UFOs Are Here

[Basman]

59 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

How can they be less conscious than us? That makes no sense.

If they are using tech that is not originally theirs maybe. An orangutan can learn to drive.

 

[integral]

16 minutes ago, Basman said:

If they are using tech that is not originally theirs maybe. An orangutan can learn to drive.

 

Humans will invent all that tech, technological advancement means abit but not everything

Elon cant wait to clone himself and invade other galaxies.

We will not be more conscious then we are now when we explore the galaxy.

We could say a selfish Species cant develop advanced technology because they kill themselves with it, its a possibility. But even a coordinated species doesn't mean they're more conscious than us.

Edited 13 hours ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Well known interview - repost if anyone missed it.

Recount of the beings found at Roswell

Edited 11 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joseph Maynor]

There are no UFOs here.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

This one contains interviews with alleged second hand witnesses to Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash sites in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.

Older recordings, but riveting. 

[LoneWonderer]

43 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This one contains interviews with alleged second hand witnesses to Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) crash sites in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.

Older recordings, but riveting. 

@Natasha Tori Maru Yes I saw both those OG roswell interviews maybe 3 & 1/2 years ago now. Great stuff. Sad about audio quality, but it is what it is.

Edited 10 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Joshe]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Read the Varginha alien report

That whole case rests on believing the reports of three young women, aged 14, 16, and 22, and on trusting that the UFO enthusiasts who investigated the case reported accurately and truthfully, despite 2 of the 3 key military witnesses admitting they fabricated their testimony, with one claiming to have been offered payment for it.

If you're aware of the evidence below, how do you still find this story credible? 

- A key military witness admitted fabricating his testimony (2026). A former Brazilian Army soldier who claimed to have transported a captured alien from Varginha to Campinas admitted in a Globo documentary that he invented the story after being offered R$5,000 by UFO researcher Vitório Pacaccini.

- A second military witness also repudiated his alien-capture testimony (2019). A firefighter whose recorded testimony was treated as crucial evidence of the creature's capture later said the account was fabricated and that he had been persuaded to record it. Of three prominent military capture/transport witnesses revisited by the 2026 documentary, two repudiated their stories; the third maintained his.

- The original investigator who helped popularize the case has reversed his position. Ubirajara Rodrigues, who investigated the original sighting and promoted the extraterrestrial explanation, now rejects it. He says there is no convincing evidence of anything extraordinary beyond the three women's testimony, and that the larger narrative grew through speculation and unfounded claims.

- Military records undermined the alleged alien-transport operation. The Brazilian Army's 1996–1997 investigations reviewed vehicle logs, personnel testimony, maintenance records and dealership invoices. They documented routine military truck movements and found no evidence of the alleged alien-recovery operation.

- The alleged alien sighting had a plausible human explanation identified during the original investigation. Investigators proposed that the three women had mistaken a local man nicknamed Mudinho, who was known to crouch near walls, for an unusual creature during heavy rain. The investigation included photographs and a reconstruction. The women reject this explanation, so the identification is not proven, but it provides an alternative to the extraterrestrial interpretation.

- The supposed death from extraterrestrial contamination had an identifiable medical cause. Military police officer Marco Eli Chereze allegedly died after physical contact with an alien. However, medical findings documented severe bacterial sepsis, and he had undergone a procedure for an underarm lesion shortly before becoming critically ill. No evidence establishes that he handled an extraterrestrial or contracted an alien pathogen.

Is there something I'm missing here, or this is just obviously bullshit? Maybe this is the first time you're hearing about these things? 

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[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Is there something I'm missing here, or this is just obviously bullshit? Maybe this is the first time you're hearing about these things? 

There is a doctor's testimonial, but I expect you to say that was fake too.

Look, I do not know if it was faked or not. Anything could in theory be faked. Maybe JFK is still alive somewhere.

The problem is that if you are a UFO skeptic you can call any data-point fake. But calling dozens of unrelated data-points fake starts to become more silly than aliens.

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[OBEler]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is a doctor's testimonial, but I expect you to say that was fake too.

Look, I do not know if it was faked or not. Anything could in theory be faked. Maybe JFK is still alive somewhere.

The problem is that if you are a UFO skeptic you can call any data-point fake.

Not so general. If you look at an ufo story and find many fabricated things going on and if you cut the slop to just 3 woman sawing a creature and maybe a doctors testimonial ( we dont know if he was paid too, but the chances are not low), then this whole story gets a bit questionable even for ufo believers.

[Basman]

On 29/10/2026 at 5:41 PM, Joshe said:

lol.

Damn, look at how fast that alien balloon travels.

 

Wait till you see the spacecraft that looks like Spiderman.

[Basman]

5 hours ago, integral said:

Humans will invent all that tech, technological advancement means abit but not everything

Elon cant wait to clone himself and invade other galaxies.

We will not be more conscious then we are now when we explore the galaxy.

We could say a selfish Species cant develop advanced technology because they kill themselves with it, its a possibility. But even a coordinated species doesn't mean they're more conscious than us.

How do you know? Our technology has never been more advanced and we are as conscious as we have ever been. That's just been the trend so far. 

If they have spacecraft they are probably more intelligent than us, even if the potential of their genome is similar to ours. They've just had more time or better conditions to develop their minds. 

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[Leo Gura]

28 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Not so general. If you look at an ufo story and find many fabricated things going on and if you cut the slop to just 3 woman sawing a creature and maybe a doctors testimonial ( we dont know if he was paid too, but the chances are not low), then this whole story gets a bit questionable even for ufo believers.

How do you know those witsnesses who said they faked it for money were not paid money to say they faked it?

Two can play your games 

That is why I keep saying that no individual data-point matters. Any data-point can be fake or wrong. You can also be wrong that they are fake. So don't get too cocky.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

The Ariel School Encounter - interview with an eyewitness to the infamous Ruwa Incident when 60 school children at a rural school in Zimbabwe saw what they believed to be a spacecraft and extraterrestrial beings in September 1994.

This one isn't well known. Will be new to many of you 

 

[LoneWonderer]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The Ariel School Encounter - interview with an eyewitness to the infamous Ruwa Incident when 60 school children at a rural school in Zimbabwe saw what they believed to be a spacecraft and extraterrestrial beings in September 1994.

This one isn't well known. Will be new to many of you 

 

Ok, I will listen to tonight

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LoneWonderer I hope you enjoy! I may have had a hand inspiring this interview.... 🧩

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Imagine having no context and seeing humans as a species atom bomb each other, rape, steal, assault & squabble. 

Fundamentally, out actions speak zero recognition of connection, unity or oneness.

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There is a doctor's testimonial, but I expect you to say that was fake too.

A UFO enthusiast known for claiming to surgically remove alien implants from people says he interviewed an anonymous doctor who performed surgery on an alien, and you just believe him. Don't be surprised when people take issue with this.  

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Look, I do not know if it was faked or not. Anything could in theory be faked. Maybe JFK is still alive somewhere.

If you don't know whether it's real, you can't treat it as credible and meaningful like you did in your blog post: https://www.actualized.org/insights/varginha-ufo-alien-communication

Either you have good reason to believe it and can explain why all the evidence I brought is irrelevant to the credibility of the case, or you openly admit you may have made a mistake. That is, if you're actually serious. Calling me an unconscious skeptic doesn't work. 

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem is that if you are a UFO skeptic you can call any data-point fake. But calling dozens of unrelated data-points fake starts to become more silly than aliens.

I'm not some blind skeptic. I'm actually a very objective person. I've spent the evening looking into the story and it's full of holes, contradictions, and mundane explanations. Too many to list here. Rather than deal with the truth of your belief in a story so easily debunked, you paint me as a blind skeptic. 

I presented you with evidence so damning, which you respond "in theory, anything could be faked". People are right that you don't apply the same rigor on this topic. And as a result, you're spreading delusion and falsehood. Even if aliens are here, this particular story is almost certainly bullshit and you've spread it as truth. 

[Jehovah increases]

You humans are too closed-minded. Do aliens exist? Yes, they do.

[LoneWonderer]

@Natasha Tori Maru I enjoyed the audio interview of the Aerial school student. He came off authentic and surprisingly grounded down to earth individual. 

In contrast to some of Jesse Michaels guests who're almost jumping out of their seats "Hey Jesse you won't believe buddy what I'm about to tell you bud, I was anal probed by an Alien last year you know?!"

Edited 2 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[oOo]

@Jehovah increases I agree.

Right now I am doing a deep investigation into Space Jam.

I can't believe they caught all of this on video.

I feel like maybe they even cause basketball injuries to great sports people, or reduce their physical ceiling during development. 

If Zion Williamson was only a few inches taller, he'd be Shaq 2.0. 

I'm just trying to point out the obvious here.