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9 hours ago, Pernani said:

If you mean making the tip of the tongue reach the nose region then no, actually I think im just reaching phase 3 (from JC's book) so I haven't really achieved khechari yet

Im tired of being recommended that video hahaha it did help me a little though, especially with medulla but not sacral chakra. 

So how do u guys visualize sushumna?

So the most difficult part is not getting the tongue into the nasal cavity but then to get it all the way up?

about sushumna. I never really thought about that, I just do it the way it feels right. Perhaps I am doing it wrong but I never really visualized it. I rather tried to feel my way up. And now I slightly can feel the energy down there (from the 4th chakra on I can feel the energy much more strongly). so I just try to guide it up. I guess it would naturally go up through the sushumna as it is made to transport the prana. But I am probably just too sloppy, that's why I do it according to Gamana. Perhaps another one following Stevens can help you more 

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I just posted a retreat report and bolded the part about kriya yoga, which I would like someone to go read and explain to me within the context of yoga, I haven't heard anything about what I experienced with yoga.

 

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I am a total beginner to Kriya Yoga and want ro start which of the two books on the booklist would you recommend me for the beginning? The first or the second? (Dont want to mention the titles)

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if you're a total begginer start with the one that has this description on his list: "This book teaches you the secretive techniques of Kriya yoga"

 

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ive been on the kriya yoga practice for around 14 months now. My routine is:

3xmaha mudra

1x kriya supreme fire

72x pranayama 

5min concentration

I dont know why, but my concentration has gone real bad. I fall into the monkeymind alot. Any suggestions for what to do about it? Maybe practice concentration by looking at an object for a long time? Ive also noticed that my short term memory has gone crazy bad. I have to list everything im gonna do for the day or Ill forget it. Even before I go into a store I can forget what one thing I was going to buy, i go completely blank. 

Maybe I just have alot on my mind right now but Ive noticed these things anyway. The kriya practice has not been what it once was were I could go real deep.

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@Paan

There is an awareness technique for memory. Set a particular time in the night and remember the entire day's activities either top down or from night till morning.

Either of them should help with the memory gradually but the latter will help you remember your dreams better too. Increasing your awareness also increases quality of consciousness.

All the best!


Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.

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@Paan

Also 5 mins is bad. Maybe you can try one of the guided meditation to settle your mind first and then do kriya? Hope this helps.


Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.

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Is the breathless state a state where one is actually not breathing or just a state where one is so mindful and the breathing is so mellow that one doesn't feel it and all one is left with is pure consciousness?


Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.

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Has anyone here had an enlightenment experience through self learned kriya yoga?

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On 7/3/2019 at 5:35 AM, Pacific Sage said:

Is the breathless state a state where one is actually not breathing or just a state where one is so mindful and the breathing is so mellow that one doesn't feel it and all one is left with is pure consciousness?

Strictly speaking, in the breathless state you are not breathing. Lahiri's Kriya concerns this, in the context of stilling prana. Breath suspension is not that strange to a meditator. Sooner or later you'll breathe again as your body requires.

Up to that point breathing could be so soft that you don't notice it; if you stopped to try to think about whether your breathing was shallow, or was completely still, I think that would be a waste of time and would take you out of the meditative state.

Pure consciousness is consciousness without an object. You wouldn't feel breathing during that state because you don't feel anything in particular, you are simply being. It isn't until you come out of that state that you notice and feel things.

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1 hour ago, kerk said:


Pure consciousness is consciousness without an object. You wouldn't feel breathing during that state because you don't feel anything in particular, you are simply being. It isn't until you come out of that state that you notice and feel things.

This sounds amazing!! Thank you!


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The word kumbhak is used to describe this breath suspension, but it should not be confused with intentionally holding the breath. When mental activity reduces, so breathing naturally reduces.

During Kriya, as your attention gets more interiorized in the spine and the gaps between thoughts get longer, you may notice you are breathing very little, or you may realize that you don't really know whether you are inhaling or exhaling. This phenomenon is not limited to Kriya and can be experienced in other kinds of meditation too. In Kriya, as I understand it, this indicates correct stilling of prana.

The important thing is to not worry about it even though the sensation may seem strange at first. Am I not breathing? Is something wrong? Don't panic. If you were really not getting enough air to sustain life your body would let you know big time.

You might experience a kind of spinning sensation, but not dizziness or fainting. You might even forget which direction you are facing. In my fairly long experience, the spinning is safe and kind of fun if you let go into it. It has never indicated a hazard. Taking a deep breath at that point can actually rev up the spinning.

On another possibly related point: If you are ever in an aircraft that develops a pressurization problem, and the oxygen masks pop out, of course you need to put them on fast (over nose and mouth, not just nose) and the plane will need to descend very quickly to a lower altitude with greater air pressure.

The masks are not connected to tanks but to chemical generators. There's only supposed to be as much as 15 minutes of oxygen supplied to those masks; enough to keep everyone alive during the descent. You can reduce your need for oxygen by remaining very still and quiet as you have learned with meditation. Though that may be hard to keep one's composure if the aircraft has a problem and is diving fast.

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On 6/18/2019 at 1:43 PM, herghly said:

@moon777light What do you think of his new book?

 

I feel it's getting to complicated. I prefer simple KP.  One of the grounding exercises he teaches is too complex. You need to remember to do too many things at once

are you talking about SantataGamana one? i havent read it. If it is, then i find it ironic that he bashed the other Kriya books for being too complex and yet here we are haha

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On 6/7/2019 at 4:29 PM, moon777light said:

are you talking about SantataGamana one? i havent read it. If it is, then i find it ironic that he bashed the other Kriya books for being too complex and yet here we are haha

I have only read that one. The problem about it is that so much simplicity makes it super hard to understand. It assumes that you already know a lot of things, and doesn't explain them at all. Several spots, concepts, movements, etc. are just called by their name and assumed you know what is being referred to.

That book does not work for a total newbie. I felt completely lost after finishing it, didn't know where to start, and had to step back and find more basic material. All of this doesn't mean that the book isn't good, it is great, just consider it advanced.


"Es gibt die Wahrheit, mein Lieber! Aber die ,Lehre', die du begehrst [...], die gibt es nicht. Du sollst dich auch gar nicht nach einer vollkommenen Lehre sehnen, Freund, sondern nach Vervollkommnung deiner selbst."

- Herman Hesse, Das Glasperlenspiel

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On 7/5/2019 at 6:30 AM, kerk said:


During Kriya, as your attention gets more interiorized in the spine and the gaps between thoughts get longer, you may notice you are breathing very little, or you may realize that you don't really know whether you are inhaling or exhaling. This phenomenon is not limited to Kriya and can be experienced in other kinds of meditation too. In Kriya, as I understand it, this indicates correct stilling of prana.

 

This is my understanding of breathless state so far. Am open to the idea of suspension until more experiences. 

On 7/5/2019 at 6:30 AM, kerk said:

You might experience a kind of spinning sensation, but not dizziness or fainting. You might even forget which direction you are facing. In my fairly long experience, the spinning is safe and kind of fun if you let go into it. It has never indicated a hazard. Taking a deep breath at that point can actually rev up the spinning.
 

I am two months in so haven't experienced spinning from Kriya so far. Thanks for the advice will power through with a deep breath when I deal with it.


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Anyone has the name of the four books prescribed by SantataGautama at the end of "The Secret Power of Kriya Yoga" please? 

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@Milan

Who am I?

Beyond Shiva: The Absolute Truth

Tao Te Ching

Kriya Yoga - Synthesis of a Personal Experience

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It's been two and a half months since I started and here's what I do :

Nadi Shodana 12 rounds

Ujjayi 12 rounds 

Talabya 5 sets

Kriya bow

Om Japa 6 rounds

KP as suggested by Santata Gamana- 108 times.

Concentration 5 mins

After Kriya state 10 mins

 

But while Nadi Shodana I almost do it Ujjayi style so I can have longer durations. Is there any text which says it shouldn't be done like this or does any one here follow the same way too? 


Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.

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@herghly

I did but am taking a break from it as I started experiencing energy in my temples. Not too discomforting but at times it gets intense. I have also started to keep my jaws in contact consciously through out the day with my tongue raised. I don't know what the reason for the energy there but I thought ll take it slow.


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