My first time doing Datura(Wrightii 1 seed)

[Tim R]

Once you're at the top, it's all downhill from there. Get rid of up and down altogether. No nonsense omnipotence. 

Ass hair grows and I know Omnipotence

[JuliusCaesar]

1 hour ago, Loba said:

My guide says that these plants are put here by different races to teach their message to humanity.  They are our neighbors saying hello.  So when you go into this you want to view it as a technology that you are learning from and do not go in with the idea to take from them as this is considered rude.

That would seem to be an accurate perspective. And yes, humility is of course necessary as we're dealing with forces greater than ourselves.

 

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

Have you also tried lavender tea/chamomile tea?

No I haven't, I'd be surprised if either of those were effective.

 

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

 Have you also tried self hypnosis for lucid dreaming?

What do you mean exactly? If you're talking about autosuggestion I've done that hundreds of times.

 

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

 Neuro feedback brain training?

Nope

 

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

 If I asked you which is more easier to access in your area, classic psychedelics or Datura(natural deliriants in this case like salvia), which class is it(without going into details as to how you got either)? 

As crazy as it may sound, Datura is by far the easiest hallucinogen for me to source. Due to it's legality(it's legal to buy, sell, posses, and even consume basically everywhere, the only exception being Stramonium being banned in like one state I believe). So I can literally just buy it off the internet from agricultural companies. It's reasonably cheap as well. As for Salvia, I'm in Colorado it's illegal here but I could just go over one state into Utah where it's legal and buy it and do it(crazy right? I'm in the weed capital of the world and here Salvia is illegal, but in the Mormon stronghold of Utah it's legal). And of course I can get traditional psychedelics through clandestine channels, or quasi legal analogues as a sort of legal gray area.

 

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

Have you also tried salvia too?

No, but I've definitely considered chewing it in quid form. I know from reading third person reports that Salvia puts you in the realm of the dead, and as such it might just be perfect for the work I'm doing(as it's physically much less dangerous than Datura).

 

1 hour ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Natural State > Being a “God”

I love the ambition. You should read into the 5 realms in Buddhism. You are very similar to myself. Look at the limitations of the titan realm. You should pursue these passions like wanting to be a god, but also realize they are funny little pesky fabrications. All of your highest desires are bullshit, and so are mine. Don’t get so attached to them, but enjoy them. Trying to be God is what keeps you as just a god. God doesn’t try to be God. It just is. That’s the feminine power you’re missing. You’ve gotta let go sometimes. Let go enough and you’ll see you’re always doing everything with absolutely no effort. 

Of course, all realities are just dreamt up by us(though we're not very conscious of it currently).

 

1 hour ago, BipolarGrowth said:

The Absolute will watch you develop some God capabilities for yourself then show up 1 trillion years later as a cockroach with an 8 pack and take a shit on your pesky creations for your own growth. This stuff is nonsense compared to the highest capabilities of consciousness. 

Quite possible, assuming I succeed in becoming immortal(which seems likely) I'll still be around in a trillion years for that very strange thing to potentially happen. Well, it's not that strange a thing when you consider the absolute nature of infinity(and thus the nature of infinite power). A consequence of which means there will probably always be something I imagine to be more powerful than myself(no matter how powerful I become).

 

59 minutes ago, Tim R said:

Once you're at the top, it's all downhill from there.

I already am at the top, as are you because you're me. It's lonely at the top ain't it?

 

16 minutes ago, BenG said:

Pardon me for being the ignorant normie in the chat, but do you think you could take a minute to indulge my dumb curiosity and explain.... Uhh. Wut?? ?

So read the first two posts I've made on this forum which I'll link here.

Okay, now that you've read those posts, you should know that I'm aware of myself being God(albeit unconsciously). So now the logical next step is embodiment(actually becoming more like God in my human existence). I'm highly consequentialist and utilitarian in how I view the dream(what you humans call reality). And as such I value the most useful aspects of God consciousness. Which of course are Omnipotence(with infinite power anything can be done) and Immortality(if you're immortal you have an infinite period of time to do things in).

[Tim R]

@JuliusCaesar

2 minutes ago, JuliusCaesar said:

I already am at the top, as are you because you're me. It's lonely at the top ain't it?

Then what's with your desire to shuffle asteroid belts? 

Lonely at the top? Probably, but I don't know about that.

[Jakuchu]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are playing with dynamite. Be careful. Stick to classic psychedelics.

He shouldn't stick to anything, he needs a stick 

This is not even a psychedelic, it's literally poison 

[Javfly33]

I Guess you got balls.

Not sure What you want to accomplish with this though ?

[Danioover9000]

@JuliusCaesar

   Chamomile tea and lavender tea were effective on me. Just drinking lavender tea made me feel heavy around the eyes, and it was lights out for me. That night had a deep dream too, but whether it was from the lavender is questionable, all this when I brewed from the actual lavender leaves. But getting the herbal tea as a package already should be enough. Do give chamomile tea/ lavender tea a try.

   Autosuggetion was what I was referring to, but also those deep hypnosis sessions too, either solo or assisted by a hypnotist.

   Tried weed too for lucid dreaming? Smoked or liquid?

[Windappreciator]

On 12/17/2021 at 11:45 PM, Loba said:

There are powers you can get if you get close to death like that, but they are tricky, and so are the beings you might meet.

Do it if you're ready to die for it, but go in prepared. The beings I met regularly change reality around and I notice these changes.   If you mess with reality in the wrong way, those beings will mess you up.

yes

[Windappreciator]

honestly be careful with that entity stuff, you may lose sanity for good.

[JuliusCaesar]

6 hours ago, Tim R said:

@JuliusCaesar

Then what's with your desire to shuffle asteroid belts? 

Lonely at the top? Probably, but I don't know about that.

You do know about it, your limited human knowledge is only a consequence of you fooling yourself into the human experience.

 

1 hour ago, Windappreciator said:

honestly be careful with that entity stuff, you may lose sanity for good.

I'm of course aware of this possibility.

 

25 minutes ago, Loba said:

@JuliusCaesar it sounds like you can handle it.  Let us know how it goes.  

I will, just to let you know I've decided to wait at least two weeks before doing Datura again now. I'm likely to explore the differences in doing a microdose of all the different Datura species(Stramonium, Inoxia etc etc). As for doing a macrodose(like most of the idiot college kids I read about doing it recreationally), or what I'd call a hard invasion into the Datura world. That isn't something I think I'm ready to attempt. And it might not even be necessary anyway. Maybe in the future if it seems to be beneficial to do so(like if I was doing it under the guidance of an experienced Shaman or something of that nature, or if one of my ally's I know I can trust advised me to do it).

[Jakuchu]

✝22

cause of death: stupidity 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Jakuchu

[JuliusCaesar]

7 minutes ago, Jakuchu said:

✝22

cause of death: stupidity 

The irony of your statement is cosmic in proportions.

[Windappreciator]

@Loba  more than i could wish for

[JuliusCaesar]

5 minutes ago, BenG said:

Interesting. good luck and stay safe

Yessir, you can probably tell from reading the things I have to say that in terms of dangerous things I tend to be very conservative in my approach.

 

7 minutes ago, BenG said:

When galaxies start disappearing, I'll give a nod in your direction. 

Ha, sure thing.

 

7 minutes ago, BenG said:

Fellow Coloradan! 

Yep, was born here in fact. Well, we imagined that I was born here anyway.

 

8 minutes ago, BenG said:

Yeah, I'm sure some paranormal abilities are possible. I just personally have no idea how one would go about acquiring said abilities.

There are basically two different schools of thought here. One invokes the use of herculean discipline to execute certain repetitive tasks that at first bear little fruit until eventually they manifest like a great oak tree. And the other involves the use of mind altering substances to access non ordinary states of consciousness, as from these alternate realities the rulesets are different(to ordinary reality) and as such some are useful for manipulating reality(more so than ordinary consciousness). Currently I'm considering combining these two into a more powerful paradigm.

[JuliusCaesar]

48 minutes ago, Loba said:

that's good that you're only doing a small dose but I wonder if maybe a plant that you can take a higher dose on and stay safe might be better suited for your purposes.

Well, at present I'm currently considering two different possible frameworks for spiritual work(which when I say that I usually mean something like what you'd call Siddhi acquisition). One of them involves utilizing dream potentiation(which Datura appears to be perfect for in small doses). The other is to use mind altering substances to potentiate guided meditations designed to bring about certain abilities. Relative to that paradigm, in my estimation some form of Psilocybin/Psilocin would likely be preferable(Psilocybin is less toxic than Aspirin, and usually produces good experiences anyway). The reason classic psychedelics like LSD and Psilocybin aren't preferable for exploring/utilizing sleeping dreams is that it's nearly impossible to fall asleep under their influence. For this kind of strategy(via dream potentiation) a substance causes the effects dream potentiation, time dilation, and sedation would be best. Datura manages to check all of these boxes at low doses(at higher doses it can become impossible to fall asleep, and you can even wind up sleep waking if you attempt to do so, which as you can imagine can be rather dangerous).

[Nahm]

10 hours ago, JuliusCaesar said:

There are basically two different schools of thought here. One invokes the use of herculean discipline to execute certain repetitive tasks that at first bear little fruit until eventually they manifest like a great oak tree. And the other involves the use of mind altering substances to access non ordinary states of consciousness, as from these alternate realities the rulesets are different(to ordinary reality) and as such some are useful for manipulating reality(more so than ordinary consciousness). Currently I'm considering combining these two into a more powerful paradigm.

Third option, non-aversion, inspection of beliefs, quite mind in meditation, understand emotions. Actually ‘works’. ?? 

Acquiring Siddhi’s is a gross misunderstanding. 

[Heraclitus]

@JuliusCaesar if you want vivid lucid dreams, just drink a lot of apple juice before sleeping. Look it up, thank me later

[JuliusCaesar]

"God speaketh once, and repeateth not the selfsame thing the second time. By a dream in a vision by night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, and they are sleeping in their beds: Then he openeth the ears of men, and teaching instructeth them in what they are to learn. That he may withdraw a man from the things he is doing, and may deliver him from pride. Rescuing his soul from corruption: and his life from passing to the sword. He rebuketh also by sorrow in the bed, and he maketh all his bones to wither." -Job 33:14-19

 

So massive update, I've decided to cease taking Datura(perhaps indefinitely). I'm sure that was unexpected, so allow me to explain my reasoning. A series of events going back about a week and half, in combination with a dream I recently awoke from has caused me to realize something. And that insight is that with Datura THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MICRODOSING. And no, this isn't because the possible differential in potency is 1 to 5, in my harm reduction practice I have ways of accounting for that. There's a much more radical reason for my conclusion. 

 

So about 10 days ago or so, I started reading a great deal of Datura trip reports. And then one morning during this time, I was with my parents and we intended to go out to eat somewhere. In the car, my mom and dad had this huge argument over basically nothing(it was over where the heat/cold climate control setting was when they intended not to run the fan, so it didn't make any difference who had their way as it'd be like multiplying by zero). So I wound up going with my dad to eat at the desired restaurant. Then on the trip there, he mentioned to me that he had a dream the night prior. In which I was I had a kid that looked exactly like me, and he was sick in the hospital. When this happened, I immediately intuited that the dream wasn't meant for him but me. Because you see, I hadn't told anyone about my intention to do Datura or that I was reading trip reports(so at the time only the Godhead would be aware of such a thing, or a highly psychically developed human, which I know for a fact my dad is not). So at first I felt somewhat alarmed at this, but I reasoned it away. "Those idiot teens and college kids doing it recreationally overdose by taking a hallucinogenic quantity, I won't make the same mistake". Then the rest of the day, more unfortunate things happened like the fight between my parents. When we got to the restaurant, they told us they were closing their kitchen on mondays(you see they're a bar, but they've never done that in the past). So we decided to go eat at Jack in the Box. And what do you know? They're closed as well! On a weekday no less(something I've never seen driving by their place for like 6 years). It occurred to me that all might be a bad omen, but my logical reasoning mind explained it away as coincidence at the time.

 

So fast forward to last night, on this very thread a user called Jakuchu wrote this

"

✝22

cause of death: stupidity "

Of course, I merely interpreted that as the individual not understanding what I'm doing at the time. So I replied by pointing out the irony of him saying that(addressing a future immortal being with the possibility of death, when he himself is mortal and will inevitably die for lack of spirituality). When I made that post, I for some reason felt that I was putting off a Barney Stinson(from How I met your Mother) vibe. This morning I awoke from a dream where I was Ted Mosby (from How I met your Mother). And I was begging and pleading with a dying Barney Stinson(his face was black and he was hiding under his bed, and had a sort of defeatist attitude) that he should live. And I was asking him what would I have to do save his life. And then I woke up, and it hit me. My intuitive mind connected all of the dots. At this point I know I've just had a precognitive dream predicting my own physical mortality if I continue to do the Devil's Weed as I've intended in the way I've planned to do so. Now you might be wondering, why don't I just rationally explain it all away as nonsense?

 

Because my first inclination was to do exactly that. In spite of the fact that I've gotten perfectly accurate information about future events from dreams before(that should have been impossible for me to know or predict). However, when I tried to do it, all I could do is think back to what happened shortly after I ate that one Wrightii seed. How I perceived the plant's spirit urging me to redose(when I experienced a burst of Euphoria). I fought off that inclination as you know, but what if I had chosen to do 2 seeds, or 3? or 4? You see the problem here, this is still potentially within microdose range, and yet it's easy to imagine that if I did a slightly higher dose it would make the trip much stronger. If I make the trip stronger, than that means my urge to redose will be stronger. And this is far from being anecdotal by the way, as I've noticed redosing is a common theme in Datura trip reports.

 

I continued thinking about this, you see last night I had reasoned that I could mitigate the risk of toxicity to basically nothing. By becoming more active at Vishuddhi(when I've activated the chakra in the past, I've felt this sort of cool holy energy course through me that annihilated any pain or disease or cold symptoms). I also played with the idea about activating Manipura(as every time I've done that my digestion has improved dramatically, and if you're going to be processing powerful toxins your digestion needs to on point). But in the end I chose only to work on my Vishuddhi. As I reasoned that it was the superior option due to the inherently powerful nature of the Sadhana. Anyway, going forward in time back to my realization that it's impossible to microdose Datura. Something I realized is that I could potentially reach a level of competency in the Vishuddhi that I could deal not only with the toxicity of the plant, but also the consciousness altering effect of it(I know from schizophrenics that when they activate their Vishuddhi their hallucinations disappear). This is actually a bad thing, because I could convince myself to do higher doses than just what I had initially intended to do. And could be completely wrong about the notion that I'm ready for it, and wind up summoning the spirit of the plant, trying to conquer her. Only to be conquered by her, possibly taken into her world for eternity. Where all I could do is love and submit to her(as I'd probably be dead in the dream of ordinary reality at that point). So the reason I've decided to stop doing Datura, has nothing to do with the plant's excessive toxicity(though I certainly understand why that's enough to dissuade most people). Instead, it's because you can't microdose Datura, because with Datura MICRODOSING=MACRODOSING. Sure, you might get away with playing it conservatively for a while. Just as a criminal could get away with shoplifting a stick of gum everyday for a while. But just as the criminal eventually will blunder and wind up in prison, so you'd eventually  wind up being devastated by Datura.

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by JuliusCaesar
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[JuliusCaesar]

6 minutes ago, Loba said:

I see, I get it.  What kind of dreams have you been having so far?  You mention you almost found the spirit of the plant, that must have been pretty cool to experience.  There is a lot to be learned about reality from dreaming.
I'm super curious to see how you will go about this on your journey, either through dreaming or through the guided meditations.  It would be such a quick mind unlock for sure.

Well, I'm most certainly going to be using guided meditations almost exclusively. Probably just stay away from substances in general for a while. But in the future I'll probably experiment with using Psilocybin to potentiate the practice. And as for me telepathically communing with Wrightii's spirit. Yeah, she wanted me to up the dose lol. I'm glad I fought off that impulse because she could have easily coaxed me into eating a very dangerous quantity.

[JuliusCaesar]

3 hours ago, Heraclitus said:

@JuliusCaesar if you want vivid lucid dreams, just drink a lot of apple juice before sleeping. Look it up, thank me later

I did look it up and it sounds promising; I'll have to try that.

[JuliusCaesar]

5 minutes ago, Loba said:

@JuliusCaesar It reads to me like you are good at "keying" your subconscious.  If something is not going to be good for you, reality will let you know.  Glad to hear that you listen to that part of yourself, some people brush it off as nonsense, but it is actually a very real and valid thing to have events like this happen to let you know something important.  So you already have a siddhi, in a way, you can read you inner subconscious that is dictating to your outer world events that take place to tell you messages pertaining to your well being.  I would continue to develop upon those skills for sure.

That would seem to be an accurate assessment. Not to change the subject, but there's a twisted irony about Datura which she shares with banking sector. Just as banks only lend money to those who don't need it(wealthy individuals who are poised to repay the loan), and refuse to lend it to those who do(homeless people on the streets with no income and no credit). So Datura is much the same with occult powers. Only those who are already considerably occult competent can actually handle Datura, and yet those are the individuals who benefit the least from such a thing(as they're considerably powerful already). It's the people who have no clue about the magical nature of reality who would benefit the most from Datura blessing them with occult capabilities. And yet if those people do enter her realm, they're likely just to have a hellish nightmare of an experience. Which is totally unproductive and dangerous, not only taxing the person's vital organs, but also making them a threat to themself, and those around them(like when they perceive a baby to be a tub of ice cream and put the child in the freezer, or drive whilst under Datura's influence).