Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, Nivsch said: In the other hand, the seperation between hamas and adult Gazans is a myth. Still we have to be careful and not to make generalizations but every survey and even tangible behaviours will show you that hamas ideology is quite well affects many of the civilians there. The majority of Gazans said they regretted voting Hamas after they won the election, they only voted to protest the PLO which was corrupt and not effectively negotiating for a state because Israel was blocking it. Israel’s government than purposefully supported and strengthened Hamas to divide the Palestinians. Prior to the war the majority of Gazans disapproved of Hamas, only after Israel started bombing do a slight majority approve. Way more approve in the West Bank but again that’s because Israel blocks any chance at freedom in a state for them and forces them to abide by the corrupt PLO. If you have a problem with Hamas, you have a problem with Israel’s policies, they are interconnected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: @Raze No. Israel wanted the women first and hamas refused. Yes But they wanted idf women and rejected Hamas’s counter offer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) @Raze Policy of not letting them air and marine ways is justified when a terror organization is in control. Bibi made hamas stronger on that I agree with you. Edited January 9 by Nivsch 🇮🇱🍷 Israel finished 5th at Eurovision and 2nd(!) in public vote with the song 'Hurricane' talks on oct7th. Eden's performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K60BWlEhtAA 🌻 Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Raze said: Hamas didn’t break it, Israel rejected Hamas’s offer for the hostage exchange to extend the ceasefire because Israel wanted them to release IDF soldiers. Israel is not interested in peace either, that’s the problem. They’ve been strangling Gaza for decades with the idea that they can just bomb them every time they attack, putting their own citizens at risk over negotiating. no one in the west can support Hamas, it’s illegal to send money to a group the US designates terrorists. Donating to aid to Palestinians isn’t helping Hamas, its trying to stop civilian deaths. Hamas offered to release all hostages if Israel released all Palestinians they have in prison, most without charges, Israel refused. The US can’t put any pressure on Hamas because they have nothing to bargain with. Hamas does not exist in a vacuum. If the world truly wanted to exert pressure on them, they could have. All you wrote are just excuses. Human rights organizations receive a significant amount of money and aid from the West, which ends up in Hamas' hands. Yes, Hamas broke the ceasefire by attacking Israeli soldiers in Gaza. They pretend they want a ceasefire to strengthen themselves and carry out surprising attacks on Israel. Let Love In Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 Just now, Nivsch said: @Raze Policy of not letting them air and maritime ways is justified when a terror organization is in control. Except declaring them a terror organization and refusing to agree to a political solution with them on that basis would just lead to them using violence since that is the only option, which is what happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Lila9 said: Hamas does not exist in a vacuum. If the world truly wanted to exert pressure on them, they could have. All you wrote are just excuses. Human rights organizations receive a significant amount of money and aid from the West, which ends up in Hamas' hands. Yes, Hamas broke the ceasefire by attacking Israeli soldiers in Gaza. They pretend they want a ceasefire to strengthen themselves and carry out surprising attacks on Israel. How can the world governments exert pressure on Hamas? They have no connection to Hamas. They can pressure Israel because they are funding them, but Hamas is blacklisted. There is no evidence the current aid is going to Hamas and Israel inspects it That was just Israel’s claim, both sides used violence during the ceasefire. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-troops-fire-at-palestinians-attempting-to-return-to-northern-gaza-during-cease-fire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Hamas does not exist in a vacuum. If the world truly wanted to exert pressure on them, they could have. All you wrote are just excuses. Human rights organizations receive a significant amount of money and aid from the West, which ends up in Hamas' hand Correct, so why do they exist and what are they resisting? The same human rights organisations that talk about what Israel is doing and claim it as an occupation and apartheid to which Israelis deny and call anti-Semitic. From today: The West have literally no idea how to defend Israel’s actions when probed properly like above. Snowden commenting on the situation now: Edited January 9 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 @Lila9 I’m not triggered even a little bit. Lmao. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Raze said: How can the world governments exert pressure on Hamas? They have no connection to Hamas. They can pressure Israel because they are funding them, but Hamas is blacklisted. There is no evidence the current aid is going to Hamas and Israel inspects it That was just Israel’s claim, both sides used violence during the ceasefire. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-troops-fire-at-palestinians-attempting-to-return-to-northern-gaza-during-cease-fire Putting diplomatic and economic pressure on the states that fund, aid, and justify Hamas, as well as exerting pressure on their leadership and all organizations covertly working with them. There is a lot of evidence that Hamas is using humanitarian aid for Gaza for their purposes. https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/the-hamas-terrorist-organization/hamas-exploitation-of-humanitarian-aid/ "the U.N. was unable to exercise strict control over how the money was allocated, and that it enabled Hamas to use tax revenue and other funds to build up its military arm" “All the funds that were supposed to go to the public, most of it went to their military capability" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099 Let Love In Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Lila9 said: I'm afraid to know what these innocent girls are going through in Hamas captivaty. Per the testemonies of the realeased hostages, Hamas terrorists are sexually abusing girls and young women. Such devilry, everything is justified to "free Palestine". Gross. Israeli bombs kill more civilians in Gaza per day than Hamas has captives in Palestine. Why you make such a big deal about them? 100 is way smaller number than 20.000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, zazen said: Correct, so why do they exist and what are they resisting? They would like to destroy Israel. 21 minutes ago, zazen said: The same human rights organisations that talk about what Israel is doing and claim it as an occupation and apartheid to which Israelis deny and call anti-Semitic. They are not objective as they claim to be, they have an agenda, a pro-Palestine and anti-Israel agenda. Let Love In Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, Lila9 said: They are not objective as they claim to be, they have an agenda, a pro-Palestine and anti-Israel agenda You are delusional if you think they have a pro Palestinian agenda. Why would they have an agenda for people that are poor, have no power, no support, no nothing? What do they gain from it? Think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Karmadhi said: Israeli bombs kill more civilians in Gaza per day than Hamas has captives in Palestine. Why you make such a big deal about them? 100 is way smaller number than 20.000. Hamas started this war, Israel doesn't bomb out of nowhere. Israel bombs with the intention to destroy Hamas. Hamas would like to kill all Israelis, or as many as they could, and they would have done that if they could. Israel doesn't have the intention to kill as many Palestinians as it could. If it had, it would have done that already, many years ago. Let Love In Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Hamas started this war, Israel doesn't bomb out of nowhere. Israel bombs with the intention to destroy Hamas. Hamas would like to kill all Israelis, or as many as they could, and they would have done that if they could. Israel doesn't have the intention to kill as many Palestinians as it could. If it had, it would have done that already, many years ago. Hamas did not start anything. It was ongoing conflict for decades. Israel killed historically dozens times more people than Hamas did. Just because Israel got attacked once brutally when it did brutally attack others dozens of times. It is basically like the Nazis crying for Dresden when they inflicted way more pain on others during the war. When you say "Hamas started this war", you are implying that things were peaceful there and they were not. Hamas has the collective trauma of Palestinians which makes them act like they do and think like they do. Israelis have little collective trauma inflicted by Palestinians. Dont take our your historical anger about Nazis raping and killing Jews on Palestinians. Edited January 9 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 19 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: You are delusional if you think they have a pro Palestinian agenda. Why would they have an agenda for people that are poor, have no power, no support, no nothing? What do they gain from it? Think. No, I'm not delusional, this is a valid criticism of these highly biased organizations. I wouldn't believe them blindly only because they call themselves human rights organizations. I clearly see that they have a pro-Palestinian agenda, not because they are providing aid for Palestinians, but because they are deliberately ignoring Hamas and other terrorist organizations in the West Bank and Gaza and their treatment towards Palestinians. They blame everything on Israel, closing their eyes to the fact that Palestinian children are living in an unsafe environment surrounded by Hamas weapons, educated for terror and hatred. They also close their eyes to the human rights violations caused by Hamas towards Palestinians, including executions of Palestinian women and LGBTQ people in Gaza and the West Bank. Why are you blind to that? Why don't you want to see the complete picture? Because it doesn't suit your highly biased and simplified narrative? Let Love In Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 @Merkabah Star 46 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: @Lila9 I’m not triggered even a little bit. Lmao. Those two are so unbelievably cringe, how are they so blind that their side is not only doing genocide, but are destroying so many buildings that Gazans will be homeless and will increase immigration to other countries? Jeez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Hamas did not start anything. It was ongoing conflict for decades. Israel killed historically dozens times more people than Hamas did. Just because Israel got attacked once brutally when it did brutally attack others dozens of times. It is basically like the Nazis crying for Dresden when they inflicted way more pain on others during the war. When you say "Hamas started this war", you are implying that things were peaceful there and they were not. Hamas has the collective trauma of Palestinians which makes them act like they do and think like they do. Israelis have little collective trauma inflicted by Palestinians. Dont take our your historical anger about Nazis raping and killing Jews on Palestinians. Hamas started this war, and Palestinians initiated this conflict. They had the choice not to attack and solve this peacefully, but they always chose terror, and Israel fought back. You don't know much about Israeli collective trauma to say that Israel has 'little' trauma, you are talking from ignorance. Let Love In Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 @Lila9 1 hour ago, Lila9 said: There was a ceasefire, it has been broken by Hamas. Hamas are not realible. Hamas are not interested in peace, it's so delulu and disconnected from reality to believe they care about peace. They can start from stoping support Hamas, donating money to them under the cover of "human rights organizations" and UNRA and put more pressure on Hamas leadership to release the hostages. So because of one small evil group, the IDF gets to carpet bomb buildings and infrastructure of Gaza, and displace Gaza population thus increase immigration issues? Sounds like genocide justification to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 9 @Lila9 4 minutes ago, Lila9 said: Hamas started this war, and Palestinians initiated this conflict. They had the choice not to attack and solve this peacefully, but they always chose terror, and Israel fought back. You don't know much about Israeli collective trauma to say that Israel has 'little' trauma, you are talking from ignorance. Yeah @Karmadhi. You know Jake about Israel collective trauma, so no comments about them genocidal tendencies Okay, ignoramus?! Clearly Israel isn't displacing Gaza, or mass killing women and children to get to a small bunch of terrorists or anything baka! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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