Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Serotoninluv said: I'd like to get clearer on the context of these terms. Would you say that there is one awareness / consciousness of everything / nothing? That a mind, rock, tree etc. are in a sense all within that one awareness / consciousness? Or is there a distinction between the awareness / consciousness of a rock and that of a human? All the categories -- mind, rock, tree, awareness, consciousness -- are illusory. In reality there are no categories and no one to talk about them and figure them out. 45 minutes ago, Karas said: What do you think of this quote It's true from a certain perspective. I'd rather only answer questions that relate to your search, though. Does this relate to your search, and if so, how? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, winterknight said: All the categories -- mind, rock, tree, awareness, consciousness -- are illusory. In reality there are no categories and no one to talk about them and figure them out. When you say “categories” are illusory, do you mean the conceptual categorization of things is illusory or that all things are illusory? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said: When you say “categories” are illusory, do you mean the conceptual categorization of things is illusory or that all things are illusory? Well, the second follows from the first, really, "things" being a category. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, winterknight said: Well, the second follows from the first, really, "things" being a category. I’m just trying to understand the context of how you are using the terms consciousness / awareness so I can follow this thread. Wether it’s real or not. . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Serotoninluv said: Ok. When the illusory you says the illusory consciousness / awareness words in this illusory thread is the illusory you referring to an illusory One which includes all illusory things? Or, is there an illusory distinction such that an illusory rock has an illusory different type of illusory consciousness than an illusory human? I’m just trying to understand the context of how you are using the terms so I can follow this thread. Wether it’s real or not. . . When I say a "human is conscious" I mean subject-object consciousness. If I use a capitalized word like Consciousness, I mean something which is beyond subject-object consciousness. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, winterknight said: When I say a "human is conscious" I mean subject-object consciousness. If I use a capitalized word like Consciousness, I mean something which is beyond subject-object consciousness. Thank you. I understand better now ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 "Illusion", "reality", "existence", "God" are themselves categories. It all collapses into Absolute Oneness. Within this Oneness nothing can be distinguished. It is pure undifferentiation. It contains all things. Like how white light contains all possible colors of light. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 @winterknightI am curious why truth realization is so rare Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 @Leo Gura @winterknight Please do a dual commentary on a topic http://www.musicforeverysoul.com/listofpositivehighervibrationswords.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Karas said: @winterknightI am curious why truth realization is so rare When you realize truth yourself, you will see it is the commonest thing, that indeed there is no one who is not truth realized . Edited December 5, 2018 by winterknight Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: "Illusorion", "reality", "existence", "God" are themselves categories. It all collapses into Absolute Oneness. Within this Oneness nothing can be distinguished. It is pure undifferentiation. It contains all things. Like how white light contains all possible colors of light. I keep ending up at this One Everything Nothing Infinity. And there are always lots of Ox tracks around the area. . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 @winterknightAre we all ignoring and pretending to not know the truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Karas said: @winterknightAre we all ignoring and pretending to not know the truth Have you asked yourself who is asking these questions? Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Serotoninluv said: I keep ending up at this One Everything Nothing Infinity. And there are always lots of Ox tracks around the area. . . Lol, that is the ox. And you are it. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 @winterknight What is the distinction between impossibility and potentiality? Like, the notion of a 'square circle'. Is it potential in the Unmanifested Absolute, or is it just flat out impossible? or is it just contradiction of arbitrary terms? ''Not this... Not this... PLEASE...Not this...'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, Preetom said: @winterknight What is the distinction between impossibility and potentiality? Like, the notion of a 'square circle'. Is it potential in the Unmanifested Absolute, or is it just flat out impossible? or is it just contradiction of arbitrary terms? It's a contradiction of arbitrary terms. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, winterknight said: It's a contradiction of arbitrary terms. So this contradiction and limitation belongs to language; not to the Absolute Reality, right? ''Not this... Not this... PLEASE...Not this...'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Preetom said: So this contradiction and limitation belongs to language; not to the Absolute Reality, right? From the standpoint of the absolute reality, contradiction, limitation, and language all are non-existent. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) OK, progress I think.... While contemplating the question "who am I?".... I eventually realized that I was lost in the pictures and visions within the mind, and I was not going to find the answer in the mind. Then it was like watching a blob of ooze floating away which I considered to be the mind. It was at that point in the darkness that I realized that "I" was always looking outwards. Therefore my search was always outward, which meant that what I really wanted to find (the source) was impossible to examine. The source of the light that has been shining on all the other images and bringing them into the field of awareness is the "I". And its impossible to shine the light of awareness back onto its own source. It answers the question you gave me that needed a no answer, with a no..... Am I aware of it? To be aware of it is actually impossible. I can only ever have a sense of it. It's an entity that exists behind everything else. And as I understand things, that is the Self. I feel like this is progress, but now what? I feel like there is more work to do. I remember you said it was very unexciting, but it was so uneventful I feel like there has to be more, I sort of expected to have a spiritual experience or some sort of release of energy.... but there was literally no reaction within me. What are your thoughts? Edited December 5, 2018 by Bauer1977 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bauer1977 said: OK, progress I think.... While contemplating the question "who am I?".... I eventually realized that I was lost in the pictures and visions within the mind, and I was not going to find the answer in the mind. Then it was like watching a blob of ooze floating away which I considered to be the mind. It was at that point in the darkness that I realized that "I" was always looking outwards. Therefore my search was always outward, which meant that what I really wanted to find (the source) was impossible to examine. The source of the light that has been shining on all the other images and bringing them into the field of awareness is the "I". And its impossible to shine the light of awareness back onto its own source. It answers the question you gave me that needed a no answer, with a no..... Am I aware of it? To be aware of it is actually impossible. I can only ever have a sense of it. It's an entity that exists behind everything else. And as I understand things, that is the Self. I feel like this is progress, but now what? I feel like there is more work to do. I remember you said it was very unexciting, but it was so uneventful I feel like there has to be more, I sort of expected to have a spiritual experience or some sort of release of energy.... but there was literally no reaction within me. What are your thoughts? Yes this is progress. Good for you. Your work has only just begun with this understanding. So now, next step, hold to that "sense." Meaning keep it in attention at all times, waking and night. Sense that sense constantly. Edited December 5, 2018 by winterknight Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites