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  1. #26
    Importance of looks in attracting women
    No one cares about your muscles but your own ego. No girl is gonna fuck you because of your muscles unless you look like a pro bodybuilder. You would get more sex if you invested your time at the gym into talking to girls.
    Grooming, dress, and hygiene you should certainly optimize. But that's so basic I don't even consider it "looks".

  2. #26
    Importance of looks in attracting women
    You should realize this: it takes about 5 mins to reach hook point with a girl. She will not even see your muscles unless you are wearing some douchy armless fishnet shirt. And once hook point is reached, she will sleep with you regardless of how little muscle you have.

  3. #25
    Importance of looks in attracting women
    Most interactions were under 5 mins. Some were much longer. Sometimes I would plow an interaction for 60 minutes. But of course these are rarer compared to rest.
    It definitely becomes a lot easier, although still not effortless. It always takes some effort/work.
    You can reach hook point very fast if you are talking to her with sexual intent and flirting. If you're just being social and boring, then it will take longer.
    As long as you're being flirty, 5 mins is mostly all you need regardless of club or day. It does not take a girl long to decide whether she would sleep with you. She doesn't need 3 hours to figure that out. She'll know within about 5 mins if you are active about it. You need to make her feel your sexual intent without being explicit about it. Force her to explicitly reject you.
    Certainly you gotta learn how to lead and how to close after hook point. But that's pretty easy, especially outside the club.
    It doesn't matter how you look if you reach hook point she has already accepted your looks and will sleep with you as long as you don't creep her out with weird behavior.
    It's a bit helpful, but not worth the effort in my opinion. If you want to work out for yourself, that's great. But don't do it for the girls.

  4. #24
    Eliminating approach anxiety
    Just approach regardless of how you feel. Sometimes you will chicken out. That's game. You don't need perfection to get results.

  5. #23
    1 Girl per day
    Not a good plan. It's far too inefficient.
    Better to spend 3 hours on the weekend to approach 10 girls in a row.
    Learning these skills requires building momentum. Your first approach is going to bomb most of the time, especially as a noob. You can't learn effectively that way. It's like saying, "I'm going to lift one weight, once per day, for 2 years."

  6. #22
    1 Girl per day
    That's your whole problem.
    You need to break that limiting belief to pieces.
    You will never be good with girls so long as you subscribe to such silly beliefs. You need to not give a fuck how others perceive you, without becoming a devil.

  7. #21
    1 Girl per day
    That's cause you are putting out shitty energy and/or not talking to enough women.
    If you are approaching 1 girl per day you will never feel abundance and you will be forced to settle with the bottom of the barrel.
    The whole point of pickup is that it teaches you how to put out better energy. It's not only about numbers. You become much more charming. But for that to happen you gotta be serious about it and hit the streets hard.
    When you go out you should aim to approach 5-10 girls at least per day/night. And you should go out at least 3 nights a week.

  8. #20
    1 Girl per day
    You will still need game. Foreign girls will not come sit on your lap. You will still need to grow the balls to approach them.
    Bottom line, if you gonna be a man, grow some balls.

  9. #19
    1 Girl per day
    Even that is not so easy to find in most places during the day.
    You are going to waste more time looking for the girl than talking to her. It is much more efficient to just to the mall for 3 hours on the weekend and do all your approaches back to back. You will also build up a nice momentum that way.
    You have to be pretty skilled to just cold-open a random girl you see walking past you as you're going about your day. Most guys will never muster the balls to seize that opportunity. They will just talk themselves out of it. It takes a lot of approaching to get confident enough to the point where you can seize such a spontaneous occurrence. It will take you 30 minutes just to psych yourself up do it unless you are experienced.
    It's much easier to talk about approaching than actually doing it.

  10. #19
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    No, he speaks about it from the POV of what the guy needs to do from his side.
    It is not a guy's job to be a woman's psychotherapist and heal her wounds. This would in fact be counter-productive since you ladies always complain about being accepted for not being perfect.
    A man does not need to be guided into some deep feminine terrain, he just needs to be a man and bring out the feminine in her.

  11. #18
    How to initiate kissing?
    You have to make your dates a lot less serious. Lots of physical touching and playfulness long before any kiss. Then the kiss is easy and natural. As you are walking with her, you stop her, square up to her, get your body close to her, look in her eyes. If she holds eye contact with you, then she's ready for a kiss. You can brush her face slow with your finger, and then kiss her. And never leave the kiss for the end of the date. The kiss should be at the mid-point of the date.
    Do not kiss on check. Kiss her mouth. Make the first kiss short and without tongue to leave her wanting more. Break it off prematurely after 2 seconds, grab her hand, and continue walking as if nothing happened.
    If you treat kissing like a big deal it will feel awkward. You should treat it like nothing significant, totally natural, and always guaranteed and warranted. The rule in your mind should be: mid-point of the first date girl always owes me a kiss.
    Fake it till you make it.

  12. #18
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    @ginger28 Nothing will get a girl to dump you faster than lack of leadership, indecisiveness, and insecurity, which forces her to be the leader.
    Tisk, tisk.
    You gotta get your shit together and take charge of the situation. You lead she follows.

  13. #17
    How to initiate kissing?
    No. Take her like you own her. But also seduce her with teasing and withholding. Make her crave you.

  14. #17
    Does dating multiple women hurt your chances?
    Dude, you gotta stop asking women what they want. What men and women want is not the same thing.
    The reality is that when you are pursuing women, 95% of them will flake on you and leave you dry. So from the man's POV, rather than putting up with all that bullshit, you pursue multiple women until one of them hooks hard.
    The general rule is this: don't sit around waiting for women. Do your thing until one of them falls for you and wants to go exclusive.
    In practice, unless you're doing hardcore weekly pickup, you will rarely be going on actual dates with multiple women. You wish you had that problem. That requires working the clubs harder than a rented mule.
    The general rule for guys should be this: Until there is sex, there is no exclusivity or loyalty. After sex, we can talk about it.
    If you make the mistake of being loyal to a women before she even has sex with you, you'll be in for a world of hurt. This is way too needy and attachy on your part. You are WAY too invested. The crucial mistake is thinking of her as your girlfriend before she even slept with you. Don't make that mistake.
    Don't expect any woman to okay this in some logical conversation. She won't because she has her own biased agenda at work, as do you. It is meant to be an implicit thing.
    Should you be scheduling dates behind her back once she's slept with you? I would suggest not. Once she hooks hard, you can cancel any dates you had on your schedule (should you be so lucky). She does not need to know about your schedule. If she wants to go exclusive with you, she better make that clear through her behaviors by investing a lot in your. The general principle is that you don't want to over-invest in her. Your investment in her needs to slightly less than her investment in you. If your investment in her is higher than her investment in you, you're doing it wrong. You're being too needy.

  15. #16
    Does dating multiple women hurt your chances?
    Don't underestimate how selfish and careless more girls are. She isn't some saint. She's blindly following her own survival agenda. She will not give two fucks about flaking on you.
    Yeah, well, it goes both ways. Hurt feelings come with the territory of dating. Most girls don't give a fuck if they step all over your survival agenda.
    My personal rule is that there is no relationship until sex.
    But you may feel otherwise. I set my rules based on my deep experience of what works and what does not.
    Of course you can try doing it the other way and get some results, but it's not a good overall dating strategy.
    Remember, that is HER frame. You can choose to play by her frame or set your own frame. Will setting your own frame lose you some girls? Sure, but it will get you many more others. As a general rule, the guy should be setting the frame, not the girl. At least from the guy's POV that makes the most sense. If you like being a pussy you can buy into her frame.
    Ahahahahaha!
    That's none of her business.
    If she is asking this kind of question you already did something wrong.
    From the moment she meets you she should realize that you are a high value guy who is highly social and desirable to many girls. She should feel that if she does not snap you up soon you will move on to other girls. She should feel like you could bang a new girl every night if you wanted to.
    First cum, first served
    Good!
    No, she won't get hurt. She will desire you even more because she recognizes how attractive and high-value you are.
    Attraction is highly counter-intuitive. You think that by being meek and humble and loyal and nice that this will make girls attracted to you, but it's the opposite. With that strategy you will lose many girls and mostly attract the weakest and lowest-value ones.
    A girl's fantasy is to lock down a player/knight in shining armor who is a pussy magnet. Not some meek nice guy who will beg her for sex like a panhandler begs for nickles. Regardless of whatever bullshit story she tells you, she wants a high-value guy. Period. No amount of talking or excuses will change that. And the #1 clue of a high-value guy is that he can get laid any day he wants to.
    One of the most attractive things you can do is to show up to a party with a bunch of hot girls at your side, orbiting around you like groupies. This will make you appear WAY more attractive to all the other girls, creating a feeding frenzy for your dick.
    Deep down she wants to know that you could fuck any girl in the world, but you choose to only fuck her because she is so special to you. That is her ultimate fantasy.
    If the particular girl you want is insecure, you can dial all this down a bit. But there is no shame at all for her to perceive you as sexually active. As a man, you don't need to hide the fact that you're a bit of a player. Don't explicitly say so. It should just be a vibe you give off. Girls will smell it.
    Consider Brad Pitt. Every girl knows he can fuck whoever he wants whenever he wants -- and probably does so. And this is why every girl dreams of landing him.
    If you want the most brutal truth, dating multiple women not only doesn't hurt your chances, it increases it, and the more women you date the higher your chances get. This is so true that it can get easily abused to sociopathic levels. PUAs abuse this principle all the time. I don't recommend you do that. I recommend you find a nice balance that does not crush girls hearts nor inflate your ego. You can be strong and assertive without being a total scumbag.

  16. #15
    Does dating multiple women hurt your chances?
    This is a more general paradox of non-attachment: those who are most needy get the least, while those who are not-needy get the most.
    For example, people who need money the most end up having the least of it. Because desperation is not a good place to earn money from. Likewise, neediness for sex or relationship is not a good place to get quality sex or relationships from.
    In general, when you are in a negotiation the one with the least attachment has the advantage. And sexual relationships are certainly a negotiation.
    You can be strong and independent but still interested in relationship and communion. It does not have to only be for her body.
    Pretty much. Females are always attracted to high-value males regardless of culture.
    You're conflating things. These kind of celebrities actually tend to be very assertive with their agenda. MJ manipulated people into sex way more than any PUA.
    Because attracting women requires a certain realism and pragmatism. You don't get laid on fairy tales. Women will ruthlessly cull you out. Women are ruthless about this stuff despite their stories and excuses. As a man you gotta we wise to their games otherwise you will end up jerking yourself off to sleep in tears.
    The collective experience of the entire attraction community. I started out as the biggest nice guy and I went through much pain to learn not to treat women like princesses. A big part of becoming a strong and high-value man is learning how to set your own frames and not letting any girl sway you with her games.
    Sorry, I don't buy it.
    You are trying to logic your way about attraction and that is not how attraction actually works. Your logic flies out the window in real-life attraction scenarios.
    Because otherwise she won't respect the man. For a woman to be attracted to a man she needs to feel that the man is higher value than her.
    I did not give rigid rules. I gave general principles of attraction from the male POV. This is what men need to understand to properly get laid. If they don't understand these things, they will end up suffering.
    There are principles to attraction. I didn't invent them. Attraction works how it works.
    Don't forget, dating and mating is a bit of a bloodsport. It is not all rainbows and butterflies. It is survival first and foremost. There are painful lessons for the ego to learn in this game.

  17. #14
    Does dating multiple women hurt your chances?
    Of course they should.
    But still they gotta keep their balls about them.
    It's a tricky balance. Takes lots of trail and error and experience to get it right.

  18. #13
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    Women not only don't care what men want, they get offended and call men gross and shallow and sexist for wanting it.
    So please spare us.
    Imagine if men on this forum started a thread about the ideal pair of tits they want and how women should be more understanding and accommodating on this matter. It would be called outrageous and sexist. Even though there is no fundamental difference between wanting a big pair of tits vs wanting a man who offers you "feminine containment".
    Women routinely misrepresent what they are attracted to in men. This confuses many men. Hence I say some of the things I say to men, to clear up that confusion in their minds. The situation is asymmetrical because men do not misrepresemt what they are truly attracted to in women. It would be like telling everyone how vegan you are, but when you get to the restaurant you always choose the pork ribs rather than the salad. It's important for the chef to know that what you really eat is the ribs vs the salad so he can plan accordingly, regardless of what you tell yourself in your head.
    Women's attraction is less honest and more convoluted. A man's attraction is more direct and straight forward.
    So false equivalence indeed!

  19. #13
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    We are all deeply self-biased, men and women. But we must play games and deny it otherwise we appear too selfish and dishonest to ourselves, which undermines survival.
    The function of survival is to be selfish while denying that you are doing so, portraying yourself as an innocent angel.
    Notice how you do this all the time throughout your life, not just about sex. Governments and corporations behave this way too.

  20. #12
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    Yes, because these biases are baked into the male and female survival agenda.
    To a man, the attraction is most relevant. To a woman, the relationship is more relevant. And each side will stress what is most relevant to them out of their selfish needs while discounting the importance of the other.
    Self-bias 101.

  21. #12
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    Lol. What are you smoking?
    Women worry all the time about the guy leaving her for a hotter, younger girl.
    As a man you gotta suck ass for a woman to leave you once she's in love with you. It's effortless to keep women. It's much harder to keep men. A woman's reproductive value is dropping every year. A man's value increases every year if he's doing personal development work.
    In this respect, relationships are much either for men than women. The hardest part for the man is the attraction phase -- which is why men focus on it almost exclusively.
    Indeed

  22. #11
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    Of course you can and should still do that.
    Containment is offered by being a strong man.
    And nothing I say is anti- healthy relationships. One leads into the other. Once she falls in love with you, THEN you can offer her all the perks of a highly conscious and empathetic man. But not before.
    Be like chocolate candy: hard exterior, a soft interior. She gets to taste the soft interior if she's willing to open her legs for you. In the end, this is what she really wants as well, so it will be a win-win. But just don't go discussing this strategy with her because she will never explicitly agree to it for game reasons. It must be implicit. Which is why you should not seek dating advice from women.

  23. #10
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    No there isn't. That is chief the self-deception and meta-self-bias at work here.
    What you are talking about is survival value. And it comes in infinite flavors. One flavor of survival value is big tits. Another flavor of survival value is masculine containment or marriage or intimacy.
    There is no reason whatsoever that intimacy is more important than big tits. If you think there is, that's because it's more important TO YOU.
    To say that big tits are just as functional as little tits is to not see the situation holistically. What we are attracted to need not have any functional value per se. A giant peacock's tail is not functional. Also, little tits are not as functional when it comes to sticking your dick between them. So there are many facets to "functional" which you are reducing. Your definition of "functional" is already corrupted by your self-biases. If you were a man, you wound find big tits very functional. Just ask any man.

  24. #9
    What makes a woman want a man really bad?
    One time I was just confident 150% at the club -- I was just on fire -- I talked to this one girl and just plowed her with confidence for like 15 minutes straight, making obnoxious jokes and just laughing. She just stood and soaked it in for 15 mins, not saying much. After those 15 minutes were done, she followed me around like a lapdog. Totally owned. She would follow me into hell. Unfortunately I was not attracted to her. I was so on fire that I forget to check if I was actually attracted to her. That's the power (and danger) of not giving a fuck.
    But it was an eye-opening lesson in the power of raw confidence and detachment. It works like magic.

  25. #8
    Teal swan - what a woman needs from a man in a relationship
    He can't tell you that because you will get disguised and leave.
    You can't handle hearing what a man is really attracted to, you want him to be attracted to what serves you. Hence men have to hide and play games. Because unless he plays games, you will reject him.
    If a man walked up to a woman and honestly said, "Hey, I find you sexy. Let's fuck." He would never ever get laid. But that is honestly how most guys feel. But we also know you ladies would never accept it, hence we play games. You want the man to be attracted to your nonphysical attributes, but that is not what a man needs most from a woman and it is not what he is most attracted to. And no amount of logic will change that.
    So again, the issue is one of self-bias. If you find men's sexual attraction gross, that's not the man's problem or fault. That's your self-bias and it is part of your game. It is like finding it gross that peacocks are attracted to big tails. That is not the peacock's problem. That is your problem. There is nothing inherently gross about it. The peacock likes what it likes and your desire for the peacock to like something else, something that you want him to like, is selfish and absurd.
    Imagine if you scolded a peacock at the zoo and told it to stop liking big tails because it's too shallow and empty, and instead to like personality and deep intimacy. The peacock would look at you stupid, and carry on with chasing big tails, as it has for a million years.