Alexop

Yes, men would do that all day if they could.

of course.

@PenguinPablo they now have a choice, back in time there was immense social stigma to not get married as a woman. Now the poor quality of men is getting revealed. Now you really need to offer something more than sperm and money. Now they ask for emotional development, non-violence, stability, humour, cleanliness, style, class.

yes, this a big one

I think you are talking about a small minority of traumatized women. A healthy woman does not get attracted to a narcissist. To the counter, she is maybe too cautious by choosing a boring, nice guy that she dislikes, just to be sure he does not brake her heart.

@enchanted these arguments can be detrimental to many people. If you crave a relationship you should pursue it. I get that sex is brainless but a high quality relationship can be life changing. If you pursue spirituality and ignore your needs, that can lead to a broken human being, not a saint. Many spiritual people are full of shit so I doubt that pursuing spirituality full on can help you much. That is for very few gifted individuals. That is why communities paid money to monasteries so those gifted ones were doing that full time. just so when they are done with it to come to the plebs and enlighten them with knowledge.

Of course not every dude is shit, it is a generalization. It is a patern where you mainly meet uninspiring man-children or toxic macho guys. The bully at your highschool is getting girls because he has good social skills and connections. makes him be perceived as high value. And he mainly gets immature girls maybe. And partly because such machos have a vibe that women search for, that they don't find in the nice guy whimps. They basically want the masculinity and charm of a macho but without the manipulative and abusive behavior and immaturity.

You anti-feminist redpillers who think feminism has brainwashed women to not get into realtionships with whomever, you have to understand that ther world has changed. It has changed in a good way, even if it seems bad from your perspective. Men are not getting away with the shit they used to get away 70 years ago. Now women have the power to speak, and call out the abuse. Not just that they now hear horrific stories about male abusers all over, but now they can choose. They can choose to stay single until they find a good man. That is the natural selection at work. Check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fJzWYF2yR8 This is an extreme case, but many milder cases of "casual" beatings and abuse I know personally in my freind group alone. Men were shit and still most of them are shit, and that might be a reason for women staying single. Besides social media, choice anxiety, indivdualism, lack of third places, and all that you already know about.

Yes! We need good men instead of those morons.

@Elliott man, as I said. They are women and see the world from the female perspective. They did a good job with women. I love Green women, a few of them exaggerate with their woke shit but generally they are okay. They overstretch themselves into too much political shit, that would be the problem. But I mostly blame men for mens problems. This redpill movement that strictly blame feminism for all their problems is a cheap skapegoat. We need men to create some sort of menism that will fix men. Give me some boys and a few years with them and I will make them men. I know how to build men because I went through the process. If there is someone who knows how to build men, it is a man who went through the process himself.

More or less yes. It would be ok to just be "pussies", I mean to be like healthy women. Feminine but emotionally developed and nice, fun. No, they often become disgusting, immature, lazy, boring as fuck, and even aggressive. Because immaturity spirals into aggression. Those soy-dads who look like they would not hurt a fly become aggressive when pushed to their limits due to constant complaints (very often legit) from their women. By the way this was true even before all this feminism wave. We had such disgusting men even 200 years ago. My argument is that feminism does not help this, it only fixes women. We need some sort of menism that will fix men. I think we lost the art of building men when we developed sedentary civilizations. With the raise of Stage Red and patriarchal structures, men started to drift away from their inner wisdom and balance.

There are women who like to work in a traditional masculine position. Doesn't matter what they work, they just need to understand how biology works. Their epistemology and ontology in regards to human development, history, biology is shit.

They treat them the same as they treat women, because they see the feminine perspective as better. By treating them like women they cannot develop, because they don't really develop like women. They basically treat everyone the same, in a feminine way, because masculinity is evil. that is the ideology. Men need much more rigor, structure , challenge, accountability, peer pressure, brotherhood, purpose. Purpose because they will need to endure suffering, they won't do that if they don't have a good cause. They tear down the old system without replacing it with a new, better one. I think this was said before on this tread if I remember right. I get that the old system is dysfunctional, but if you don't understand how this works, better stay away. They are basically playing with fire thinking it is not a big deal. Like a cocky diy-er that kills himself by trying to fix his electrical system in the house. The problem is that is this case we are talking about, they are hurting everyone.

Depends on the context.. generally men like to lead, take initiative, protect, endure hardships for their family. Women like to dance in their feminine side, nurture, send love to the world. But women can't do that if they dont feel safe and their needs are not met. When they don't thrive and nobody helps them, then they need to help themselves by living from their masculine energy. a thing that they don't really want to do long term. These women who say they didn't need mens help are eating shit. They always will get help from men, through the welfare state, police, army. And they don't understand themselves and their needs, they just torture themselves by behaving like men in order to prove to the world that they can do whan men do. Lolz What is a sour lady? What is a Karen? It is a woman that was not loved and taken care of. A woman that had to fend for herself and live from her masculine. That filled her with frustrations and venom.

It is not what they tell them to do it is what they don't tell them. They don't explain to them what a man and a woman means in our society, because they themselves don't know. Womanhood is a behaviour, it is a vibe, it is not about makeup and dressing and pink colour. That is bullshit. It is the behaviour that we have to understand. What are the evolutionary implications that shaped our biology. they don't create a system that preapres men to be men, they don't believe in the thing that you have to BECOME a man. you are not born a man, and you won't become a man just by growing a beard or whatever shit. They deconstruct all the social constructions without building back consciously. It is like me tearing down my house then freezing in the cold. Maybe these concepts that functioned more or less for such a long time have a base of truth in them. But yeah, that is the leftist paradigm, tear down everything old. Men evolve differently, men need to be forged like a sword otherwise they collapse. and this is what we see now in society. Men collapsing because economical and societal progress has taken away the natural pressure that men had to endure. If we understood how our biology works we would have built a system that replaces the natural "men forger". We would have created a system that challenges their lack of accountability, laziness, immaturity. We would have created a system of values that give them meaning and a purpose to sacrifice for. Instead of curing society from the toxic masculinity created by Stage Red and Orange, we just reject masculinity completely. We just study and believe what "feels" right. After studying this topic and the nutrition topic, I feel like the scientific community is a joke. It is so corrupt and full of shit that I'd rather do my own experiments and studies. We have gender dysphoria cliniques in Sweden, just wonder how the fuck can they help people choose the right gender without understanding masculinity and femininity. Clown show.