Solipsism proof : experience isn't divided nor limited

[Loveeee]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I wonder why the topic of Solipsism gets so much attention and lengthy discussions. 

Because it's hard to accept or even get 

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's what i'm referring to, just this alone should make you wonder. If I told you I was a chicken and made a video about it, you would probably think it funny, laugh and move on. But no, I tell you you're all that is and there's nothing but you and everybody goes berserk. Why. If it's so absurd laugh and move on. We all want to talk about it because there's a mystery there. A curiosity factor. Hmmm, I wonder...We are all it, whatever that it is, the same it, so all these feelings doesn't just come outta nowhere. Solipsism didn't just come outta someone's ass. That's too wild to imagine out of nowhere. All these things should make you wonder.

It's pure ego, need to label everything. The ego is labels, it is constantly creating a mental world, and in it others are real. If they tell you that others are not real, you have to reconfigure that mental world and adapt it to that vision, change your perspective. Before he thought that everything in his mind comes from others, now he thinks it comes from him. It is indifferent, what there is, there is. the same as saying that reality is a dream. It's the same, it's just a label.

Labels are the mental capsule that keeps us separated from reality, this capsule is fed by the constant mental flow, this flow is not just words, it is subliminal beliefs, the mental grip that we cling to to live in our bubble of ideas called ego. You have to burst that bubble, look reality in the face without a filter. Everything you think or believe is a filter, it is not enough to forcefully stop thinking with meditation, you must stop believing in anything. this is the key

[Loveeee]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's pure ego, need to label everything. The ego is labels, it is constantly creating a mental world, and in it others are real. If they tell you that others are not real, you have to reconfigure that mental world and adapt it to that vision, change your perspective. Before he thought that everything in his mind comes from others, now he thinks it comes from him. It is indifferent, what there is, there is. the same as saying that reality is a dream. It's the same, it's just a label.

Labels are the mental capsule that keeps us separated from reality, this capsule is fed by the constant mental flow, this flow is not just words, it is subliminal beliefs, the mental grip that we cling to to live in our bubble of ideas called ego. You have to burst that bubble, look reality in the face without a filter. Everything you think or believe is a filter, it is not enough to forcefully stop thinking with meditation, you must stop believing in anything. this is the key

Pointing at the moon but you concentrate on the finger

 

[Razard86]

In some ways a blind man is closer to the truth than one born with eyes. A blind has never met an other. He has heard sounds, he has felt things, but he has never observed any boundaries visually. He needs to be guided because he lives in a world with no boundaries that constantly talks to him. So the blind man paradoxically sees more clearly. Funny thing how this works huh?

A blind man is more authentic because he cannot see, a man with eyes is less authentic because he is bound by what he sees. LOL.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

In some ways a blind man is closer to the truth than one born with eyes. A blind has never met an other. He has heard sounds, he has felt things, but he has never observed any boundaries visually. He needs to be guided because he lives in a world with no boundaries that constantly talks to him. So the blind man paradoxically sees more clearly. Funny thing how this works huh?

How about that

People born blind see what you see through your elbow, not even darkness, since they never experienced the opposite. Similarly, as humans we're in the dark but some of us know it, because we have experienced the light 

In other words, while this feels like the maximum level of consciousness/clarity, it is not, but you won't know until you know ( looking at you meditators )

[Razard86]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

How about that

People born blind see what you see through your elbow, not even darkness, since they never experienced the opposite. Similarly, as humans we're in the dark but some of us know it, because we have experienced the light 

In other words, while this feels like the maximum level of consciousness/clarity, it is not, but you won't know until you know ( looking at you meditators )

Here is another counter-intuitive, Absolute Solipsism is a deeper experienced connection....than that. From one perspective one may think they lose other....but in truth you gain other in a way....where they cannot escape the union. LOL. Because if other is YOU....where can they go? Even if they lose their body (funeral) they cannot escape you because....you have discovered that they ARE your consciousness and you are theirs. So you can speak to them whether they have a body or not. 

Explain to me how this is some how a bad thing? It's bad only to the ego.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

Pointing at the moon but you concentrate on the finger

 

54 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

 

Just to see that the finger means nothing. Just remove it.

No one concept, no one belief, totally empty. If not, you close reality.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Cireeric]

For me the biggest issue with all this is : You need to make the assumption that everything there is can be proven from within your own POV. But can you verify this assumption from your pov?

[Loveeee]

21 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Here is another counter-intuitive, Absolute Solipsism is a deeper experienced connection....than that. From one perspective one may think they lose other....but in truth you gain other in a way....where they cannot escape the union. LOL. Because if other is YOU....where can they go? Even if they lose their body (funeral) they cannot escape you because....you have discovered that they ARE your consciousness and you are theirs. So you can speak to them whether they have a body or not. 

Explain to me how this is some how a bad thing? It's bad only to the ego.

Not only that, but you're God so you can dream whoever whenever, funeral means nothing 

And not only that, but being God you're in the presence of God, you're God and one with God, to be Alone is the precise opposite of loneliness 

[Razard86]

10 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

For me the biggest issue with all this is : You need to make the assumption that everything there is can be proven from within your own POV. But can you verify this assumption from your pov?

When have you ever been outside your own POV. Give me one time.

[Razard86]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Not only that, but you're God so you can dream whoever whenever, funeral means nothing 

And not only that, but being God you're in the presence of God, you're God and one with God, to be Alone is the precise opposite of loneliness 

You got it....how can existence be ALONE when its infinite? Unless you wanna call it an alone infinity. I guess that can work Infinity is alone because its everything.

[Loveeee]

16 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

For me the biggest issue with all this is : You need to make the assumption that everything there is can be proven from within your own POV. But can you verify this assumption from your pov?

That's my point about experience being experience

Isn't it true that your experience is undivided and unlimited ? I mean check for yourself 

If that's true of your experience, then .. it's true of your experience, and you are your experience 

You see what I mean ?

I'm curious to know if you do @Leo Gura

[Osaid]

How do you find proof that something doesn't exist? Does your experience, stripped of beliefs, truly say something about what doesn't exist? What is the "me" which exists in "your" experience, and then what is the "other" which is negated by the existence of "you"? 

[Razard86]

18 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

That's my point about experience being experience

Isn't it true that your experience is undivided and unlimited ? I mean check for yourself 

If that's true of your experience, then .. it's true of your experience, and you are your experience 

You see what I mean ?

I'm curious to know if you do @Leo Gura

Lol don't bring Leo into this he is tired of telling experience that it is experience...think about what I just said.....to deny that experience is absolute...is to deny experience is experience. So the experience named Leo is tired of telling experience...that it is experience. I want yall to understand what is going on by the way.

Yall ever notice in Hollywood how actors are afraid of being type casted? They feel like you are putting them in a box. The ones that are arguing against us....believe that by saying experience...is the only experience because experience is universal, absolute....and all knowing of what it is....is itself a box.

Let that one marinate!!!! The same thing that drives a Hollywood actor is the same thing that drives this objection. Interesting huh?

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Osaid said:

How do you find proof that something doesn't exist? 

As I did in my original post

1 hour ago, Osaid said:

Does your experience, stripped of beliefs, truly say something about what doesn't exist? 

If you stop believing in the existence of "other" and even the possibility of it, you're a solipsist

In practice you won't stop believing without proof

1 hour ago, Osaid said:

What is the "me" which exists in "your" experience, and then what is the "other" which is negated by the existence of "you"? 

Simply like in a dream  

Edited November 15, 2023 by Loveeee

[Someone here]

Solipsism just doesn't feel right.  It doesn't resonate.

It's pure madness if it's true .and no sorry Im not interested in losing my mind .

All this blabbering is like a cat fighting with a dog . Just mental noise ..overthinking..and unfilled free time .✋

[Razard86]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Solipsism just doesn't feel right.  It doesn't resonate.

It's pure madness if it's true .and no sorry Im not interested in losing my mind .

All this blabbering is like a cat fighting with a dog . Just mental noise ..overthinking..and unfilled free time .✋

Thank you!!! Finally!!! Yes everything you said is true!!! I love this honesty!!! Finally!!! There ya go man!!!

Solipsism just doesn't feel right. It doesn't resonate= An honest admission about how he feels from his point of view.

It's pure madness if it's true and no sorry I'm not interested in losing my mind. =No assertion of whether he knows its true or not but an honest admission of what it appears to be from his perspective and why he isn't interested in it.

All this blabbering is like a cat fighting with a dog. Just mental noise- overthinking and unfilled free time. =More honesty about how he feels from his perspective after honestly admitting he doesn't know for sure and he don't feel like finding out.

^^^^^THIS IS MATURITY!!!! I LOVE IT!!!

Edited November 15, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

@Razard86 I mean I never saw him demonstrate it like that 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Loveeee

[Razard86]

10 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Razard86 I mean I never saw him demonstrate it like that 

Here ya go. He's done it in other threads. Why do you think he does one liners? The forum tired him out. LOL.

[Someone here]

@Razard86 actually I will say this ..solipsism does indeed feel right ..I mean where the fuck did I ever accessed other being's consciousness but me ...? It's obvious.  but..

There is a difference between what feels right and what feels good.  Masturbation feels good but it doesn't feel right lol .

 with solipsism..it feels right but doesn't feel good. And I fucking care more about happiness more than I care about truth . Because I'm fucking honest. 

I use my senses noT just my mind . You guys are lost in an infinite rabbit hole of mental ontological wishy-washy masturbation.  AND IT SEEMS HOPLESS