Life Progress

[Tyler Robinson]

46 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

 

I just hate fucking dishonest people, and this issue is still sensitive to me.

Part of the problem is that we continuously shame people who are dishonest. This makes it difficult for them to open up about their dishonesty. And that's what you're doing here, maybe it helps you, but no one is truly better than another. You didn't give it up. Even if Nahm admitted to his mistakes and flaws, would you give it up truly? 

Because the problem is. That calling another person a bad person somehow makes us feel better. That's the root of all problems. If we drop shaming and approach the problem with empathy like hey you can tell people about it but I'm not gonna judge you forever for this, then there are possibilities that people who wanted to correct the wrong might open up.. 

If Nahm confesses to his wrongdoings then he is risking his reputation. You act as though you're the most honest person in the world, but I'm sure if there were skeletons in your closet that you wouldn't wish to be revealed and you would find ways to hide it too.. Your reputation might not matter to you much because you aren't on Nahms level. But you got to understand that he is someone that a lot of people look up to, he has YouTube videos and he does a ton of stuff for people. Now he even has a forum. It would be incredibly difficult for someone like that to admit to anything wrong, they risk losing supporters and in turn their livelihood. 

What will you achieve even if he admitted to things, other than a vapid boost to your ego. You have to ask yourself why you're so desperate that he should publicly admit to it. It's not gonna bring your money back. 

Also make wiser choices in life. Everything is not always about the other person. Maybe they weren't genuinely aware of what they were doing. Why did you attract such a person or situation to your life? Maybe because you believed or invested too much. 

We all indirectly contribute to any bad karma that happens. 

 

[Judy2]

@Raptorsin7

55 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

this is the best my life has ever been, and it's only getting better.

That's great:)

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson My overall point is if you claim you're enlightened and you represent as an authority you deserve to be heavily scrutinized. 

I have a grudge against him for sure, but I would be content if he admitted to his wrong doing and took some responsibility for what happened.

I am aware that I played a role and there's a reason I don't have a grudge against any of the numerous mentors i've had. 

I love how people are so quick to come for me when I call out Nahm, but no one cares half as much about his conduct and what he's preaching that led to the backlash.

14 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Also make wiser choices in life. Everything is not always about the other person. Maybe they weren't genuinely aware of what they were doing. Why did you attract such a person or situation to your life? Maybe because you believed or invested too much. 

 

Why are you coming here and giving me advice about what I ought to do? 

[Tyler Robinson]

3 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@Tyler Robinson My overall point is if you claim you're enlightened and you represent as an authority you deserve to be heavily scrutinized. 

I have a grudge against him for sure, but I would be content if he admitted to his wrong doing and took some responsibility for what happened.

I am aware that I played a role and there's a reason I don't have a grudge against any of the numerous mentors i've had. 

I love how people are so quick to come for me when I call out Nahm, but no one cares half as much about his conduct and what he's preaching that led to the backlash.

Notice how you immediately think that people are coming for you when you are only being suggested that dragging someone incessantly isn't a great thing either and how this same behavior causes people like Nahm to not admit to their mistakes, we contribute to the same problem that we try to address. 

 

3 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

Why are you coming here and giving me advice about what I ought to do? 

Notice once again how you feel triggered just because someone gave you an alternate perspective on your situation but you only appreciate when someone says "I'm so sorry this happened to you." There is something to learn here, is to forget and let go and to empathize with others flaws as much as you wish people empathize with you. Nobody is perfect. 

 

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson Okay. My overall point is he's a charlatan and liar. 

I will work on empathizing with him in the future, as I grow this stuff will resolve it self. 

I just don't know you and I don't think you said anything particularly insightful or wise, so I'm just confused what you think you're accomplishing.

[Tyler Robinson]

@Raptorsin7 what I was trying to accomplish is to convince you to have greater empathy for a wrong doer and stay away from constantly calling him out since it is over and happened a long time ago, there is always a point where we need to drop things because it doesn't create space for healing, either for him or you. 

I just wanted to offer you something to ponder on so you would know that there are many things that are involved in a situation than just someone being right or wrong. And everything is way beyond all the moralizing we do. People make mistakes. There is not a single person on planet earth who hasn't made a mistake. 

It seems that after I offered you an alternate perspective you're ready to work on empathizing with him. Which is good. If my perspective wasn't helpful even in the least,, then my bad. Have a good day. 

 

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson Maybe it's a good thing for people to be aware of charlatans.

I do not appreciate people who I don't know commenting and tell me how I ought to do things. 

But maybe you are right, i'm not sure.

[Tyler Robinson]

@Raptorsin7 okay think about it this way. 

How would you feel if you made a mistake and duped someone. You might say that you will never do it. But what if you did. 

And after that people kept dragging your name forever about it, shaming you for what you did? Would it give you space for healing or moving on? 

Would you not feel dragged on and on, never having closure on what happened? Would not feel like people should stop focusing on the bad you did and give you a chance to better yourself and not keep endlessly dragging you in the mud? 

And what if admitting to your mistakes is going to cost a lot to your business or reputation? Knowing that you would lose, would you still go ahead and confess to your wrongdoings? 

Just asking for your perspective on how you would react if the same happened to you and people just weren't ready to forgive you and calling you a charlatan everyday? 

 

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson I would apologize and I would take responsibility for being a terrible teacher and misleading people.

I wouldn't gaslight the person or refuse to take responsibility or accountability for what happened. And I wouldn't lie about receiving money.

"... Destroy your reputation. Be notorious"- Rumi

I could give two fucks about my reputation if it came at the cost of the truth. I'm not even coming for the guy that seriously. I am not threatening his family, his career etc. It's literally just about spirituality and making false claims,  i.e being a charlatan.

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@Tyler Robinson I would apologize and I would take responsibility for being a terrible teacher and misleading people.

I wouldn't gaslight the person or refuse to take responsibility or accountability for what happened. And I wouldn't lie about receiving money.

"... Destroy your reputation. Be notorious"- Rumi

I could give two fucks about my reputation if it came at the cost of the truth. I'm not even coming for the guy that seriously. I am not threatening his family, his career etc. It's literally just about spirituality and making false claims,  i.e being a charlatan.

I appreciate this and this is good. But not everyone works with your own code of conducting things. People have different perspectives. Depends on how they were raised, their trauma, their insecurities. 

Maybe they were treated very badly whenever they came out with the truth. It's always good to be sensitive to what factors might be inhibiting the other person from being or doing the highest good.. We can't judge them from our moral lense. And just because someone is at a lower level on the scale of morality(since morality is relative anyway), it does not always imply that they're a horrible person at heart. It could be a good person at heart not really aware of how they're screwing others. 

On the flip side, sometimes we think we are doing good by bringing attention to charlatans. There is a saying that goes - the road to hell is paved with good intentions. You might not be directly threatening his family or career. However constantly dragging him in the mud could potentially ruin his career for good. I mean it's like - he stole a few bucks from you and that's just money. But you could be stealing his whole life, his peace of mind, his reputation. Who is the bigger thief. Sometimes we hurt others 10000 times more than they hurt us, just to console our own moral righteousness. 

The path to true spirituality comes through non judgement and empathy. Growth in consciousness. By judging too harshly we create a wrong versus right society, we create division. We create a society of sinners versus good people. But in the eyes of God, every child is same. 

Hopefully you will develop that compassion for those who did wrong to you. 

With that said I finish here, have a good day. Cheers. 

 

 

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson Have  a good day too.

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson How do you know that what you're saying is true and that you are giving advice from a genuine place? 

What motivated you to comment?

[Tyler Robinson]

@Raptorsin7  I have been in a situation where my ex lied to me about his bisexuality. I asked him again and again about it. He was hiding it. He thought that if he told me about it, I would reject him. Back then I was a bit, you could say, not so comfortable with the idea of entertaining bisexuality. I probably would have rejected him. So our relationship ended and he later on admitted that he was bisexual which hurt me because I thought he should have let me know early on. That day I reflected on why he wasn't being open about the truth to me. I realized that he thought he was going to be judged or shamed. His idea was not to deceive me. He was only hiding because he was not too open about such things, he didn't know how I would react to it. Hindsight is always 20/20. I don't think that way anymore. Now I'm more open to the idea of bisexuality than before. My transformation to becoming a trans has helped me understand and explore the idea of transgenderism and homosexuality. 

A few weeks ago when I confided in a male colleague about my trans situation, he was very pissed. Next day he gave me a death threat and said that such people do not belong in society. That has caused me to not open up about my trans struggles to people around me. It becomes difficult to tell the whole truth when you're judged and shamed by those around you. In addition people get to call me a liar if I don't tell the whole truth. It's a tricky thing. 

What prompted me to comment is the statement you made - "I fucking hate dishonest people."

Not gonna lie but that statement hurt me very badly because I have been dishonest too in my life to people around me. But I only did so because I always feared their judgement and hate towards me.. Being truthful was probably a huge struggle for me ever since childhood. 

But I know deep down that I never had bad intentions. I was just addicted to lying and dishonesty and a lot of it has to do with the way I felt judged all the time. 

That prompted me to comment, I can see others struggling with truth just the way I do. 

If we all lived with more compassion and less judgement, maybe people would feel much better being truthful. 

Just my two cents. 

I'm also writing a journal on serial killers and Mass shooters and trying to understand why they kill people. 

At the end of the day, after a thorough contemplation on the nature of good and evil I have come to the following conclusion - 

All the evil we see in the world is the evil we ourselves create. 

It goes along the lines of another famous saying - 

Be the change you wish to see in the world. 

What I mean is - we blame all the evil on a person, on people who do wrong things. But it's the ultimate absence of love that gives birth to all this evil. People who do wrong things are mere scapegoats that we point our fingers to. Who are the mass shooters? Who are the narcissists? Who are the psychopaths? We might blame them endlessly. But that doesn't solve the problem. We give birth to them. We create them and we blame them. These people were raised by the same society that blames and shames them. We don't want to address their trauma, their concerns, their parenting, their upbringing but we just want to put them in jail and throw away the key, without addressing the issues at their root. I feel this is unjust and unfair. Evil is not an external force with puppet strings in the hands of the devil. Evil is right here within us and we cause it because we don't want to truly love each other. It creates separation. Separation creates a society of you versus them. Then a person no longer cares about you and scams you. We don't see the underlying connections. We only blame the person. 

There's a saying in the Bible - don't blame the sinner, blame the sin. 

So yeah, when we create a more compassionate society, we won't have charlatans, sociopaths, psychopaths and mass shooters. There won't exist a need for one person to do wrong to another because where there is empathy there is no greed, there is no bad intent. 

Just my contemplative thoughts on the subject of good and bad, good versus evil 

 

 

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson Yeah I can relate to judgments around gender and sexuality. I still hold the view that homosexuality is a perversion of the sexual drive.

I can see how judging and hating someone for that is counter productive and not wise, but at the same time part of me thinks if you were fully healthy and integrated you wouldn't be trans, gay, etc. The same way you wouldn't be a murder if you had healthy psychology.

I think when I heal my rage and anger I will have a more tolerant perspective of Nahm. I know my view is not pure, but I feel very betrayed by him and I feel justified. 

Thanks for being honest and sharing your opinion.

[RendHeaven]

9 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

I could give two fucks about my reputation if it came at the cost of the truth.

Not to put you on the spot but you do realize how bold of a statement this is?

Putting rep over truth is in some ways the definition of human. If you always adhered to the truth you would just die.

[Zeroguy]

Nahm's greed has no limits.

[Raptorsin7]

@RendHeaven You're arguing with Rumi. If you think you know better than him be my guest.

[Raptorsin7]

@Zeroguy Being in a relationship helped her grow a lot.

I didn't realize until the end of our conversation

[Loba]

3 hours ago, Zeroguy said:

Nahm's greed has no limits.

I think we're all a little greedy deep down inside.
If someone offered to donate to me 8k for spewing general spiritual knowledge, I'd fucking accept that shit.

Pay off some bills, you know?

 

[RendHeaven]

7 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@RendHeaven You're arguing with Rumi. If you think you know better than him be my guest.

No, I'm questioning your integrity as you copy-paste Rumi 🤷