Posted June 23, 2019 @winterknight OK thanks, so if I were to get enlightened I would know for sure? There would be no doubt that what I am experiencing is THAT, which everyone keeps talking about, and not something else? Also, what is the difference between Enlightenment and a heightened state of consciousness? And one more, what is the difference between Enlightenment and awakening? I am myself, heaven and hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Commodent said: @winterknight OK thanks, so if I were to get enlightened I would know for sure? I would rather say that upon enlightenment this question would no longer make any sense. Quote There would be no doubt that what I am experiencing is THAT, which everyone keeps talking about, and not something else? There is what is beyond doubt. Not the absence of doubt: beyond doubt. Quote Also, what is the difference between Enlightenment and a heightened state of consciousness? And one more, what is the difference between Enlightenment and awakening? States come and go; enlightenment is forever. Not just forever from now -- forever as in always was the case. Enlightenment and awakening are similar terms -- what they exactly mean vis-à-vis each other depends on who uses them and in what context. Edited June 23, 2019 by winterknight Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, winterknight said: Who is this "I" who comprehends all this stuff now? There is no who.... "I" is God. There is only God. Edited June 23, 2019 by Bauer1977 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Bauer1977 said: "I" is God. What is God? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, winterknight said: What is God? God is awareness. Edited June 23, 2019 by Bauer1977 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bauer1977 said: God is awareness. And who is aware of that fact? Edited June 23, 2019 by winterknight Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, winterknight said: And who is aware of that fact? There is no who, there is only God. God is aware of God. The idea of a who is the illusion. Edited June 23, 2019 by Bauer1977 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bauer1977 said: There is no who, there is only God. God is aware of God. So God is aware of God, or awareness is aware of awareness, with no who. And this same awareness is what has "been doing nothing for several months now" (so it was doing something before?) and "finally comprehends the concept that Ron as the experiencer will do whatever it is that Ron feels he must do," (again, so God didn't comprehend this before?) and so on? Edited June 23, 2019 by winterknight Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, winterknight said: So God is aware of God, or awareness is aware of awareness, with no who. And this same awareness is what has "been doing nothing for several months now" (so it was doing something before?) and "finally comprehends the concept that Ron as the experiencer will do whatever it is that Ron feels he must do," (again, so God didn't comprehend this before?) and so on? That's the illusion. Ron had ego, and Ron felt like a separate entity, therefore Ron felt like he had to do something, and was doing something. Although he never really was a separate entity and was never really doing anything. It was, is and has always been God. The truth has been revealed, there is only God. Edited June 24, 2019 by Bauer1977 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bauer1977 said: That's the illusion. Ron had ego, and Ron felt like a separate entity, therefore Ron felt like he had to do something, and was doing something. Although he never really was a separate entity and was never really doing anything. It was, is and has always been God. The truth has been revealed, there is only God. And how is life now? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, winterknight said: And how is life now? More Peaceful.... it is being viewed from a different perspective, and it seems to have become more interesting as a result. It's hard to explain actually, it just is. And what is, is interesting. Edited June 24, 2019 by Bauer1977 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, Bauer1977 said: More Peaceful.... it is being viewed from a different perspective, and it seems to have become more interesting as a result. It's hard to explain actually, it just is. Hrm... so when you asked earlier "I feel I have arrived, what do you think?" Who is the "I" in that sentence who feels they have arrived? God/awareness? The illusion of being Ron? Or what? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, winterknight said: Hrm... so when you asked earlier "I feel I have arrived, what do you think?" Who is the "I" in that sentence who feels they have arrived? God/awareness? The illusion of being Ron? Or what? It's God... it still feels like Ron on some level as well. But it's God. Edited June 24, 2019 by Bauer1977 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bauer1977 said: It's God... it still feels like Ron on some level as well. But it's God. So that God which is just awareness aware of itself, and which is not a "who," is what is wondering whether it has arrived? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, winterknight said: So that God which is just awareness aware of itself, and which is not a "who," is what is wondering whether it has arrived? Yes..... who is asking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bauer1977 said: Yes..... who is asking? Good question. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 4 hours ago, winterknight said: Good question. Did you become enlightened as well from the counter self inquiry question? ? ''Not this... Not this... PLEASE...Not this...'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 @winterknight Thanks, so enlightenment is not something you can lose touch with once you have "seen" it? Even brain damage wouldn't change that? Also, how does enlightenment differ from disidentification from the ego? And one more, looking at an object and "merging" with it, so that there is no separation between you and the object, is that ego death or simply a deep form of presence? I know these are lots of questions but they're questions I've had in the back of my mind for quite some time. Thank you for your patience. I am myself, heaven and hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 If materialism is just wrong, why are enlightened masters never able to break laws of physics? They could hallucinate breaking them, but someone operating in materialism can do it objectively, where other people can see it too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2019 2 hours ago, tenta said: If materialism is just wrong, why are enlightened masters never able to break laws of physics? They could hallucinate breaking them, but someone operating in materialism can do it objectively, where other people can see it too That's not true. There are countless number of records of Yogis doing occult practices which could seem like breaking physics laws as known by the everyone. One such record is of Yogis bringing dead people back to life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
