Pickup feels fake and low conscious

[ItsNick]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

People whose lives are too easy or privileged end up spoiled.

Seems like life is more unfair when it comes to selfish things and fairer when it comes to selfless things.

 

Can't blame life for not developing yourself as a man. And more selfish desires such as getting laid will come as a fruit

[Gesundheit2]

59 minutes ago, Nahm said:

It might be regional but girls around here like to be themself and have fun, and don’t seem interested in playing mind games. Honestly, this thinking is only encountered in this experience on this forum.  Similarly, judgement, like fake and low conscious. Again, might be local, but girls don’t seem to resonate with that way of thinking. 

It's global. They don't seem to resonate with that way of thinking because all of the thinking is done subconsciously. They don't know what they're doing or why they're doing it to the point where they're even in denial about it. There's nothing "authentic" or "fun" about waxing legs or having to wear makeup everyday. It's painful and exhausting. "Having fun" is just a cover for trying to maximize sexual potential when interacting with the opposite sex, or survival potential when interacting with other women. The two playing fields are not distinct, in fact they interact and feedback into each others. Men also have two very similar playing fields. But most people have almost zero awareness of the games they or others play. Everyone is so busy playing their own game and trying to win it to have time to observe or meta-reflect, since that would lower their chances of winning and moving up the social hierarchy, or at least maintaining their current position and status and not dropping down.

Edited November 16, 2021 by Gesundheit2

[Nahm]

@Gesundheit2

Hmm. I’ve actually waxed legs and applied make up. Not to me, but honestly it was quite fun. I think I get what you’re saying about fun being a cover but I don’t agree. Fun seems like the point to me, and I don’t really know or get what sexual potential, winning or a social hierarchy is. Maybe you’re being facetious, dunno. I’m pretty convinced these middle westerners all just wanna have fun. Kind of a ‘it’s all good and it’s all in fun, now get in the pit and try ta love someone’ vibe over here. We got material girls too, but overall more about turning the page, and the real you standing up. 

[Gesundheit2]

Just now, Nahm said:

@Gesundheit2

Hmm. I’ve actually waxed legs and applied make up. Not to me, but honestly it was quite fun. I think I get what you’re saying about fun being a cover but I don’t agree. Fun seems like the point to me, and I don’t really know or get what sexual potential, winning or a social hierarchy is. Maybe you’re being facetious, dunno.  

Who said you're highly conscious?

[Nahm]

@Gesundheit2

Uh, I don’t know, who? If it sounds like that’s what I’m saying or trying to say, it’s not. 

[roopepa]

People do respond well when you are being authentic and feeling good about yourself and your life.

If you think you are awesome, attractive, worthy and good, you will find intimacy. There is no need for these games.

[roopepa]

@Gesundheit2 

What makes you think this 'surviving' is not actually fun for those girls?

How do you feel about this sexual potential, survival and social hierarchy - narrative?

Have you been having lots of fun lately, or is this survival stuff perhaps made you feel a bit down and unworthy?

[Terell Kirby]

Pick up increased my lay count to quadruple the amount from where it was back in 2015.

I have moved on to higher consciousness living since then, but sometimes we have to fulfill basic survival needs before we get all existential about life.

If you don't tackle basic survival needs, and successfully integrate them, then your so called high consciousness way of living can be quite fraudulent...rooted in self righteousness and virtue signaling.

[Gesundheit2]

@roopepa

25 minutes ago, roopepa said:

@Gesundheit2 

What makes you think this 'surviving' is not actually fun for those girls?

How do you feel about this sexual potential, survival and social hierarchy - narrative?

Have you been having lots of fun lately, or is this survival stuff perhaps made you feel a bit down and unworthy?

Thank you, doc. That must be the right diagnosis ??‍♂️

[soos_mite_ah]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The hottest girls are usually the lowest consciousness simply because their life is so easy that developing consciousness wasn't necessary.

2 hours ago, Gesundheit2 said:

They game when they put makeup on, wax their legs, wear sexy clothes, get their hair done, get manicure and pedicure, etc.

3 hours ago, gettoefl said:

in short the hotties are all into make up rather than wake up

Can we please stop assuming that women do these thing for men and male attention or that participating in what is considered traditionally feminine makes a woman less intelligent or conscious. Not everything revolves around you or other men.  

[Gesundheit2]

1 minute ago, soos_mite_ah said:

Can we please stop assuming that women do these thing for men and male attention or that participating in what is considered traditionally feminine makes a woman less intelligent or conscious. Not everything revolves around you or other men.  

I mentioned in another post that there are two playing fields. Here:

1 hour ago, Gesundheit2 said:

"Having fun" is just a cover for trying to maximize sexual potential when interacting with the opposite sex, or survival potential when interacting with other women. The two playing fields are not distinct, in fact they interact and feedback into each others. Men also have two very similar playing fields. But most people have almost zero awareness of the games they or others play.

 

[actually]

Im just gonna share my experience on the matter..

I found that girls will fucking love you/crave you when you treat them like shit basically. It might be attracting only damaged women but I'd say 70% of the women will get wet as fuck for the guy that is distant and not giving 2 shits about her. Seen it time and time again. Why they do it I really don't know but if your ''authentic self'' is being a weirdo and socially awkward then you will fuck it up. 

 

Women will argue against this because they are trying to save face or something but it's what it is.

Edited November 16, 2021 by actually

[Gesundheit2]

5 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

@Gesundheit2 Pssst? you're supposed to just blindly agree, and not question anything?

Don't blame me. Blame Leo's shadow side that brought me here ??

[Shin]

3 minutes ago, actually said:

Im just gonna share my experience on the matter..

I found that girls will fucking love you/crave you when you treat them like shit basically. It might be attracting only damaged women but I'd say 70% of the women will get wet as fuck for the guy that is distant and not giving 2 shits about her. Seen it time and time again. Why they do it I really don't know but if your ''authentic self'' is being a weirdo and socially awkward then you will fuck it up. 

 

Women will argue against this because they are trying to save face or something but it's what it is.

Treating them like shit that works only for damaged/weak girl.

Treating them like they are not important (as in not more than anyone else) that works for all of them.

It's just an honest indication of non neediness, but in the first case it's pathological.

[actually]

6 minutes ago, Shin said:

Treating them like shit that works only for damaged/weak girl.

Treating them like they are not important (as in not more than anyone else) that works for all of them.

It's just an honest indication of non neediness, but in the first case it's pathological.

yea its a weird paradox man. Here I am actually wanting to love a girl but then get asked if I can spit on her face and choke her out.

is love even real lol

[Thunder Kiss]

18 minutes ago, actually said:

70% of the women will get wet as fuck for the guy that is distant and not giving 2 shits about her. Seen it time and time again. Why they do it I really don't know

Hello because this is the era we are living in everyone has trauma and daddy issues.  Most women are also emotionally unavailable * which is exactly why they chase them kinda guys. People blindly follow their trauma and it takes getting hurt to wake up.  People who had loving relationships with their father and mother end up in loving relationships because they aren’t attracted to toxicity. 

* because of how masculine oriented society is that women have became hardened and afraid to let anyone in for fear of being hurt. So they go after people who won’t love them to reaffirm that they are unlovable. Same goes for guys.  

Edited November 16, 2021 by Thunder Kiss

[Gesundheit2]

2 minutes ago, Thunder Kiss said:

Hello because this is the era we are living in everyone has trauma and daddy issues.  Most women are also emotionally unavailable which is exactly why they chase them kinda guys. People blindly follow their trauma and it takes getting hurt to wake up.  People who had loving relationships with their father and mother end up in loving relationships because they aren’t attracted to toxicity. 

I have another theory. I think women desire the rarest men regardless of so called "trauma" or how good or bad the men are.

I think 2000 years ago, good benevolent men were the sexiest and most desirable because they were rare. But now that they are plenty, women shifted towards the bad men because they are rare.

Ego at its finest.

[Thunder Kiss]

7 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

I have another theory. I think women desire the rarest men regardless of so called "trauma" or how good or bad the men are.

I think 2000 years ago, good benevolent men were the sexiest and most desirable because they were rare. But now that they are plenty, women shifted towards the bad men because they are rare.

Ego at its finest.

Why are you so close minded to the idea of childhood trauma influencing people’s adult relationships? People are incapable of intimacy because they feel so unloved.  People with avoidant attachment and anxious attachment make up for most of the single people who are on the dating market.  Secure people are usually paired up in a long term relationship.  And it just so happens that these secure people who are already paired up are the confident people who had a good upbringing and don’t have a cynical view of the world.’

I mean yeah we can still take into account that girls usually want confident strong guys, yada yada yada, it’s been talked about to death. But there’s no denying that your upbringing has a massive effect on what your adult relationships will be like.

[Gesundheit2]

@Thunder Kiss Did you even read a single word in my post? I didn't go near confidence. I don't know where that came from.

And jeez! Right off the bat calling me closed-minded just because I said "another theory"? Alright, I am closed-minded. Let's stop right here. Please.

[knakoo]

On 15/11/2021 at 0:13 PM, yolosmoothie said:

the last video is best to start with since it is a very brief summary. 

 

This guy explains very well the limitations of pick up. Any guy who is totally bought in the pick up paradigm should watch this.

But to come from the place he describes, you basically have to spiritually awaken. 

Have you taken his course ? I wonder how it is different from what a spiritual teacher would teach.