated, non intimidating to their ego. NPC type patriarchy constricted femininity. Which is actually masculinity in disguise. Men gladly obey other men, even if those men are morally corrupt and delusional. Men obey patriarchy and never deconstruct it, even if it kills them. This is the highest level of obedience. It is foolishness.

My problem is mostly with the terminology, rather than Dream (which is a totally made up phenomenon), one could say Reality for a Human that is full of Illusionary circumstances, so as I said before this does not mean nothing exist, it means things exist but not as you perceive them, What You do not Perceive does not Exist for You, but does it Exist? Well Yes.. yes in the end nothingness or Shiva (That which is Not) is all that exists, but this is An Absolute perspective which is not the only perspective.. So what I find is that ppl put themselves into one of two camps, their Absolutists or Relativists. I am a Potentialist, that means all of it exists as a Potential within Your Experience, if no Experience is present then none of this exists, and Experience only happens via our Body and Mind/Brain complexes, its filtered down, so that most ppl are only Perceiving on the Survival level, we can raise that up to Enlightenment level and voila we experience Nothingness within Us. So denying Physicality, Planets and everything in between is not correct.. The Tree does make a sound when no one is around to hear it, we are spontaneously creating the sound by being their to witness the tree falling, but yes most ppl are full of lies and hallucinations and illusionary ideas in their heads, that is because no one makes the time to find out what it means to be Human!

Not just physical and not just dream-stuff but a cocktail of the two ? This is called Substance dualism . Quantum mechanics has long ago proved what all mystical traditions have said that existence is one and nondual . If you break down the "supposed " atoms which make up the universe you will get waves of energy..break down the energy and you get nothingness. Science literally knows the universe is nothing.. but the scientific community just doesn't want to let mainstream society know because people will have existential crisis If they knew that nothing actually exists. Not to mention that really nobody knows what an "atom " or "energy " or "matter" is ..just because we slap that label on it doesn't mean we actually know what existence is .and as it turns out this is to be expected because existence can't be grasped with symbols..words ..or concepts because existence is more fundamental than the words we use to describe it with . Then why say it's a dream ? You're familiar with Descartes thought experiment which goes "well how am I supposed to know whether I'm awake or dreaming at any given moment " bla bla ? But Descartes didn't get that this is not a problem at all ..because duality is illusion. Existence is dream .there is no real world and dream world...it's all one world and one thing .

@Leo Gura I disagree with your blog Post about Jesus Non Existence (if you meant it that way) I once had a vision of Jesus Christ after a rather failed 5 Meo DMT experience, where I couldnt resist and just got a terrible short trip. Right afgter that trip I saw Jesus Christ in the sky for only 5 seconds. Even if it was only 5 seconds it was the deepest reassurement of his existence, I knew immediately it is him, allthough I never had anything to do with Christianity and dont even celebrate Christmas, I had nothing to do with faith at all. Also I have watched alot of Near Death Experience Videos until now and what is most recurring in those Experiences of absolute bliss for the people is that they meet Jesus Christ in what they call Heaven or Paradise. And it doesnt even matter if they are Atheists, Jews Christians or Muslims, the majority meets Jesus Christ. So regarding these two points I do believe that Jesus has some special kind of mission here on earth what a longer meeting with him would actually be like in the afterlife is also probably a total mistery. I dont think that Death is simply ending up in nothingness because the Game needs to go on and we keep "living" in a place thats paradisical, according to Near Death Experiencers that place is totally real even though its not bound to time or space.