Posted March 3, 2024 (edited) @Danioover9000 Ok. Yes. Everyone have their biasies. But bias is also experience in your side's world. Edited March 3, 2024 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nivsch said: No. There is a huge difference between the good intentions of aljazeera and that of Israel. I saw the whole video of course two years ago. 😄 of course you think that they think the same thing. Edited March 3, 2024 by Thought Art "I heard you guys are very safe. Caught up with the featherweights”" - Bon Iver ◭“Holyfields”◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said: @Nivsch And? Have you forgotten we live in a democracy? Where there are diverse ranges of perspectives and views on this issue? Why simplify it all down and say Aljazeera, Owen Jones, The Young Turks or even any other Channel with some pro Palestinian views are all evil and bad? He is a biased actor in the situation. So, when you read his responses simply realize his survival interests. Israel needs to believe it is good and right to kill tens or hundreds of thousands. In their mind this is a good thing. It’s bad for everyone else who has biases against killing and starving and wounding that many people. People tend prefer and base their views around what is good for them. Also assume the information he is surrounded by and the background he comes from. Then, do the same thing for yourself. You also have biases that shape your world view. Edited March 3, 2024 by Thought Art "I heard you guys are very safe. Caught up with the featherweights”" - Bon Iver ◭“Holyfields”◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Thought Art said: Israel needs to believe it is good and right to kill tens or hundreds of thousands. In their mind this is a good thing. For them is necessary, the same as the Americans saw it necessary to drop two atomic bombs on two Japanese cities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 (edited) Edited March 3, 2024 by Thought Art "I heard you guys are very safe. Caught up with the featherweights”" - Bon Iver ◭“Holyfields”◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 "I heard you guys are very safe. Caught up with the featherweights”" - Bon Iver ◭“Holyfields”◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: For them is necessary, the same as the Americans saw it necessary to drop two atomic bombs on two Japanese cities. How is it necessary? -it is not necessary to save hostages, they’ve killed way more than they’ve saved -it is not necessary for defense, inside Gaza Hamas normally can’t do anything but send rockets which rarely hit the target, Oct 7 happened because they removed border security from Gaza to go to the West Bank and help settlers, also not necessary as settlers don’t need to be there -it is not necessary for future safety, just like with prior wars this just sows seeds for future violence and risks war with other groups like Hezbollah and Houthi’s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 15 minutes ago, Raze said: -it is not necessary for future safety, just like with prior wars this just sows seeds for future violence and risks war with other groups like Hezbollah and Houthi’s. It is necessary to show their enemies, that are a lot, that confronting them has terrible consequences. The other option is abandon the land. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: It is necessary to show their enemies, that are a lot, that confronting them has terrible consequences. The other option is abandon the land. So why weren’t any of these prior conflicts enough to serve that purpose and how do they know this current onslaught will? https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Raze said: -it is not necessary for future safety, just like with prior wars this just sows seeds for future violence and risks war with other groups like Hezbollah and Houthi’s. How to know? "I heard you guys are very safe. Caught up with the featherweights”" - Bon Iver ◭“Holyfields”◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Raze said: Deconstructing Property Rights (actualized.org) https://www.actualized.org/insights/deconstructing-property-rights Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 3, 2024 54 minutes ago, Thought Art said: How to know? Because it’s already happened dozens of times. Israel refuses to remove the blockade or settlers, Hamas feels their popularity threatened so they attack, Israel bombards them and Hamas recruits the orphans and they negotiate a cease fire to temporarily reduce some restrictions, repeat. Meanwhile we have examples of other extremist groups stopping when their concerns are taken seriously and they are given political solutions like the IRA. Even the PLO gave up violence thanks to the OSLO accords because they at least saw some possibility of a state. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4, 2024 "I heard you guys are very safe. Caught up with the featherweights”" - Bon Iver ◭“Holyfields”◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4, 2024 @Thought Art 6 hours ago, Thought Art said: He is a biased actor in the situation. So, when you read his responses simply realize his survival interests. Israel needs to believe it is good and right to kill tens or hundreds of thousands. In their mind this is a good thing. It’s bad for everyone else who has biases against killing and starving and wounding that many people. People tend prefer and base their views around what is good for them. Also assume the information he is surrounded by and the background he comes from. Then, do the same thing for yourself. You also have biases that shape your world view. Ture, I duality noted. We're all stuck in this multiplex multi dimensional chess and Chinese Go hybrid game, each point of view entangled with biases of our metanarratives and each other. Or as Daniel Schmachtenberger put it we're in Molloch situation where we should ideally be in Game B but we're incentivised deeply to play Game A to outcomes orient and out compete the other players over limited resources. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4, 2024 9 hours ago, Thought Art said: I logged in to post this vid. The pro Israel crowd will disable it as disinformation. It’s all there, it’s all their footage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4, 2024 (edited) @Merkabah Star Yes, but their presentation is biased. Just watch the videos themselves and think you what think. Listen to the soldiers themselves what do they say? Edited March 4, 2024 by Thought Art "I heard you guys are very safe. Caught up with the featherweights”" - Bon Iver ◭“Holyfields”◮ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4, 2024 9 hours ago, Nivsch said: What aljazeera are really doing is to project their own darkness, which is far-far more toxic, unhealthy and manipulative, into Israeli soldiers. Come on man. The video was by Israeli soldiers. Aljazeera didn’t make them do it. They didn’t project their darkness into them to make them do all these bad things. If we are talking about bias, your bias is bonkers. It’s so programmed inside your mind. I don’t know how you will ever break free from the ego mind. You are the only person on this thread who hasn’t had a proper break from it. You need to log out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4, 2024 5 minutes ago, Thought Art said: @Merkabah Star Yes, but their presentation is biased. Just watch the videos themselves and think you what think. Listen to the soldiers themselves what do they say? Both sides are biased, sure. But when you pull back from this conflict and let go of your bias, and just sit with it, and look at it again, it is hard not to have an opinion on it. Just the sheer numbers of children and women dead. It’s hard not to get emotional about it and why the western powers haven’t shut it down yet. The USA could stop it tomorrow if they wanted to. Is it biased to call out humanitarian nightmares that are breaking international law? I don’t think that is bias. That’s being real. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 4, 2024 @Thought Art you are a beautiful, calming addition to this thread. ❤️ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
