New War In Israel / Gaza

[Nivsch]

10 hours ago, Thought Art said:

He is a biased actor in the situation. So, when you read his responses simply realize his survival interests. 

Israel needs to believe it is good and right to kill tens or hundreds of thousands. In their mind this is a good thing. It’s bad for everyone else who has biases against killing and starving and wounding that many people. 

People tend prefer and base their views around what is good for them. Also assume the information he is surrounded by and the background he comes from. Then, do the same thing for yourself. You also have biases that shape your world view. 
 

hamas plans his whole strategy to make it impossible to harm him without harm civilians too.

This his survival strategy. This is his 24/7 job.

The number 1 survival strategy of every gerilla terror organization. To hide behind civilians and use them as a shield.

Imagine 20,000 hamas terrorists hide behind civilians and see how difficult this war is.

Edited March 4, 2024 by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

14 hours ago, Raze said:

So why weren’t any of these prior conflicts enough to serve that purpose and how do they know this current onslaught will?

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

They don't know, but anyway, they have to do, because if they don't they have lost the war without fight . 

That is to say, after the attac the balance tips towards what his enemies want: the disappearance of his nation. If the scale leans that way, someone will immediately add more stones to make it lean more, definitively. Everyone is watching, looking for signs of weakness. Therefore, the rulers of Israel see as the only alternative to make a show of force and total lack of scruples, absolute cruelty, to once again tip the balance towards their side. It's a shitty dynamic, but the alternative is to leave. His enemies will take any sign of mercy as weakness.

Israel needs to show strength and brutality to be respected of better, feared, they are in a extremely difficult situation, they can't show weakness. Think about the bombing of Hamburg by the British. They launched bombs with a extra weight that made them pierce the buildings and spread their load of phosphorus to burn their inhabitants alive. English engineers made that design to kill civilians, to force Hitler to surrender. There were children, elderly people, etc. in those buildings. That's war, the human dynamic more ugly, but very common. The thing is, if you don't dare with war, other people will do

Edited March 4, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

7 hours ago, Nivsch said:

hamas plans his whole strategy to make it impossible to harm him without harm civilians too.

This his survival strategy. This is his 24/7 job.

The number 1 survival strategy of every gerilla terror organization. To hide behind civilians and use them as a shield.

Imagine 20,000 hamas terrorists hide behind civilians and see how difficult this war is.

   It's annoying you keep personifying and anthropomorphizing HAMMAs as a person. It's a group mate, not a person.

   That's like me personifying the UK as a she-devil, that dominated 1/3 of the world, only country with anti slavery policies, and the one woman with the bald eagle who set up an Israel state to trap the nomads into one place next to several theocratic Muslim states knowing it'll lead to continuous friction between the more liberalist/democratic western Israel versus the several theocratic Islam societies. Don't attack me, ask Osho what his takes are.

Edited March 4, 2024 by Danioover9000

[lina]

51 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 Israel needs to show strength and brutality to be respected of better, feared, they are in a extremely difficult situation, they can't show weakness. 

Without having a moral legitimacy such strategies don't work long term. Israel has officially set itself up as an enemy for billions of people around the world. Remember that impermanence is the only truth and power dynamics sooner or later will change. 

Edited March 4, 2024 by lina

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, lina said:

Without having a moral legitimacy such strategies don't work long term. Israel has officially set itself up as an enemy for billions of people around the world. Remember that impermanence is the only truth and power dynamics sooner or later will change. 

Moral legitimacy is relative, you can debating about the right of Israel to occupy that land for years . The thing is that Israel fight for survival. Maybe at the end it will be destroyed, maybe no. And the end who wins is who is right 

Was mao Zedong good or bad? Or the french revolution, or anything else? Depending of the results 

Edited March 4, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[lina]

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6202/Israeli-tanks-have-deliberately-run-over-dozens-of-Palestinian-civilians-alive,-says-Euro-Med-Monitor 

Israeli tanks have deliberately run over dozens of Palestinian civilians alive

 

[ExplorerMystic]

@linaA normal human with compassion will stand against what Israel is doing in Palestine. In the future, there will be tons of documentaries made about how world leaders / Media were mere spectators when this was being done. The brutality is unimaginable. This was played sometime back in Iraq where more than 1 million people have lost their lives.

Many Jews openly oppose what their country is doing to Palestine but the media is so one-sided & that they have spread deep hatred/negativity to a level that the killing of humans who belong to a particular religion is being celebrated by some people across the globe now (The number of people joining them will increase in future). We saw this happening during the Hitler era when Germans were presented with propaganda through various channels that common Germans started seeing the Jewish community with immense hatred.

Now the same thing is happening all over the world. The solution that I can understand at my level of understanding is that Muslims have to first stand up against radical ideas within their community because most of them don't agree with that idea. Once this is being done they have to unite with people (across the religions; countries ; cultures etc) to stand against the bullies.

Edit : The above points trigger some people here as their view against Islam were rigid. For them start reading some Sufi's for example : Ahmed Hulusi ; Rumi . The list goes on.

In spirituality love & compassion are the most brutal understandings to be conquered after multiple insights because they go so deep where human understanding is shattered.

From the Foreign policy side. See the below video which gives insight into this game. It doesn't contain how deep this goes but just a glimpse into how the game is played at the top level. (FYI : The video was posted when war was just started)

Now coming back to spirituality when you go deeper and articulate it into words. The one force / God had created humans with ego which is a tool to survive and thrive but we have gone into a hellish realm of ego where we are just going on eating & eating then vomiting and again going back to eating. Not understanding that too much eating is the problem leading to vomiting. Another example would be at the beach a group of children were making sandcastles. Now when the time came to go home & parents were calling them out as it was going dark. The children were not ready to leave as their minds had imprinted the sandcastle as their home.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2024 by ExplorerMystic

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, lina said:

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6202/Israeli-tanks-have-deliberately-run-over-dozens-of-Palestinian-civilians-alive,-says-Euro-Med-Monitor 

Israeli tanks have deliberately run over dozens of Palestinian civilians alive

The Israelis here stopped responding to this kind of things because they are tired from those toxic lies 🥱

They have been crashed from the food trucks and the soldiers in the tanks shot in the legs of those who ran deliberately towards them. Happy to help.

Edited March 4, 2024 by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, ExplorerMystic said:

Once this is being done they have to unite to stand against the bullies

Yes, and then start an atomic war. I think it would be better be realistic and admit that Israel exist. The other option is being eternally offended and full of hate and aim to the destruction, that is what the Muslims have been done all those 100 years. 

[ExplorerMystic]

@BreakingthewallJust taking one sentence out of an entire paragraph and quoting it here is not the best way to debate. First, broaden your horizon & leave the field of narrow-mindedness.

Edit : The paragraph is now elaborated to avoid any narrow perspective to arise.

Edited March 4, 2024 by ExplorerMystic

[Thought Art]

Interesting to see it 

what is now piles of rubble 

Edited March 4, 2024 by Thought Art

[Merkabah Star]

The before the war, Gaza video above was excellent. Swap it with Vietnamese people and it could have easily been parts of Ho Chi Minh City.

So sad what it’s become now. 

[Merkabah Star]

16 hours ago, Nivsch said:

hamas plans his whole strategy to make it impossible to harm him without harm civilians too.

This his survival strategy. This is his 24/7 job.

The number 1 survival strategy of every gerilla terror organization. To hide behind civilians and use them as a shield.

Imagine 20,000 hamas terrorists hide behind civilians and see how difficult this war is.

Cool story bro. 

This hiding behind civilians story has become void, not sure why you keep peddling it? If you think by saying it enough times we will start to believe it you are wrong. That kind of mind conditioning/brain washing technique works on your countrymen but not on anyone else. 

 

[Merkabah Star]

I’m sure everyone has seen the Kamala video calling for a ceasefire, just for the next 6 weeks, not a permanent one. 👀 she is just trying to get votes for when Biden steps down for 2024 and she is the potential nominee. She tries to sound and speak like Obama, i find it creepy. Liked her initially, but doubt she could beat trump. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

5 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

I’m sure everyone has seen the Kamala video calling for a ceasefire, just for the next 6 weeks, not a permanent one. 👀 she is just trying to get votes for when Biden steps down for 2024 and she is the potential nominee. She tries to sound and speak like Obama, i find it creepy. Liked her initially, but doubt she could beat trump. 

 

   This situation is so bad that we gotta rely on Donald Trump to this this mess, and you know that he's becoming more and more popular is telling a whole lot of a screwed up this situation is.

[Thought Art]

 

[Danioover9000]

@Thought Art

5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

 

   And another horrific incident painting the IDF and alt right Israel in a not so good light. You can even do some body language analysis on the Israel spokesperson and he's having to do a lot of internal processing and thinking, meanwhile fighting the surprise and shock down.

Edited March 4, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Thought Art]

@Danioover9000 Interesting interpretation.  Thanks for sharing.

I watched it, I don't know what is true. I generally watch things but don't cling to hard.

But, I would question that interpretation as well. 

What if they were trying to figure out what was true? Not, simply twist things towards their bias?

Or, what if they are biased toward one side, for some reason, and wanted to make one side look bad?

How do we make that distinction when we watch news?

How do we know the news sources we listen to are accurate? 

How do we know our interpretations of the news we watch is accurate and/or of high quality?

How can we notice when our biases and triggers are distorting what is actually being said?

How can we see or be aware of the bias of the particular news source we are listening to?

How does recontextualization and insight play into understanding complex social situations and conflicts?

What role does listening and observing multiple perspectives play into understanding what is true in a situation?

Edited March 4, 2024 by Thought Art

[Danioover9000]

@Thought Art

Just now, Thought Art said:

@Danioover9000 Interesting interpretation.  Thanks for sharing.

I watched it, I don't know what is true. I generally watch things but don't cling to hard.

   You're welcome! I can't bring up the definition again, but it's similar to UN's and what the South African case against Israel, part of their definition of genocide is exemplified by that flour massacre, the IDF soldiers starve them to near death, as part of a fear inducing tactic, and these little incidents with snipers or some random soldiers firing into the crowds is another form to induce further terror into Gazans, keep the terror and fear fresh into the minds of Gazans and some potential HAMMAs among them. It's part of that whole package of genocide, it's not just mass killings of armed or unarmed civilians only, it's a sequence of patterns to eventually allow the occupying force into newer territory. But thanks for overseeing this thread again you're level headed that I can take long breaks.

[Thought Art]

I don’t know what is true. 
 

But, I have a deep respect for Israel. 
 

I have a deep respect for the innocent of Palestine. 
 

I hope for Peace and healing. 
 

I Hope i have not offended anyone in this thread. 
 

I wish you Peace and health. 
 

“Out Beyond Ideas of Wrongdoing and Rightdoing

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
There is a field. I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
The world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
Doesn't make any sense.”  - Rumi