Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread

[Raphael]

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 25/06/2023 at 10:56 PM, Spiritual Warrior said:

Gen Zers may be destroying our attention spans with their tiktoks, but we have to admit that they do a great job of embodying stage green qualities. 

Some green characteristics that the show highlights:

• The "bachelorette" is pansexual, which means that she isn't attracted to a specific gender. This highlights openness, acceptance, and equality
• Men are not afraid to be feminine
• Contestants are loving, empathetic and intimate (lots of good eye contact)
• Everyone in the house gets along, there is a communal, heart-centered vibe
• The "bachelorette" says that she's spiritual but not religious
• Contests are teamwork driven (contrast this to the ABC show "The Bachelor," where all of the contests are every man for themselves)
• Lots of hugs and warm interactions
• Communication channels are strong, lots of bonding between contestants. People are checking in with each other, seeing how they feel, expressing emotions
• Diverse group of contestants

These are generalizations of course, there are flashes of other stages, not everyone has integrated stage green. 

 

[Raze]

 

[gambler]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

 

 

this is the dumbest shit i've read all week 

[Leo Gura]

Why isn't murdering the therapist an option?

Real men think outside the box!

Edited July 1, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

 

[numbersinarow]

On 7/1/2024 at 2:33 AM, gambler said:

this is the dumbest shit i've read all week 

There was literally a post here saying "Men aren't people."

Green is literally just blue but being supremacist towards other kinds of disadvantaged groups according to... well presumably it's the same guy who posted both posts.

May as well literally copy paste nazi rhetoric and put "white" instead of the minorities they hated, then call it peak green.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, numbersinarow said:

There was literally a post here saying "Men aren't people."

Green is literally just blue but being supremacist towards other kinds of disadvantaged groups according to... well presumably it's the same guy who posted both posts.

May as well literally copy paste nazi rhetoric and put "white" instead of the minorities they hated, then call it peak green.

Be careful taking some fringe extremist college radical's slogan and making that your understanding of Green.

You can always find nutcases in any group or category of people. The nutcases do not represent the norm and should mostly be ignored.

Don't forget to be charitable to each stage by looking at their best rather than their worst.

Edited July 2, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

 

 

[numbersinarow]

On 7/2/2024 at 0:50 PM, Leo Gura said:

Be careful taking some fringe extremist college radical's slogan and making that your understanding of Green.

You can always find nutcases in any group or category of people. The nutcases do not represent the norm and should mostly be ignored.

Don't forget to be charitable to each stage by looking at their best rather than their worst.

I am saying it's that way according to Raze. I myself think that no supremacist is green.

[Raze]

 

[Danioover9000]

   This is the shadow that most stage green is blind to when they romanticize native tribes:

 

[numbersinarow]

Ken Levine's twitter likes. Twitter made likes private by default as of recently, but you could see him liking brianna wu tweets calling out unreasonable stances on the left and him liking support for Israel. A clear example of healthy green opposing anti-semitism, supremacist attitudes and people who let the mainstream tell them to single out a country to boycott.

[Raze]

11 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

Ken Levine's twitter likes. Twitter made likes private by default as of recently, but you could see him liking brianna wu tweets calling out unreasonable stances on the left and him liking support for Israel. A clear example of healthy green opposing anti-semitism, supremacist attitudes and people who let the mainstream tell them to single out a country to boycott.

Stage green support for Israel is generally bad faith hypocrisy or toxic stage blue shadow, see destiny:

[numbersinarow]

14 hours ago, Raze said:

Stage green support for Israel is generally bad faith hypocrisy or toxic stage blue shadow, see destiny:

 

 

Sure there are contradictions he makes but it pales in comparison to

1. Repressing one aspect of blue so much that you think it's better to support people who are diametrically opposed to your worldview AKA islamists than to support an oppressed minority taking back it's land. (Clarification: they're repressing the idea of a group's land-ownership and then it expresses itself through a double standard against Israel).

2. Being anti-semitic.

[numbersinarow]

14 hours ago, numbersinarow said:

Ken Levine's twitter likes. Twitter made likes private by default as of recently, but you could see him liking brianna wu tweets calling out unreasonable stances on the left and him liking support for Israel. A clear example of healthy green opposing anti-semitism, supremacist attitudes and people who let the mainstream tell them to single out a country to boycott.

And I forgot the most important part which is actually going in with the attitude of caring about the victims of oct 7th.

[Raze]

6 hours ago, numbersinarow said:

Sure there are contradictions he makes but it pales in comparison to

1. Repressing one aspect of blue so much that you think it's better to support people who are diametrically opposed to your worldview AKA islamists than to support an oppressed minority taking back it's land. (Clarification: they're repressing the idea of a group's land-ownership and then it expresses itself through a double standard against Israel).

2. Being anti-semitic.

 Needing your support to be based on them having the same values as you is a lower stage behavior, a hallmark of healthy stage green is beginning to appreciate other perspectives such as affinity for indigenous The idea Israelis are taking back their land is based on the Bible and such religious reasoning is lower than stage green. 

[numbersinarow]

51 minutes ago, Raze said:

 Needing your support to be based on them having the same values as you is a lower stage behavior, a hallmark of healthy stage green is beginning to appreciate other perspectives such as affinity for indigenous

Green wouldn't support nazis. It's fine to support people who are less developed if you're being honest about it, but not if you're denying that destiny is right about Israel being the only party contending with the reality of the situation, and that it's dealing with people who think it's right to murder people who don't believe in their holy book.

53 minutes ago, Raze said:

The idea Israelis are taking back their land is based on the Bible and such religious reasoning is lower than stage green. 

It's simply an oppressed minority going where it was driven off from by others using pure force, and oppressed by people using pure force. Focusing only on Israel's use of force is more stage blue (because it is based in american exceptionalism), than the textbook blue misandry you post.

[Raze]

57 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

Green wouldn't support nazis. It's fine to support people who are less developed if you're being honest about it, but not if you're denying that destiny is right about Israel being the only party contending with the reality of the situation, and that it's dealing with people who think it's right to murder people who don't believe in their holy book.

It's simply an oppressed minority going where it was driven off from by others using pure force, and oppressed by people using pure force. Focusing only on Israel's use of force is more stage blue (because it is based in american exceptionalism), than the textbook blue misandry you post.

Yes Green usually is biased with the oppressed, which is why they are biased for Palestinians. Whereas stage blue and orange side with Israel for religious or industrial reasons, stage green generally sides with Palestine because they don’t support Israeli oppression of them. 

Stage green support for Palestine is not support for killing infidels, that isn’t even particularly relevant as Hamas isn’t motivated by that either despite their Islamist beliefs. The founder of Hamas himself said they aren’t targeting Jews for being Jewish and Gaza has a population of Christians Hamas hasn’t sought to destroy. Also you’re making the mistake of conflating stage green support for Palestine with support for Hamas.

Stage green would never agree that Israelis are oppressed and “retaking their homeland”, it hadn’t been a Jewish homeland in thousands of years and Stage green generally doesn’t support nationalism. Israel has a much larger military and international support and control the situation with the blockade and occupation, by definition not being oppressed. The Palestinians were driven off their homeland they lived on for centuries, so stage green views them as indigenous.

If you want to continue this we should talk in the Israel Palestine news thread where everyone else is discussing, it is getting off topic here. 

Edited July 11, 2024 by Raze

[numbersinarow]

21 minutes ago, Raze said:

Yes Green usually is biased with the oppressed, which is why they are biased for Palestinians

A minority that is considered unqualified to defend itself based on how it was born against a terrorist attack that is way worse than 9/11 and is hated by the UN is not oppressed?

23 minutes ago, Raze said:

Gaza has a population of Christians Hamas hasn’t sought to destroy.

Of course, Hamas has the option to push the buttons of the mainstream. If they think they're going to heaven anyway why not use the economical way of going to heaven that not only gets you to it, but also harms Israel. So, there is no doubting that they would want both benefits rather than just one, so they will choose to die in a fight against Israel and not kill the minority Christian population which would make them look far worse.

25 minutes ago, Raze said:

Also you’re making the mistake of conflating stage green support for Palestine with support for Hamas.

If they don't want Hamas to get destroyed, that's as relevant of a thing to talk about as any.

26 minutes ago, Raze said:

Stage green would never agree that Israelis are oppressed and “retaking their homeland”, it hadn’t been a Jewish homeland in thousands of years and Stage green generally doesn’t support nationalism. Israel has a much larger military and international support and control the situation with the blockade and occupation, by definition not being oppressed. The Palestinians were driven off their homeland they lived on for centuries, so stage green views them as indigenous.

If you want to continue this we should talk in the Israel Palestine news thread where everyone else is discussing, it is getting off topic here. 

0.2% of the global population and chased out of Europe by means of literal genocide... simply not good enough, because the mainstream conditions people to think that way.

+ I'm not talking about "Israelis are superior so they get to take the homeland that is objectively theirs." no, I'm talking about moral relativism.

Of course the people in the open air concentration camp are oppressed too.

But the second you look at actual green and not the mainstream, you see support for the downtrodden victims and indirect victims of oct 7th. not "This terrorist organization should just be let go, even tho the reason I believe that is because of the mainstream, which would also be supporting this 200% if the united states was directly fighting the war."