Enlightenment =unconditional happiness?

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Be aware that Enlightenment has nothing to do with happiness.

It's simply freedom from the individual that judges apparent happenings as good or bad. 

So it's the transcendence of happiness or sadness if you will.

Freedom for No One ❤

Happiness with a capitol "h" is our true nature, ie beyond dualistic notions of happiness and sadness. 

[WelcometoReality]

@Someone here An enlightened person has transcended grief, which is a low level emotion, into love and stillness. There will however still be sadness and happiness.

[allislove]

6 hours ago, Someone here said:

For example, does a highly enlightened person feel grief after someone close to them has died? Are they actually uncondtionally happy, or in denial about how they actually feel? Can you still feel grief and stay happy? So the more enlightened the more insanely happy you become lol. It seems incomprehensible that you could stay smiling in such a travesty.

Imagine that you are sitting in the cinema called "You". Now turn the head and see around... that's the movie. Enlightenment is the recognition that you are the whole cinema (the screen, movie, person watching the movie). Even if you recognize that you are watching the movie there can be sadness, happiness and all the goodies movie provides. It's noticed that the feelings come and go as everything else - as thinking, as sound of the train, as any object. The suffering is dropped since it's recognized that the movie can't really touch you. You are "something" that never comes & goes, ever present awareness. There is only one movie called "Love", so nothing to do, but to enjoy it.  

[The0Self]

7 hours ago, Someone here said:

It seems incomprehensible that you could stay smiling in such a travesty.

Maybe the smiling you refer to is just a metaphor, but even so, unconditional happiness means you’re happy even when you aren’t smiling. Being unhappy (or, so to speak, “not smiling”) is just another sensation and all is unconditionally welcome.

Not to mention:

There’s no separation, first of all, so everything is complete and unconditioned... But also, no one can prevent any sensation from happening anyway — it’s an illusion that you can, and if it’s recognized there’s truly nothing you can do, well then there’s obviously nothing you can do, so you’re sensation-proof.

Edited July 3, 2021 by The0Self

[Moksha]

A hard core solipsist wouldn't grieve if someone they love died. After all, everyone and everything is an illusion, outside of their own reality.

I don't consider solipsists to be enlightened. They have had an incremental awakening, but haven't yet arrived at the summit. Enlightenment is not only the realization of your ultimate nature. It is seeing the sameness of yourself in every other being. It is unconditional love.

Life is worthy of honor, celebration, and grief. Seeing clearly doesn't diminish the value of living. To the contrary, it enhances the experience, beyond what is possible when you are blind. It is the transience of life that makes it precious. Realizing your ultimate nature, beyond relative reality, frees you to live lucidly. Instead of dismissing the dream, embrace it. You created you for a reason.

[Pateedm]

4 minutes ago, Moksha said:

A hard core solipsist wouldn't grieve if someone they love died. After all, everyone and everything is an illusion, outside of their own reality.

I don't consider solipsists to be enlightened. They have had an incremental awakening, but haven't yet arrived at the summit. Enlightenment is not only the realization of your ultimate nature. It is seeing the sameness of yourself in every other being. It is unconditional love.

Life is worthy of honor, celebration, and grief. Seeing clearly doesn't diminish the value of living. To the contrary, it enhances the experience, beyond what is possible when you are blind. It is the transience of life that makes it precious. Realizing your ultimate nature, beyond relative reality, frees you to live lucidly. Instead of dismissing the dream, embrace it. You created you for a reason.

@Moksha That is beautiful.

[BipolarGrowth]

Happiness can’t have a condition to it if you are enlightened. 

[Enlightenment]

By how I define happiness, an enlightened person's hapiness does depend on conditions but it does require less for her to be happy. 

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Can you still feel grief and stay happy?

Depends on how you define happy

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does a highly enlightened person feel grief after someone close to them has died?

Yes (unless she has some psychopathic disorder or whatever they call it)

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Are they actually uncondtionally happy, or in denial about how they actually feel?

This is an interesting question. Mostly I don't think they are in denial but often times have very different definitions of words they use than most people and there's confusion.

[Moksha]

@Pateedm Thank you ?