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Big Pharma is more Corrupt than you think

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What would you do if you owned a natural product that is known to cure cancer, but the FDA does everything in their power to keep the medicine from going mainstream?

As I grew up in south florida (I’m 20 now) my Uncle owns a company called Medical Research Products and sells Cantron. It is a antioxidant that has been sold and given away to over 20,000 people, and many Anecdotal evidence(more on that later) and testimonials of people say it has cured their cancer.

My mom worked with my Uncle and my father selling this, and I have drinken and taken the capsules when my mom told me to because it supposedly is good for general health and basically anytime I got sick, my mom would give me a spoonful of the liquid. Now that I’m older, i started to seriously investigate why this product is not mainstream if it is effective. I have asked this to my parents when I was little and they told me that it costs millions of dollars to get clinical studies done on supplements before it becomes an official drug.

If you type in Protocel, Cantron, Cancell, or Entelev into google, the most prominent results will be formal sites like Cancer Institute, saying a copy and pasted message of why the product is not viable, below are some links. 

 

https://siteman.wustl.edu/ncipdq/cdr0000446184/

https://highlakeshealthcare.com/patient-education/healthwise/?DOCHWID=ncicdr0000446184

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cancell-pdq

 

They basically say that the product is not viable because it’s based off of anecdotal evidence and testimonials, and the official tests done by the FDA showed it ineffective, but they never tested it on humans, just on a Petri dish. This products main ingredient is Quinones, which comes from grapes. Grapes are a cancer fighting food rich in antioxidants.

The FDA supposedly is really harsh on Natural Remedies in general, and a lot of these doctors, teachers, and pharmacist type people that I’ve met over the years tend to have a strong bias against them, while preferring chemotherapy and other mainstream treatments. Big Pharma companies were interested in this product at first, but after learning that they cannot patent it and there is no money to be made, they abandoned this product.

The book “Outsmart your Cancer” by Tanya Harter Pierce. Is free online and explains how far the FDA will go to suppress natural treatments to serious diseases like AIDS and Cancer, while promoting expensive treatment like chemo. I attach some of the pages in the book. I’m not sure what to think here, at first I just thought that this product will eventually have to become popular, but it never has. After learning that Big Pharma tends to be corrupt, I suspect the FDA might be oppressing 100’s or even thousands of supplements all around the country that offer new ways of treating illnesses. What do you think? Cantron is still being sold on amazon, despite it being illegal I guess, I’m not promoting the product, I just want to get to the bottom of this.

http://www.godnaturalcures.com/healthc/PDF 7 EBOOKS/Cancer , Outsart.pdf

 

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Some things I want to add, my Uncle Jerome didn’t make the product,  the original owner gave it away to 4 people, my uncle is one of them. He doesn’t have medical experience, but I have 2 other uncles that are both Pharmacists. I never talked tot them about this, but I assume that they can’t officially promote the product because that would be the end of their careers right?  

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Unfortunately Leo will say: Stop talking about conspiracy theories in this forum! For the love of God you're a devil!

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FDA != Big Pharma

The FDA has extremely rigorous standards which are difficult and expensive to clear.

Clearing all 3 phases of the FDA approval process usually costs tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. Obviously no natural supplement or herb will have enough research funding behind it to clear that bar.

It's not a conspiracy theory. The FDA is not some evil bad guy holding back natural remedies in order to make the big pharma more $$$. The FDA simply has a very high bar for what they are allowed to endorse because millions of lives depend on it. Just because some natural remedy worked for a few people does not at all mean that it would pass rigorous scientific testing.

If you really care to understand how FDA approval works, listen to Rick Doblin, he's an expert on this:

 


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@Leo Gura wake up dude, the system's *cough rigged *cough Leo....9_9

conspiracy theory is a stupid term given to ideas that threaten the status quo of the systems to function in favor of profit over health. Basically we have all been given the wrong blueprints to work with from the start, everything's ass backwards. Leaving the system is where the party begins ;)

 

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@DrewNows Sigh....

You have no clue how complex medicine is.

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's just you being naive and gullible.


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14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@DrewNows Sigh....

You have no clue how complex medicine is.

Why would you assume that? I know myself Leo, medicine comes second, unfortunately the systems of medicine were made too complex due to the misunderstanding of who and what we are. You know all about systems leo, you've created one here, so all i am saying is while we may need to use them, it doesn't mean we need to trust them, aka give our power away (close our means for expansion)

wise words of a breatharian: "the body is the gateway to the invisible" 

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8 hours ago, DrewNows said:

Why would you assume that? I know myself Leo, medicine comes second, unfortunately the systems of medicine were made too complex due to the misunderstanding of who and what we are. You know all about systems leo, you've created one here, so all i am saying is while we may need to use them, it doesn't mean we need to trust them, aka give our power away (close our means for expansion)

wise words of a breatharian: "the body is the gateway to the invisible" 

The arrogant western scientists say think that the heart is a pump that creats the blood flow lol. While in oriental medicine they say the heart is a battery and they are right. Like Tesla said everything is vibration, frequency and energy.

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16 hours ago, DrewNows said:

it doesn't mean we need to trust them

You are free to pursue whatever natural cancer cures you want on your own.

But you are not free to promote cancer cures which have not been rigorously tested by the FDA, as this can be very harmful in ways you cannot imagine.

If you can't see the wisdom in that, that's on you, not the government.

Government's job is to maintain basic standards of scientific rigor and to prevent quacks from selling you snake oil. Do you know how many bullshit cancer cures exist out there in the alternative medicine marketplace?


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On 7/23/2020 at 3:15 PM, Leo Gura said:

You are free to pursue whatever natural cancer cures you want on your own.

But you are not free to promote cancer cures which have not been rigorously tested by the FDA, as this can be very harmful in ways you cannot imagine.

If you can't see the wisdom in that, that's on you, not the government.

Government's job is to maintain basic standards of scientific rigor and to prevent quacks from selling you snake oil. Do you know how many bullshit cancer cures exist out there in the alternative medicine marketplace?

@Leo GuraSorry to hear the government is still rocking you to sleep. No, the government just wants you to think that. Just a glance at the health of our nation and you can see how the fda is trash.The United States is a corporation. Scientific rigor is a disguise and “quack” is a write off for people who have discovered truth unsupportive of status quo science. I don’t give a fuck how many bullshit cancer cures there are, chemo is the most bullshit of them all. I’ve spoken to people who cured cancer through natural hygienic methods (lifestyle changes), I’ve seen and would rather rely on testimonials and direct experience. But I also value answers, if you cannot get your answers, don’t stop until you do.

I speak this as someone who drinks his own urine and doesn’t have any health issues. In fact, I don’t have to rely on much food at all and I have so much energy sometimes, I don’t even know what to do with it. Western science does not know how our bodies work, so it’s wise not to rely on it to set limitations 

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@Scholar This is not the same drug. And I forgot to say that their is a group of people in Detroit that got so well from Protocel, that they are willingly spreading the word unpaid. 
All while FDA agents literally call in pretending to be normal customers and try to trick the owner to say if this product can cure anything, in which they will shut down the business, it’s predatory.

 

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On 8/5/2020 at 7:08 AM, datamonster said:

that's a contradiction right there

says mister I-robot xD 

"who do you, who do you, who do you think you are....hahaha, bless your soul...you really think you're in control?" :ph34r:

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@DrewNows Let me put this into perspective for you. You believe you're higher on the pyramid scheme than people with PHDs in medicine, who studied for years in university, because you watched a YouTube video or you saw a random article on the internet. You don’t know the scope of harm misinformation is doing to people. There are people trusting in “health gurus” who exploit vulnerable people to scams or harm in general E.g. Cancer patients trusting in herbal remedies instead of cancer treatments. 

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@DrewNows If you’re drinking your own urine, you haven’t studied the reasons why urine is excreted in the first place. Common sense would tell you it’s to excrete waste product. 

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FDA is very effective at protecting us from snake oil. Sometimes they ban legit products because they are not concsciouss enough. Also, there may be some corruption, as with everything. But not nearly as much as it seems from the conspirancy theory perspective.

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Hey @Red-White-Light I understand what you’re saying so I want to be clear and explain where I’m coming from...

I am my own scientist

I was just sharing some silly opinions that can be just as true as they are false. This is not about hierarchy, it’s about indoctrination, lack of perceptions & knowledge, research and direct experience. Doctors are not trained in nutrition, and cleansing the body is not valued in their line of work/agenda, or training. Western medicine and it’s science has over complicated the approach to healing and disregarded the natural, holistic solutions nature has to offer. I know this from direct experience and I’ve met countless individuals who changed their lives simply by changing their way of thinking.

I understand western medicine works for many, and people would rather be “safe” than sorry when it comes to making decisions about their own survival, but this does not mean it isn’t beneficial to consider other modalities offering answers and solutions more effective than the accepted corporate agenda based western medicine. Also I acknowledge there to be many benefits of the current systems or else they wouldn’t be around, but what I’m really saying is that these systems can be seen to hold humanity back from collective health abundance. These systems are merely a symptom of the materialist mindset, underdeveloped conscious awareness, therefore must be exposed for its negative consequences. 

An ego does not like to be exposed so it retaliates, and fights back, dismisses the unconventional or ways of thinking which are not normalized in society. 

You speak of common sense but I ask you who’s common sense? Yours or theirs? We are an ever-evolving life form that cannot be locked away in a box to pick apart as if potentiality and subjectivity does not exist. Spiritual potentiality does manifest into physical actuality. 

Please don’t pretend you know where I am coming from because you could not know that, you’re assuming a position I am sharing without exploring it yourself. Actions speak louder than words so get to researching other views to the extent you feel comfortable considering they may have merit in your life

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You’ve argued that doctors don’t know nutrition, that’s specifically because it’s the speciality of a nutritionist, a totally different field. And then you make an argument about changing thoughts, again that’s a different field, the field of phycology. It’s common advice from doctors to make healthy lifestyle changes and they also make recommendations to other health specialists, so your claim that doctors are not holistic is pure nonsense.

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@Red-White-Light Exactly, the systems are so divided they become corrupt, sending people in circles until they are willing to take responsibility for their own health. I am sharing my opinion as to why it’s no good, not arguing as you like to assume. The agendas are too limiting, it’s not conducive to healing. Check this out, ever heard of sound healing? Hogwash right? Or maybe it’s not 

 

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@DrewNows Your health is your own responsibility, you have the NHS website showcasing multiple sources of information on healthy living, how to take care or your wellbeing etc. Finding some YouTube video by a conspiracy YouTube channel is the least responsible way to take care of yourself. Just because it has a picture of Nikola Tesla doesn’t make it smart. You are forming an unhealthy worldview which is affecting your narrative line and when you follow that path, it’s going to physically manifest as a serious narrative lock and after that cement has dried, it’s just coping with the suffering of regret.

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