Leo Gura

Who's Interested In Conscious Politics?

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Re: Nazis election blog post

Trumps speak (I didnt watch everything) was interesting and of course devilry. But he didnt say over the top racist stuff. He seems to be entertaining and very confident. I can see how people want to root for him. He presents himself as if he does what he promises and gets the results he wants. Action action action. I know a lot of people were frustrated with the former president so they like him for a change. And his arguments seem logical on the surface. 

The video of Hitler didnt convey your point for me really. Of the things you listed only very few were in this (short) video.

demagoguery (maybe), collective self-deception, group think, cult psychology (maybe), ideology, egotism, devilry, ignorance, unconsciousness, selfishness, division, projection, scapegoating, demonization, judgment, denial, self-bias, confirmation bias, corruption, xenophobia, racism, and fear.

I dont know what self-bias is. You might meant self-serving bias. Which I wouldnt say was evident in here as well.

If you just wanted some random video of him then ok I get your point. But then you could've just as well put a picture.

Compared to Trump (joking, confident) Hitler seemed sad. Like he is in a very bad situation, mustering together his last motivation. Speaking to a broken nation.

In the end it is neither Trump nor Hitler who is to blame, just ego, nature and survival.

 

Looking forward to the new video!

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This is a much-needed topic to where I live (Israel/Palestine) if only people were open-minded enough though...

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8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Brace yourselves! 3hrs of Conscious Politics Part 2 is uploading... ;)

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This post was 8 hours ago. No video yet. Does it really take that long?


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1 hour ago, Extreme Z7 said:

Does it really take that long?

It takes much longer than that.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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9 hours ago, universe said:

Re: Nazis election blog post

Trumps speak (I didnt watch everything) was interesting and of course devilry. But he didnt say over the top racist stuff. He seems to be entertaining and very confident. I can see how people want to root for him. He presents himself as if he does what he promises and gets the results he wants. Action action action. I know a lot of people were frustrated with the former president so they like him for a change. And his arguments seem logical on the surface. 

The video of Hitler didnt convey your point for me really. Of the things you listed only very few were in this (short) video.

demagoguery (maybe), collective self-deception, group think, cult psychology (maybe), ideology, egotism, devilry, ignorance, unconsciousness, selfishness, division, projection, scapegoating, demonization, judgment, denial, self-bias, confirmation bias, corruption, xenophobia, racism, and fear.

I dont know what self-bias is. You might meant self-serving bias. Which I wouldnt say was evident in here as well.

If you just wanted some random video of him then ok I get your point. But then you could've just as well put a picture.

Compared to Trump (joking, confident) Hitler seemed sad. Like he is in a very bad situation, mustering together his last motivation. Speaking to a broken nation.

In the end it is neither Trump nor Hitler who is to blame, just ego, nature and survival.

 

Looking forward to the new video!

This is a very good book about Hitler. It's about Hitler during World War I in his younger days. 

People don't understand that Hitler wasn't always the angry shaky old man from 40-45.

Hitler was a lot of things. But he wasn't a coward or incapable soldier. He was very let's get things done balls to the wall. 

 

 

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What is the difference between lobbying and bribery? It seems the same to me.

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41 minutes ago, andyjohnsonman said:

What is the difference between lobbying and bribery? It seems the same to me.

That is a big problem.

Although it is possible to lobby without paying money or using other corrupt ways.

You can't really stop groups from lobbying government. That's part of democracy. But they should not be able to influence using money or other gifts.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But they should not be able to influence using money or other gifts.

As far as I know they aren't. For example, as part of the compliance regulations of my company I cannot accept or give gifts that are worth more than 25€ just like that. I think this is a EU-wide anti-trust regulation so it applies to all companies' lobbyists also. Don't know about the US though...


Hard times create strong men. 
Strong men create good times. 
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.

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@Shiva Firstly, European regulations seem to be stronger than US regulations.

Secondly, the lobbyist corruption problem is enormous and sneaky in the US. Corporations give millions of dollars of donations to influence elections and policies. It is legalized bribery via corporate PACs, fundraisers, think tanks, donations, gifts, lunches, dinners, golf, etc, etc.

And it does not stop there. Corporate lobbyists actually get hired into government and when they leave government they go right back into the corporation and consult them on all the best ways to lobby government. It's the revolving door. Right now Trump has appointed the biggest lobbyists to head the regulating agencies like the Department of Education, the EPA, the FCC, etc. Their goal is specifically to dismantle regulations on their industries.

Ajit Pai, the guy who killed net neutrality was Verizon's biggest lobbyist against net neutrality. Now he runs the FCC. It's absurd. The biggest oil company lobbyist now runs the EPA.


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@Revolutionary Think

I don’t know why you have chosen Revolutionary Think as your pseudo, apparently for mysterious reasons because you do not seem to know a lot about political revolutions around the world but anyway ...

I would like you to understand that the branch of libertarianism you are describing is a very isolated one ( exists mainly/ only in the U.S ) and is pretty much completely cut off from its roots... The only theory they have heard about is the one from Stirner I guess ( if they have ever read/heard about anything) so basically you are trying to prove libertarianism is stupid whereas you know nothing about it, nothing about the Libertopias that have existed and exist in the world nothing about anarchy history theories and thinkers ... You say libertarians do no want taxes or government but this is very wrong most of them want to choose how they are taxed and what are the taxes used for this is very different in case you do not notice ... They want a government as well, they just want to have a great control/ power over it to avoid bribery corruption and so on ... 

Don’t you think that instead of despising those poor deluded libertarians you’d better learn about it yourself and prove them libertarianism in the world is very different from what they think/you think it is  ? I am  sure you would be very surprised ... It doesn’t look like more of a religion/a sectarian ideology than capitalism or communism, for sure, you are the ignorant one here...On the contrary libertarians theories are very open and workable  that is one of the reasons why you have the most deluded crazy libertarians in your country ... That and the result of intense brainwashing about communism and socialism and absolutely no knowledge of political history in Europe is how  your delusional crazy American libertarians have been created...What you have written has nothing to do with true libertarianism at least you should know that ...

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

And it does not stop there. Corporate lobbyists actually get hired into government and when they leave government they go right back into the corporation and consult them on all the best ways to lobby government. It's the revolving door. Right now Trump has appointed the biggest lobbyists to head the regulating agencies like the Department of Education, the EPA, the FCC, etc. Their goal is specifically to dismantle regulations on their industries.

Ajit Pai, the guy who killed net neutrality was Verizon's biggest lobbyist against net neutrality. Now he runs the FCC. It's absurd. The biggest oil company lobbyist now runs the EPA.

That's called regulatory capture by professional takers, as opposed to product makers. I expect it to happen eventually.

Competition keeps large entities in check. Competition between governments. Competition between corporations. Competition between old industry and new industry.

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@Leo Gura I think this may be a good example of the dynamics you describe. 

Below is a clip from a senate confirmation hearing of a Raytheon defense contractor lobbyist for the position of secretary of defense. Elizabeth Warren described how the current structure allows for potential conflicts of interest since a loophole would allow the secretary to personally engage with Raytheon while secretary of defense. Warren asks if the potential secretary would be willing to distance himself from Raytheon defense contracting for a period of time related to his position as a defense secretary (as other secretaries have been contractually  required to do).

To me, the basic essence came across as  impersonal principles of ethics and conflict of interest.  Yet the republicans in the hearing were strongly reactionary and personalized it - saying that this nominee is a man of integrity and that Warren is rude by calling him dishonest. The chairman even apologized for the terrible treatment he received from Warren.

To me, this seems like a collective ego at play and this type of personification can be a distraction from the underlying issue that we need structural frameworks to discourage conflict of interest. Erosion of that framework allows for corruption and dysfunctional government.

 

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8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't really stop groups from lobbying government. That's part of democracy. But they should not be able to influence using money or other gifts.

Because it aids their survival and most people are always biased towards that yeah?

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@Revolutionary Think

oh well yes it explains it very well thank you ... it is even worse than what I thought ... Big corporates  stole our word and turned it into the opposite concept basically ... So that American would be too  confused to ever be able to know/understand its true meaning ... Thank you  I understand now, I kind of knew there must have been some brainwashing going on there, but the true history of American libertarianism is even worse than what I thought it was ... Big corporate are monsters ... 

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1 hour ago, Emeline said:

Big corporate are monsters ... 

Careful. If only life were so simple.

Corporations are necessary, a vital part of society, and they feed you many benefits and goods.

The issue is one of right balance, not a blanket demonization of corporations. Corporations evolve in their level of development and consciousness just like humans.

There are Red corporations, Blue, Orange, Green, Yellow, etc.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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