Solipsism proof : experience isn't divided nor limited

[Razard86]

Here is the irony of Oneness, if every human became Conscious of Oneness in its totality....if you tried to punch someone in the face you would feel the full brunt of the attack. So literally...you could not harm another without feeling the pain directly. Really think about that one.....when we say there is no other....you have no clue how deep it goes....LOL.

Its insane how deep it goes. You might say...how do I know other people even have thoughts....you imagine they do and you imagine they don't. If you want you could imagine that they have thoughts....and know all of their thoughts....but that would destroy the duality...it would prove beyond a doubt that you are just talking to yourself. 

So from this we can surmise....evil can't exist...only as a deception. 

[Razard86]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Razard86 actually I will say this ..solipsism does indeed feel right ..I mean where the fuck did I ever accessed other being's consciousness but me ...? It's obvious.  but..

There is a difference between what feels right and what feels good.  Masturbation feels good but it doesn't feel right lol .

 with solipsism..it feels right but doesn't feel good. And I fucking care more about happiness more than I care about truth . Because I'm fucking honest. 

I use my senses noT just my mind . You guys are lost in an infinite rabbit hole of mental ontological wishy-washy masturbation.  AND IT SEEMS HOPLESS 

 

 

 

I just love your honesty man. Speak your truth!! Speak the truth of what you know. I'll always be on the side of truth. Thanks for sharing man!!! If only the rest can get it. They think I want them to agree with me, no agree with yourself. All of your statements agree with the truth of your experience, which means you have Self Agreement. Which means you have Self-Clarity.

You know what you know, you know what you don't know, you even know why you don't want to know it!! What more could you want? You see? That's all I want for you all!! That is beautiful.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

22 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Here ya go. He's done it in other threads. Why do you think he does one liners? The forum tired him out. LOL.

He did explain how there can't be two infinities but maybe not so much how to realize said infinity sober

Edited November 15, 2023 by Loveeee

[Razard86]

29 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

He did explain how there can't be two infinities but maybe not so much how to realize said infinity sober

Hmmm well in essence he did with his God Realization Video. But what Leo didn't realize was how powerful that video is. If you allow it...that video will put you into a Solipsistic Reality. LOL. The cool thing is you will be free to jump in and out of it because you literally become free to jump out of any perspective at that point if you want. 

So you know how we say Reality needs to fool itself to have a life? Well think about this...if you are conscious of how you are fooling yourself...are you really fooled? So this is how Reality overcomes self-deception by raising its awareness of what it is doing so it can't be fooled. It's like waking up on the set of a movie and its running and you wake up and realize...wait a minute...everyone is acting? You can't be serious? Really? They are all pretending to be who they are? No way!!!!!

When they say its a play of Consciousness, they ain't joking!!! It's just God...is the greatest actor of all time. LOL. The best actors in Hollywood can't perform their role better than you and me play our characters LOL. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Hmmm well in essence he did with his God Realization Video. But what Leo didn't realize was how powerful that video is. If you allow it...that video will put you into a Solipsistic Reality. LOL. The cool thing is you will be free to jump in and out of it because you literally become free to jump out of any perspective at that point if you want. 

I mean the "undivided/unlimited" aspect 

[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I mean the "undivided/unlimited" aspect 

I'm sorry I'm confused....what do you mean?

[Osaid]

2 hours ago, Loveeee said:

If you stop believing in the existence of "other" and even the possibility of it, you're a solipsist

If other people don't exist, does that mean solipsism points to non-existence? If you are saying that solipsism is true because "x does not exist", what is that actually saying about the things that do exist? 

Bit of a tangent, but since you brought it up, not believing in something wouldn't necessarily make me a disbeliever. If someone stopped believing in God, that would not necessarily turn them into a disbeliever, they could also simply be agnostic.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Osaid

[An young being]

11 hours ago, ivankiss said:

But I think you guys like to use that as an excuse a bit too often, to justify your beliefs and keep living your fantasies.

No, we need to know the dangers or the precautions before stepping into it, no matter if it is sollipism or meditation or air.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

6 hours ago, Razard86 said:

When have you ever been outside your own POV. Give me one time.

@Razard86 have you ever abandoned your mind? If yes, what was the experience?

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, Someone here said:

Solipsism just doesn't feel right.  It doesn't resonate.

It's pure madness if it's true .and no sorry Im not interested in losing my mind .

All this blabbering is like a cat fighting with a dog . Just mental noise ..overthinking..and unfilled free time .✋

This is why you crave sex so much. You turn to sex to make it feel right, to make it resonate. It's pure madness. So now I need something to comfort me. To make me feel better about this aloneness. I'm all alone but I crave companionship so I use sex to fill the void. The void of being all alone. It hurts so bad, but I refuse to acknowledge this so I turn to pussy to make me feel better. But it never works because that pussy is also you. 

Someone else craves something else, addicted to something else, but it's all the same cause......running away from your loneliness, so we grab on to something, we get addicted, almost every human is addicted to something. Why is that. Think about it. Your story is sex so now you construct a doctor to tell you you have high levels of testosterone, so now you believe that's why you're a horny fuck. You invented that doctor. It's so fucking obvious.

 

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, An young being said:

No, we need to know the dangers or the precautions before stepping into it, no matter if it is sollipism or meditation or air.

What he doesn't know is there is no difference between fantasy and not fantasy. That's what he doesn't realize. He actually thinks there is a difference. That's the illusion. Even better...you can fight against this only so long, eventually your body dissolves and you awaken to everything being purely imaginary. Those of us who have done it while alive reap the blessings and the rest find out at the end.

[Loveeee]

5 hours ago, Osaid said:

If other people don't exist, does that mean solipsism points to non-existence? If you are saying that solipsism is true because "x does not exist", what is that actually saying about the things that do exist? 

Solipsism points to the infinity of This/Here/Now

By infinity I mean non-finity, I mean undivided/unlimited

5 hours ago, Osaid said:

Bit of a tangent, but since you brought it up, not believing in something wouldn't necessarily make me a disbeliever. If someone stopped believing in God, that would not necessarily turn them into a disbeliever, they could also simply be agnostic.

If you let go of all belief, you stop believing in God and even the possibility of it, you're not agnostic

Does that mean you believe it's impossible ? No, you simply don't believe anything

But like I said in practice that won't happen until you prove it to yourself, so what do you think of the proof in my original post ?

If you don't like it simply realize this dream is immaterial, no-thing, non-finite, infinite. There can't be two of these, right ?

Edited November 15, 2023 by Loveeee

[Loveeee]

6 hours ago, Razard86 said:

I'm sorry I'm confused....what do you mean?

I mean what I said in my original post 

[Vibroverse]

Accept your fears and worries, don't resist your pain and turn back to inner stillness more and more. And it is not even turning back to inner stillness, but just allowing yourself to stop being dumb more and more, and the inner stillness will embrace you like a white hole. 

And stop feeling like "you" are a self, and like even the only self, ah, what a pain it is to feel like you are the one who is responsible for everything. You then blame and judge yourself about everything. You try to find the right way of being all the time. 

And you try to find the right action, and feelin worried about this and that, and you get lost in your mind trying to find the right model, the right philosophy, instead of simply accepting that you are not the doer and you are not the thinker. 

 

[Razard86]

45 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I mean what I said in my original post 

You are being even more vague. Can you actually explain?

[Loveeee]

4 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You are being even more vague. Can you actually explain?

I do not remember Leo explaining what I did in the way that I did in my original post 

[Osaid]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

Solipsism points to the infinity of This/Here/Now

Solipsism is a philosophy which defines "you/reality/this/now" by pointing to a relative concept of "other" or "other minds."

If "other" is truly deemed as non-existent, it is completely redundant to define your experience using that non-existent entity. Defining yourself using something that doesn't exist is just a tautology. It doesn't say anything about your experience, or what actually exists. You cannot experience non-existence, and you can't use non-existence to define existence. You can't define experience by saying "this thing does not exist" because non-existence is not a phenomenon which can actually truly occur or be experienced. You can imagine and then unimagine non-existent things for eternity and it will get you no closer to realizing what your experience is.

Solipsism looks like a mental inference to me. If I look at the color red, that is just the color red. It is not "not blue", or "blue doesn't exist." The latter is mental inference. If someone has never perceived blue, or has never perceived an "other", that inference cannot exist, because your imagination and knowledge is simply based on your memory. You can experience memories and knowledge of "other people", but aside from that your experience says nothing of their existence. And I mean actual nothing. Not non-existence.

You can't truly realize that something doesn't exist, in the same way that you can't truly believe that something exists. For example, when you believe Santa Claus exists, they are not actually coming into existence, it is just that your experience is recontextualizing itself around a belief about Santa Claus. It is belief which exists, not Santa Claus. In a similar light, when you realize the unicorn you're imagining is imaginary, that doesn't mean the unicorn doesn't exist, it means the unicorn is imaginary. I am being anal about how I use the word "exist" because we are talking very existentially here.

Humans give too much significance to their imagination. You cannot create or realize non-existence by thinking about things or realizing that something is imaginary. This is anthropomorphizing. Reality is not unimagining or creating non-existence behind the scenes, that is a process of creation which you create philosophies out of, like solipsism.

Like any other "awakening", solipsism is incomplete, and it is partial. It truly does not point to anything. It is a realization based in an idea which points to something relative, which can't be the truth. Solipsism is defined by pointing to relative parameters, like "you", "other", "me", "people", "humans", but fails to say anything about the nature of what is absolute. You can hypothetically skip the entire "awakening" if you were simply born in a universe where you were the only creature that existed, or if you woke up tomorrow and every creature on earth was gone.

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

so what do you think of the proof in my original post ?

I didn't see it as any kind of proof, which is why I inquired.

My experience is certainly not limited, and it is not experienced as anything which is divided. I think that the very statement "this does not exist" is a limit, and so it is false. I don't see how your proof coincides with solipsism, which says "your experience is the only thing, therefore other minds do not exist." The limit of "other minds" must be a mental inference since reality is unlimited, but in that case, it now fails to describe experience because it cannot be "yours" or "the only thing" if the way you are reaching that conclusion is through a mental inference. It's kind of like saying, "your experience is the only thing, therefore unicorns don't exist." Ok, but what does that actually tell me about experience? We are back at square one. It seems like it is actually saying something, but if you look at it really carefully, it points to something which cannot be experienced, AKA non-existence.

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

if you don't like it simply realize this dream is immaterial, no-thing, non-finite, infinite. There can't be two of these, right ?

Right, not two.

I have realized that reality is physical, in the sense that no physical laws have really changed, but that it is also simultaneuously infinite and without boundaries. Most materialists are just living in an imagined version of physicality which includes many divisions, and that is simply because they still believe in an imagined self. Duality has nothing to do with physicality, that is a materialist misconception for the most part. But that is now moving to the topic of enlightenment.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Osaid

[Loveeee]

32 minutes ago, Osaid said:

My experience is certainly not limited, and it is not experienced as anything which is divided.

What room is there for anything else then ? None

32 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Right, not two.

So there you have it, solipsism, omniscience, or whatever you want to call it

There can't be multiple bubbles of consciousness, because they would limit each other

Edited November 15, 2023 by Loveeee

[Osaid]

20 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You can't have multiple bubbles of consciousness, because they would limit each other

There aren't any bubbles at all. 

It's not that there is nothing outside of experience, but rather, there isn't an "outside" or "inside" at all. Consciousness is not an object or container or bubble, it is infinite. All finite limits are a function of human imagination. At this point all I can really keep saying is that it is infinite, but that doesn't do much to explain what that means unless it is directly realized. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Osaid

[Loveeee]

30 minutes ago, Osaid said:

There aren't any bubbles at all. 

It's not that there is nothing outside of experience, but rather, there isn't an "outside" or "inside" at all. Consciousness is not an object or container or bubble, it is infinite. All finite limits are a function of human imagination. At this point all I can really keep saying is that it is infinite, but that doesn't do much to explain what that means unless it is directly realized. 

And yet you do believe there is or at least might be stuff outside your experience, don't you