Your Most Radical Viewpoints?

[LfcCharlie4]

Thought this could be an interesting thread, what is a 'radical' take you have (regarding society, economics & politics) that you think would actually work & benefit society? 

Mine is that individual Economic & Financial education in the modern day is far more beneficial than advocating for systemic change that will take decades, if not centuries. It will also benefit society more in the short term if the majority of citizens were financially literate. 

For example, take 2 18 year olds. 

One educates, starts a business, invests for 3 decades, becomes wealthy, offers great value to society & actually has resources to help at least on a local level& inspire some change. 

One dedicates their life to social change & activism for those 3 decades, has an average job & salary and doesn't have any real resources to make any kind of changes. 

This opinion arose from seeing endless politics & economic debates on Twitter, TikTok & even on here. 

I guess in a nutshell, it's also be the change you want to see. 

I'm not saying don't advocate for change etc, I'm just saying debating online everyday isn't going to get you that far & probs isn't going to make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. 

What's your 'radical' viewpoints? 

[LfcCharlie4]

My other I guess wouldn't be seen radical on here, but would be in most mainstream circles, is that we should strive for everyone to be able to have Clean water, food & shelter as the bare minimum, and if you fail / don't work, you shouldn't just be left to die / become homeless. 

The problem of course is how do you achieve that...

On the other hand though, I don't think their should be a cap on wealth, as long as we can meet everyone's basic needs, I don't think wealth should be capped, especially when you factor in that most wealth isn't simply hoarded in banks but invested in various sectors of the economy. 

[tsuki]

Probably, the most radical idea of mine in the context of this place is that ambition the single most destructive force in the entire universe.

It is impossible to spend your time wisely if you're preoccupied by creating things for the sake of looking good in front of others.

[Hello from Russia]

6 minutes ago, tsuki said:

Probably, the most radical idea of mine in the context of this place is that ambition the single most destructive force in the entire universe.

It is impossible to spend your time wisely if you're preoccupied by creating things for the sake of looking good in front of others.

Why do you think ambition is directly tied to wanting to look good?

[Rilles]

All food and shelter should be a human right, free for all, might be a possibility if robots do all the work in the future. The fact that we have to "earn" a living is really sad. Thats my radical viewpoint. 

And no, people wont become more lazy because of it, they will actually get inspired since they have more time to do what they want! We have a huge shadow of laziness in our society. Its okay when cats lays around but not humans.

Doesnt mean people cant work if they want to, for example, if you want a Ferrari or a better house you will have to work but you wont have to work just to survive! Big difference!

Imagine the decrease in crime if people had a meal everyday! Who sell cracks if not because of raw survival!

Edited January 28, 2021 by Rilles

[LfcCharlie4]

@tsuki hmm, I think that’s more a form of ambition than ambition itself, and there are much healthier forms. 
 

@Rilles Yeah man, although I more lean to the viewpoint of meeting basic survival needs to help people do their most meaningful work / passions, not sit around all day lmao. 
 

Not saying we shouldn’t have more leisure time etc, but If Covid lockdowns have shown me anything, it’s that having all the time in the world & no meaningful way to spend it for many (furlough has allowed this) isn’t ideal for most humans. 
 

Sure, some might want a life of leisure, but to me leisure is only enjoyable after working

[tsuki]

36 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

Why do you think ambition is directly tied to wanting to look good?

the word itself, its etymology

4 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

@tsuki hmm, I think that’s more a form of ambition than ambition itself, and there are much healthier forms. 

Yeah, go ahead, justify it.

Edited January 28, 2021 by tsuki

[LfcCharlie4]

@tsuki based on them definitions, I have nothing to argue. 
 

I guess the way I would phrase it is being quote on quote “Ambitious” to create your dream life in all aspects, the stuff @Nahm talks about, not just loving the life you live, but living the life of your wildest dreams because YOU want to, not so you can impress your mates. 
 

But, by the definitions you linked that isn’t ambition, so idk what you’d call it, creating your own reality, shooting for the stars? ?

[mandyjw]

@tsuki I don't think that the movement of pride/need to prove oneself out of feeling inadequate is inherent in ambition but the word certainly has those connotations. There's a pure kind of desire, dream or what you could call ambition that feels amazing and is universally beneficial. 

@LfcCharlie4 I believe that we should radically change school systems to foster kids interests and teach kids happiness and wellbeing. At first this would mean exposing kids to a wide variety of things. There should be more of a community effort with government systems possibly reimbursing people for doing apprenticeships with kids. Kids choose the subjects they study, the school accommodates. Basic math and readings skills are taught but it drops off to purely being by choice after a certain basic level is mastered. 

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by mandyjw

[LfcCharlie4]

Here’s a few more I thought of, that are radical to normal people but probably not here: 

No ideology or Ism is the ultimate solution to the worlds problems, Full socialists / communists see themselves as superior on content, but the structure is the same as capitalism & therefore limited. (Not to mention the negative beliefs any ideology creates) 

 

Re-Distributing wealth without proper education is about as useful as a chocolate teapot. If famous athletes & celebrities can waste 100s of Millions, you think the redistribution won’t just end back in the top 1%s hands naturally? 


Body acceptance should also become a movement about promoting healthy living & nutritional education. Nobody sane agrees with bullying & fat shaming, however, true acceptance is followed by responding to the situation appropriately & just accepting the growing levels of obesity is imo, far from the best response & is exactly what the real Devilish corporations want as it means people still continue to consume their poison. 
 

Acceptance followed by education & action would be a much more beneficial movement long term 
 

@mandyjw That should be common sense! I remember at 15/16 how many kids would’ve been so much better off learning trades & skilled Labour as they were never going to pursue academia or office jobs. All that happens is they rebel = bad behaviour & decreases the value of education for all, I couldn’t agree more with you! 
 

also, completely agree with your ambition point.

I mean ambition in the sense of wanting to create your dream business & career, wanting to live your best life, not earning quick money so you can buy a Rolex and show off, I guess you could say striving for true fulfilment in all areas? I dunno ambition is just a much easier word to use ?

[tsuki]

14 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

There's a pure kind of desire, dream or what you could call ambition that feels amazing and is universally beneficial. 

Why would you call it ambition, if it is a desire? Desire is internally derived, ambition is externally derived.

[Preety_India]

My most radical idea is that everyone should have equal wealth with little disparity and that people should not work for money but for passion. 

Also the other radical idea is that all companies causing harm to environment should be shut down until green Eco friendly solutions are found. 

The other idea is that the world population should be cut by half to 70% by whatever means possible. 

And the other radical idea is that people shouldn't need to do jobs to survive, survival aka food, shelter, meds and basic survival should be completely free to all. Nobody should have to work to survive. But they will work out of passion as a contribution to developing communities. 

The last idea all race war or racial differences be nullified and everyone considered equal with no geographical borders or country distinction or identity. All identity dissolved. 

 

[mandyjw]

1 hour ago, tsuki said:

Why would you call it ambition, if it is a desire? Desire is internally derived, ambition is externally derived.

Probably not, but people can learn how to purify their ambition by allowing it, if you don't allow ambition you risk that you also don't allow your desire or purpose. I don't think anyone gets it quite right at the beginning. The way I was raised the word ambition had neutral connotations, it could be positive or negative depending on how it's used. 

1 hour ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

@mandyjw That should be common sense! I remember at 15/16 how many kids would’ve been so much better off learning trades & skilled Labour as they were never going to pursue academia or office jobs. All that happens is they rebel = bad behaviour & decreases the value of education for all, I couldn’t agree more with you! 

That's another great point, I think around adolescence it really starts becoming evident that something is wrong. There needs to be some middle ground for kids between going totally rogue and sticking with a structure that isn't built to serve you. They need guidance that steers them to responsibly cultivating their passions and interests but not the rigid structure that we currently have. Also being told that after finishing highschool I needed to take another 4 years of learning what other people thought I should know and go into $80,000+ worth of debt to be credit or of value, did not sit right.  It does not foster the confidence kids need to be innovative. I don't really support the Bernie Sander's ideal of "let's pay off everyone's student debt!" because to me it's like putting a Disney Princess bandaid on a festering wound. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by mandyjw

[LfcCharlie4]

48 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

My most radical idea is that everyone should have equal wealth with little disparity and that people should not work for money but for passion. 

Also the other radical idea is that all companies causing harm to environment should be shut down until green Eco friendly solutions are found. 

The other idea is that the world population should be cut by half to 70% by whatever means possible. 

And the other radical idea is that people shouldn't need to do jobs to survive, survival aka food, shelter, meds and basic survival should be completely free to all. Nobody should have to work to survive. But they will work out of passion as a contribution to developing communities. 

The last idea all race war or racial differences be nullified and everyone considered equal with no geographical borders or country distinction or identity. All identity dissolved. 

 

Now these are radical! 

Personally I'm massively against Equality of Outcome. As a small example if I gave $10000 to 10 of my friends I can guarantee you would get 10 different outcomes, and those who were rich before will get rich again & those who were broke, will become broke again. Just look at Lottery winners. I do agree with working for passion, but I believe that happens when we achieve your 4th point. 

Agree with your last point in terms of ending all discrimination against identity, but disagree we should all become the same Blobs without identity, our uniqueness is what makes us human & we should express that imo. 

In terms of Population, I support @Leo Gura's ideas that we don't need to population reduction, more so, we need technological innovation & solutions to sustain the population we have. 

I see your point regarding the Environment, it just wouldn't be feasible in the real world, I feel a more sustainable approach would be slowly moving towards a greener economy. I also find it hilarious we're told to eat less meat, shower for 10 minutes less per week etc, all while HUGE corporations literally destroy the environment day by day. It's like Killing a fly, and leaving an untamed tiger alive in the same room. 

 

[Rilles]

56 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

And the other radical idea is that people shouldn't need to do jobs to survive, survival aka food, shelter, meds and basic survival should be completely free to all. Nobody should have to work to survive. But they will work out of passion as a contribution to developing communities.

Im glad Im not the only one who thinks this!

Im excited for how the world will look in a 100 years, even though I wont be here then.  Atleast not in this form...

[Preety_India]

Just now, Rilles said:

Im glad Im not the only one who thinks this!

Im excited for how the world will look in a 100 years, even though I wont be here then.  Atleast not in this form...

With the current population, the humanity can't make it a100 years. Impossible. 

We're way beyond the required population and its not in control. 

 

 

[tsuki]

1 hour ago, Preety_India said:

The other idea is that the world population should be cut by half to 70% by whatever means possible. 

Do you volunteer into the 70%?

Mass population reduction is coming if we don't do anything about global warming.

Edited January 28, 2021 by tsuki

[Preety_India]

Just now, tsuki said:

Do you volunteer?

Yep. Why not? Silly question. 

 

[Lyubov]

I think stage blue and orange will find my viewpoints radical but I really don't think so and to me many of their viewpoints seem draconian. Abolish capital punishment, socialized medicine, stimulus for working class and poor, subsidized higher education and expand education funding, cut military costs and unnecessary government spending that doesn't benefit the majority of people, much higher taxes for corporations and billionaires, close wall street loopholes and prioritize policing of insider manipulation and the markets, healthy food regulations to cut down on the amount of junk food on the market, decriminalize drugs, a complete reworking of the national budget to focus on education-health-development, expand public transport, etc. I realize much of this can't just be rammed through and won't even be fully fleshed out and implemented in my life time. Complex systems require complex solutions and public support. 

[Rilles]

8 minutes ago, tsuki said:

Do you volunteer into the 70%?

Mass population reduction is coming if we don't do anything about global warming.

Lol, were not gonna kill ourselves, just have less babies I guess.

@Preety_India Population growth has actually stabilized. Also, dont underestimate the ingenuity of human survival, were not going anywhere anytime soon.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Rilles